Turn on ABC now!

[Marquis]

They're doing an episode of "Wife Swap" with two heavily implied D/s couples.

One couple has a very dominant wife and a very submissive husband, the other has a very dominant husband and a very submissive wife. The wives are swapping homes for a while, this should be good.

 

[Marquis]

Yo, this is honestly FASCINATING, I hope I'm not the only one watching this.

 

[Netzach]

sounds like hell on earth

 

[Chicklet]

if i had tv i'd turn it on, but alas...

 

[Marquis]

sounds like hell on earth

It's pretty unbelievable.

I wish I had some other perspectives on this.

Here's the most interesting thing that I see. It appears that the submissive woman takes a lot of pride in her role in the family, while the submissive guy basically feels like a loser. Both the dominants seem incredibly selfish, but the dominant man seems more open to compromise.

 

[callinectes]

Damn, I have only watched that show twice and both were really lame, though I have heard about episodes that sounded fantastic. I'd love to have see this one.

Here's the most interesting thing that I see. It appears that the submissive woman takes a lot of pride in her role in the family, while the submissive guy basically feels like a loser.

That's the manifestation of societal pressures. This may be 2006, but most people still expect men to behave like Ward Cleaver.

 

[serijules]

Damn I wish I hadn't missed that! I watch that show from time to time because it is so fucking hilarious...I can't believe some of the families on there. I think someone would have to be totally into humiliation to want on that show, honestly.

It IS neat to see how the people always see things they need to change at the end though, most of the time it seems the families do get a lot of good out of the swap. Would hope they get something out of giving ABC two weeks of their lives.

 

[Quint]

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[FurryFury]

I'm sorry I missed it. That show can be very interesting. There are several I wish I had seen but usually I miss it.

Fury

 

[Quint]

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[JMohegan]

Seriously, it made me think. The subbie husband's kids openly said they didn't respect him and they would try to pull shit to see if he was man enough to punish them. Whereas the Dom husband's son was bending over backwards to reconform his life to fit his dad's expectations at his own expense.

Makes me really buy into the alpha pack mentality.

My Dad was smart, strong, successful, courageous, hard-working, totally devoted to his family, and head of household in a pre-Women's Movement kind of a way.

Did I alter my behavior to fit his expectations? Hell yes! Why? Because I could see that he knew how to get what he wanted in life. I could see that he was successful in his job and his marriage and his friendships. And I wanted to learn how to be successful too.

The thought I couldn't quite formulate at the time...

...the sons' lives seemed so much more influenced by the role their father played than that of their mother. The dominant wife's sons didn't ever mention "our mom is so strong," etc, only that their dad was a pussy. The submissive wife's son never said he was waiting for his mom to grow a pair. They seemed totally ruled by their father's orientation. Would daughters have reacted the same way or would they have tried to emulate the "role" played by their mother? We might have had a totally different swap if that were the case.

Now I gotta go read up on some sociology.

Ever seen Rebel Without a Cause, the 1955 classic starring James Dean?

A boy looks to his father to teach him how to Be A Man. The Dean film is about the anger and frustration a boy feels when he perceives that dad needs to "grow a pair".

 

[Marquis]

I've been meaning to see that movie, thanks for mentioning it JM.

I noticed that too Quint, I guess we have a tendency to look up to the parent that shares our gender? I know that despite the fact that I spent very little time with my dad growing up, he has influenced me in a lot of important ways.

And for the record, I do believe the subby hubby needed an appreciation of being lazy. Being lazy is integral to being a dom in my world.

 

[myinnerslut]

am i understanding this right? they put the submissive wife with the submissive husbad, and the dominant wife with the dominant husband?

that sounds like a recipe for disaster

 

[JMohegan]

I've been meaning to see that movie, thanks for mentioning it JM.

Unfortunately, there have been so many teen angst films in its wake that the original itself seems cliché. But it is the original, and therefore worth seeing.

Being lazy is integral to being a dom in my world.

Ha, ha, mine too!

But instead of laziness, I usually talk about efficiency in the give & take. It sounds better, and is closer to reality as I see it.

 

[Netzach]

My Dad was smart, strong, successful, courageous, hard-working, totally devoted to his family, and head of household in a pre-Women's Movement kind of a way.


A boy looks to his father to teach him how to Be A Man. The Dean film is about the anger and frustration a boy feels when he perceives that dad needs to "grow a pair".

My dad was gone in the "since the beginning of time" way, but interestingly my mom lived with her mom and was totally and remains totally beholden to her mothers' passive aggressive ways. So I was always disgusted by how easily pushed around she was. Kind of interesting.

 

[FurryFury]

Though this one was, I honestly don't see why a submissive male would automatically have to be seen as lesser, without balls or unable to get what he wants out of life.

Fury

 

[Xelebes]

I missed it. Maybe it will be on youtube or something...

 

[Netzach]

Though this one was, I honestly don't see what a submissive male would automatically have to be seen as lesser, without balls or unable to get what he wants out of life.

Fury

Most sexually submissive men IME are quite the opposite. They are not remotely sub once they hard-on dissipates sometimes though, so really hardcore D/s people will often discount them. The guy in the show sounds like a garden variety pussy, not a msub but I need to sit through the thing before I make that call.

 

[JMohegan]

Though this one was, I honestly don't see what a submissive male would automatically have to be seen as lesser, without balls or unable to get what he wants out of life.

I did not watch the wife swapping show. (My TV basically exists in case there's another 9/11 or moon landing.)

But regardless of how the guy in the show is portrayed, the idea that submissives of *any* gender are all pathetic wimps, unable to get what they want out of life, is obviously preposterous.

My dad was gone in the "since the beginning of time" way, but interestingly my mom lived with her mom and was totally and remains totally beholden to her mothers' passive aggressive ways. So I was always disgusted by how easily pushed around she was. Kind of interesting.

Very interesting, yes.

My mother is a natural pleaser. The kind of woman who just seems to exist to make everyone around her feel happy and well taken care of. But nobody, *especially* not my father (though he wears the pants in the relationship) would describe her as a "garden variety pussy," or any synonym thereto.

Think grace and warmth and kindness.... with a backbone of solid steel.

 

[O'Mac]

They're doing an episode of "Wife Swap" with two heavily implied D/s couples.

One couple has a very dominant wife and a very submissive husband, the other has a very dominant husband and a very submissive wife. The wives are swapping homes for a while, this should be good.

Wife Swap?! Marquis watching Wife Swap?!

When did you become a divorced middle-aged mid-american housewife?

 

[Quint]

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[FurryFury]

I've seen plenty of guys without a backbone or who marry women and then let the woman make most if not all of the family or couple decisions. I can't say if any of them were submissive. I just tend to see them as schlubs. I don't understand them but hey, each to their own. I tend to see openly submissive men as having to have a backbone in order to go for what they want and swimming against societal pressures to do so.

Fury

 

[Rox_shybutcurious]

My father is a very mild mannered man and functions much better with somebody that can help give him a sense of direction and focus. I’ve never thought of him as being submissive though. Maybe because he had other sides of his character that were more prominent. i.e. he was always the one to be more openly affectionate and playful with us as kids. I always thought of it as being able to maintain some of the child within himself. Not exactly how my mother described it and in the end it did become a problem for them, although I’m sure there were a lot of other factors involved.

Rox.

 

[Xelebes]

My father was not particularily dominant or submissive but definitely was the enforcer and kept my mom from breaqking down emotionally or something. My mother was known to fret over a lot of stuff - not to say that she was overcome anxiety all the time. More of a harping fret.

 

[satindesire]

My dad was the head of the household, who worked full time and made most of the decisions.

My mom was a stay-at-home mom who raised me. (I'm an only child) She was not 'submissive' per say, as my parents acted as equals in every department other than out-of-home work, but I -do- strongly identify with a more 'traditional' family life picture in -my- head, where the man works and is the head of the household, and the woman raises children, cooks, cleans, etc.

I think it's pretty natural to formulate an ideal picture in your head compared to what you were raised with, right?