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[psyche]

Make that two towels. I'm thinking bathsheet size. Psyche, could I bring a litle film crew over, just for research purposes of course?

I love to soak the sheets, and since I don't live with him, I don't wash them. I can smell what he does to me when he visits me, my memories for the week that I'm away from him. God, the smell of me on his hands, on his fingers is intoxicating........I want to taste myself, I want to taste him. When I'm alone during the week I can smell the sheets and remember hot hot he makes me.......and how I cum for him.

 

[Don K Dyck]

And just a little <BUMP> for the newbies who want to learn how to REALLY enjoy themselves . . .

 

[Wizard]

Anyone have a clue where the cock milking thread went to? I did a seach and came up with nothing. If some finds it plase give it a bump.

 

[Missingmeds]

There you go Wizard...cock milking thread now on the front page.

 

[Wizard]

Thank you..........

 

[romeonline]

I'm very sorry guys but female ejaculation is simply diluted urine. This debate is over! It's been clearly demonstrated by Gary Scubach.

Read:

I became interested in the controversy about the source and cause of female ejaculation during the course of my doctoral studies. My doctoral research project was an exploratory experiment designed to provide information about some of the key issues in this controversy by collecting precise data during a medical procedure. The procedure I chose involved placing a Foley catheter through the urethra and into the bladder of seven women who reported that they regularly expelled fluid during sensual and/or sexual arousal. The purpose of the catheter was to effectively segregate the bladder from the urethra and collect vaginal expulsions in a controlled, medically supervised environment.
It was an interesting experiment that had been conceived previously by researchers but never actually performed. I was moved to do this research mainly because I was intrigued by the fact that it had never been done before and fortunately I was acquainted with women ejaculators who were potential and willing subjects. Following a considerable amount of time screening and preparing the applicants, I assembled and managed the necessary research team, including medical personnel, and we created a relaxed and comfortable environment that was conducive to the experiment.
After urine specimens were collected from each of the female subjects, they were aroused for a period of at least an hour in whatever manner was preferable to them before the actual insertion of the catheter. The stimulation choices that were utilized were manual self-stimulation, manual stimulation by a partner and/or use of a non-mechanical acrylic device known as a Crystal or G-Spot wand.
After the subjects indicated that they felt properly stimulated and ready for the ejaculatory demonstration part of the experiment, the catheter was inserted. Their bladders were drained and the collection bag was changed. The bag with the drained fluid was saved for later analysis (of levels of urea and creatinine, the two main ingredients of urine).

Then, with the catheter in place, the subjects were asked to resume their stimulation of choice and achieved what they (and the medical team) considered to be an ejaculatory orgasm. Any method that the woman preferred was acceptable, although intercourse was not possible, due to the presence of the catheter tube. The primary conclusion from the experiment was that, at least for these seven women, all knowledgeable and experienced ejaculators, the vast majority of the fluid expelled unquestionably came from their bladders. Even though their bladders were drained by the catheter, they still expelled from 50 ml to 900 ml of fluid post-drained through the tube and into the catheter bag, the only reasonable conclusion for which seemed to be that the liquid came from a combination of fluid from the walls of the bladder and from new kidney output.
We also noted a consistency of results between our study and the earlier studies that also showed a greatly reduced concentration of urea and creatinine (the primary components of urine). The clear inference was that the expelled fluid is an altered form of urine, meaning that there appears to be a process that goes on during sensual or sexual stimulation and excitement that effects the chemical composition of urine.

Conclusions

The evidence of this experiment is clear and groundbreaking that the vast majority of the fluid expelled by women during sexual arousal originates in the bladder. Furthermore, that fluid, which passes through the urethra, may be "deurinized" liquid from the bladder. Additionally, in some women and at some times, a small discharge may be added from the female equivalent of the prostate gland, medically known as Skene's glands and long thought to be dormant and no longer functional, and which may be neither.
It has not yet been proven for certain whether women can expel at least a small amount of fluid from their urethral (prostate) glands, during a very deep and intense orgasm, but I sense that it is very close to being proven. Past research has indicated that most women have urethral glands and ducts about a third the size of the prostate gland of the average man, so the amount of fluid that might be emitted would naturally be likely to be less.
In my study, having segregated the urethra from the bladder, we observed, at least for our seven subjects, that more than 95% of the fluid expelled during sexual arousal originated I n the bladder. However, that fluid contained an average of only 25% of the amounts of urea and creatinine found in the subjects' baseline urine samples. We theorized that it may lose the appearance and smell of urine due to the secretion of the hormone aldosterone during sensual/sexual arousal, causing the re-absorption of sodium and the excretion of potassium by the kidneys.15 Furthermore, I found research material indicating that an involuntary opening of the bladder sphincter can be triggered with stimulation of either the G Crest or the clitoris or both simultaneously."16

Moreover, on five occasions we observed a small milky discharge from the urethra which may mix in the urethra with the fluid from the bladder. So it is possible that the ejaculatory fluid originates not from either the bladder or the urethral glands, but from both.
For the scientific community to keep saying that the fluid originating in the bladder is solely the result of urinary stress incontinence is a vast oversimplification. The same muscles, nerves, sphincters and reflexes may be involved in female ejaculation as in urinary stress incontinence but this is not urination and we do not want to leave women nor their partners with the impression that they are inappropriately urinating during sexual arousal. It should also be noted that, at least in American culture, there are strong negative associations with urination and defecation even though urine, of course, is sterile and not all cultures have the same biases regarding it.
However, if female ejaculation is viewed as natural and pleasurable, then a woman can feel good about her body as well as all fluids that come out of it. She can then experience these expulsions during sexual arousal more positively than in a situation in which these expulsions are considered "dirty," or a malfunction of the bladder, urogenital system or any of its components.
Desmond Heath, a New York psychiatrist, offered an interesting hypothesis on the question of whether all women can ejaculate and, if so, why don't they? Basically, it is his premise that little girls often become excited in their lives and this may result in their dribbling a few drops of urine. He theorizes that this is probably followed by some form of displeasure by their parents or other adults, along with an admonition that this is bad and wrong, possibly accompanied by feelings of shame on the part of the child. Often punishment follows. Subsequently, women learn to keep their pubococcygeal muscles contracted and don't allow the pelvic floor to relax. Later on, when they become sexually active, it is natural that most women find it difficult to feel emotionally safe enough to allow themselves to become aroused sufficiently to ejaculate."17
For women, relaxation and emotional safety are crucial in order to become aroused and stimulated enough so that at orgasm they can ejaculate. At such moments a woman might expel voluminous amounts of fluid from a nearly empty bladder, the fluid having only a tinge of the odor, smell or appearance of normal urine. However, for this to happen to women naturally and normally, our society will have to abandon its puritanical ancestry and celebrate this event as a symbol of a woman fully enjoying bodily pleasure.

 

[Wizard]

What ever it is..... What ever you wish to call it.......My wife CAN and I LOVE it!! I find it erotic as hell and love it when she does. I love her to squirt all over me. I love every bit of her fuilds no matter what they wish to call it.

 

[herecomestherain]

De-urinized, chemically altered,

So it is possible that the ejaculatory fluid originates not from either the bladder or the urethral glands, but from both.

Not really diluted urine as such . My lovelies we need to put out creative hats on and think up something gorgeous to call this love juice!

I'm with Wizard, this is much sought after stuff at our place...had a funny moment this evening, early this afternoon the power went of to our house only to come back on 25 minutes later. Much later we were having a fine time working up a dozen G-Spot orgasms heading for the big wet one and yes whammo plunged into pitch darkness as we both reached that critical moment. Had us laughing like silly teenagers and groping around in the dark for the towel!

I'd encourage folks to read the work from Gary Schubach yourselves. He also has an interesting site that's worth a visit http://doctorg.com/index.htm

 

[Mr.G]

??? Sorry. Don't buy that.

"sorry guys but female ejaculation is simply diluted urine."

60% of people are called secreters - that is their pores LEAK blood. So is sweat just "diluted" blood or is it the other way around.

Anybody who has gone down on a girl after she's come back from having a pee knows what that smells/tastes like (no matter how well she wipes/cleans). No big deal for most guys but most of the fluid thereafter is obviously NOT urine.

When researchers drain the bladder and women still produce up to 900m/l how can they call it diluted urine. At what percentages do you call something diluted? If even some of the glands that produce the ejaculatory fluids in women are found along the urethra then yes...chemical anaylsis will find traces of urine but with an empty bladder and 900m/l of fluid exactly what percentage is the urine and what is other fluid?

I'm not a doctor or a research chemist but there seems to be glaring errors in this "research". One is that after the bladder was drained the Foley was re-inserted. If the ejaculatory fluid is coming from the glands along the walls of the urethra then bypassing the urethra and you aqre effectively "looking past" the area that would produce those fluids and concentrating again on the bladder itself. You might get some blow back caused by a blocked urethra but it will still not give an accurate account of what is happening between the bladder and the exit.

The study also states that even with the catheter back in place and the subjects orgasming the fluid is dramatically less "urine"(urea and creatinine) than urine even when sampled directly from the bladder. So the inference from this is that it is "altered urine"??? At precisely what percentage of dilution does one have to reach before it becomes somethinmg else and the properties of urine in the fluid are simply some left over contamination from the last time she had a whizz or the last time she was drained and the catheter dribbled a bit.

You claim a concrete conclusion only by this inference?

One thing I CAN tell you from personal research is that that fluid may contain a tiny % of urine - that's hardly surprising considering the plumbing . It may contain a tiny % of blood if she's a secreter. It may contain a tiny % of any other fluid you want to analyze. To claim a "conclusive" finding by claiming simple dilution is ridiculous.

I don't need a chemical analysis. I can tell you it's not urine. It is no more "just diluted urine" than explaining the existence of humans as concentrated bags of water. ANY person who has tasted this will tell you it isn't diluted anything. It is a very special mixture that doesn't taste ANYTHING like urine. Even diluted urine!!

Come on! From a common sense observation this sounds about as "conclusive" as sex researchers checking cadavers for evidence of GSpot Orgasms! (have you cum yet?)

The debate is far from over!!

 

[ReadyOne]

Would love to referee the paper. Let's get a print when it's published! It may read a bit different...

 

[Mysty61]

I say let the debate go on if necessary, but what difference does it make. I could care less what the fluid consists of. It is all about the wonderful orgasm(s) associated with this event. I doubt anyone who squirts is going to change their activity if it is 80%/20%, 20%/ 80%, or 50%/50% urine, and something else. Maybe we all have a pee fetish, but I doubt it. Our bodies produce fluids, this is one of them. What it consists of does not effect me one way or the other. If researchers feel it is necessary to get to the answer I wish them well, but I think thier time could be better spent teaching all femals how to achieve this experience. In the meantime if they need me I will be in the bedroom playing, having fun, and enjoying. Perhaps it would be better to start another thread for the debate, and let this thread continue to be an exchance of ideas, experiences, and learning so that everyone who is interested can widen their sexual horizons.

 

[Wizard]

Yep! Still Love it. I love to maker her squirt, watch her squrt and anything else.

All works for me.

 

[psyche]

I say let the debate go on if necessary, but what difference does it make. I could care less what the fluid consists of. It is all about the wonderful orgasm(s) associated with this event. I doubt anyone who squirts is going to change their activity if it is 80%/20%, 20%/ 80%, or 50%/50% urine, and something else. Maybe we all have a pee fetish, but I doubt it. Our bodies produce fluids, this is one of them. What it consists of does not effect me one way or the other. If researchers feel it is necessary to get to the answer I wish them well, but I think thier time could be better spent teaching all femals how to achieve this experience. In the meantime if they need me I will be in the bedroom playing, having fun, and enjoying. Perhaps it would be better to start another thread for the debate, and let this thread continue to be an exchance of ideas, experiences, and learning so that everyone who is interested can widen their sexual horizons.

You are so right. Imagine being so opened up by a man that you feel as if he has found your center, your liquid, hot center, buried inside of you for so long. He takes you into his arms, and from the moment he touches you, you don't belong to yourself, you are only his, you have no mind, you are only physical. You can do nothing but respond to his touch, you give yourself over to him completely, and he takes you like no one has ever taken you. When he's done, you can smell and taste yourself on his hands, and on his lips. Everything is soaking wet, the sheets, you and him......the bedroom reeks of sex.

When I'm on my knees, his cock buried in my mouth, his balls in my hand, my other hand on his ass............Mmmmmmmm........am I wondering what his cum is composed of.........am I wondering if there is some urine in it? NOT........LOL! I am focused on his hard cock, on the fact that he's so hot that he's going to shoot into my mouth, and on the pleasure that I'm able to give him.

 

[Mysty61]

You are so right. Imagine being so opened up by a man that you feel as if he has found your center, your liquid, hot center, buried inside of you for so long. He takes you into his arms, and from the moment he touches you, you don't belong to yourself, you are only his, you have no mind, you are only physical. You can do nothing but respond to his touch, you give yourself over to him completely, and he takes you like no one has ever taken you. When he's done, you can smell and taste yourself on his hands, and on his lips. Everything is soaking wet, the sheets, you and him......the bedroom reeks of sex.

When I'm on my knees, his cock buried in my mouth, his balls in my hand, my other hand on his ass............Mmmmmmmm........am I wondering what his cum is composed of.........am I wondering if there is some urine in it? NOT........LOL! I am focused on his hard cock, on the fact that he's so hot that he's going to shoot into my mouth, and on the pleasure that I'm able to give him.

Oh, goodness you got that right - what a description. I almost lost it reading your post. It is so realistic and so true, exactly as i see it happening to me - what a turn on.

 

[Mr.G]

UHUH!

and a bid DITTO from the other side of the gender gap.

Most of this "research" makes me laugh. They check DEAD chicks for functioning GSpots, the analyze fluids looking for enzyme and organic compound spikes on their Osillyscopes that might indicate the trace presence of PEE (horrors) and then make definitive conclusions based on the inferences of what they weren't able to actually find or identify.

DOIH!!

Screw THAT, fools! Next time you guys get some HUGE "research" grant why don't you try finding a WOMAN. Leave your freaking sterile labs (or coroner's basement) and find some horny wench who takes her pleasure seriously. Read (homework, guys) this thread front to back and then do some of that stuff. If your face isn't wet from ear to ear (along with your grin) you ain't doin it right!
If she hasn't cum at least a dozen times (NO EKG printout required to PROVE it either) you ain't doing it right. If you are worried that as you nuzzle her sweet quivering cunt there may be a molecule or two of PEE in her juice - the juice that is covering your hands, face, head, the sheets, your shoulders, the cat, her tummy and down her legs past her knees - then you are in need of a MAJOR attitude adjustment towards ex and making love!! Take the friggin electrodes out of your asses (not saying that can't be fun too) and ENJOY her body, her sounds, her moves and responses and her TASTE. I can promise you that pee - diluted or otherwise - is not what you're going to taste not that you should even care at that point.

And quit making definitive conclusions that say" We don't know WHAT it is or what it COULD be but it's coming out of her pee pee so it MUST be urine!"

 

[Duaner1955]

Re: UHUH!

Take the friggin electrodes out of your asses (not saying that can't be fun too) and ENJOY her body, her sounds, her moves and responses and her TASTE.


Ha ha ha...you got me rolling on the floor here. What a purrfect way to start my weekend... a big grin and a first rate objective to greet my honey when she walks in the door.

Sounds to me that all we need is a little incentive and we can "lick" this issue to a big conclusion. he he he

 

[herecomestherain]

The Big Wet and Monsoonal Sex...

Mysty61 if you are looking to be turned on I highly recommend reading all the posts made by the gorgeous Ms psyche, her writing is more erotic than two thirds of the stories on Lit.

As far as research goes I guess what I was trying to say a few posts back is if you are interested in research methods and results, it's worth seeking out the source documents, reading them carefully and then drawing your own conclusions. Worth checking who is actually writing the stuff and who funded their research. Research results like statistics can be selectively used. No pun intended, but information does tend to get diluted, distorted and misinterpreted in the re-telling.

If that all sounds like too much work, just lay back, let it flow and lap it up... and as always, get the towels out...

 

[psyche]

Re: The Big Wet and Monsoonal Sex...

Mysty61 if you are looking to be turned on I highly recommend reading all the posts made by the gorgeous Ms psyche, her writing is more erotic than two thirds of the stories on Lit.

As far as research goes I guess what I was trying to say a few posts back is if you are interested in research methods and results, it's worth seeking out the source documents, reading them carefully and then drawing your own conclusions. Worth checking who is actually writing the stuff and who funded their research. Research results like statistics can be selectively used. No pun intended, but information does tend to get diluted, distorted and misinterpreted in the re-telling.

If that all sounds like too much work, just lay back, let it flow and lap it up... and as always, get the towels out...

How sweet you are, rain! LOL! The real genius behind my explicit descriptions is my wonderful lover. My muse, my lover, and my mutual sexual adventurer.........a man I am proud to share my bed with...........but thanks!!!

And I agree with the fact that we should always be informed. Intellectuallizing outside of the bedroom, reading and gaining knowledge, and then letting go for all we are worth when we take it into the bedroom.

 

[romeonline]

I believe that the liquid build up originating in the bladder, produced by the kydneys in the presence of high concentration of aldosterone, is a plausible explanation.
I can't see how how the paraurethral gands could produce up to 900ml of fluid? Suppose they are 20, each of them would have to produce 45 ml! In addition, they would need to contract all at the same time in order to create a gush.
I understand you all hate rationality and science, but there's always an explanation to simple phenomenon.

So here's the deal: I'm asking a squirter to participate in a simple experiment. All I'm asking her is to cease all stimulation a few seconds before gushing. Then she can see if her bladder is full and empty it.
If the bladder is empty, then i'll have to say, Schubach explanation is false. The kydneys cannot produce 900 ml at once, it takes some time, at least a few minutes in the presence of aldosterone. That's why it's important to cease all stimulation right before orgasm.

Anyone interested in participating in this simple experiment?

 

[herecomestherain]

In the interests of research...

You may have difficulty finding anyone willing to stop stimulation just a few seconds before orgasm, the key to G-Spot orgasm is to actually persist with the stimulation to the extent where the pelvic floor is relaxed.

I don't have a problem with Scubach's research, from what I can see he's saying he believes the majority of the fliud originates in the bladder but is not urine. I still think it's a little about language a lack of terminology for the fluid.

Look guys don't think I haven't been wondering all this stuff myself. We undertook an unofficial experiment in this household last weekend, excuse me if I get graphic but it beats being obtuse, we're all friends here right?

We were in the middle of some pretty wonderful G-Spot stimulation during an extended lovemaking session, when we got to the "sheesh, it kinda feels like I need to pee" feeling I couldn't quite relax enough to go with it (I ususally can), I just stopped, got up,went and had a pee and returned, picked up where we left off, not more than 3 to 4 minutes later my partner and I were experience a very wet orgasm of the major ejaculation kind.
The fluid was entirely without odour, copious, colourless and thin, didn't get a chance to taste it.

Oh and by the way it was mind blowingly good!

A technique variation that folks might like to try if they are experimenting: man sits on couch, woman stands in front of him, one leg raised and resting on said couch, man stimulates woman with fingers, he has great access, very good visuals and freedom of hand movement. She has his undivided attention, vigorous stimulation in just the right places, a sense of her self as a sex goddess and she goes on to have a series of body shattering orgasms culminating in a very wet one. She falls forward exhausted and happy and wants only to worship her lover...

 

[Mr.G]

DUH!

""I understand you all hate rationality and science, but there's always an explanation to simple phenomenon.""

That's a ridiculous statement. What I hate is people announcing "conclusive evidence" and an "end to the debate" and then quote flawed data. Geez until early in the last century there was still debate going on between "researchers" and other "experts" as to whether women COULD orgasm!! Ask the women in this forum if they can cum or not. I've read lotsa data indicating that the GSpot does NOT exist..it CAN'T exist. Conclusive proof is provided. The frikkin CADAVERS they experimented on were what(?) ...unresponsive. YA fershure. End of that debate.

Conclusive, my ass!

I agree there is an explanation to this phenom. The head-up-their-own-arse researchers just haven't found it yet. Haven't come close IMHO!

I really doubt if your scam research of asking a squirter to step forward so you can attempt this will work. They are having too much fun with their lovers to prove anything to a person who a) doesn't belive in the first place and b) gets sucked in by an obviuosly flawed experiment's "conclusive" findings.

Ask their lovers if what they're getting squirted with is pee or something else. Point being : who cares. I know the vast majority of what is expelled is NOT pee. Doesn't look, smell or taste like pee. Does it maybe have a trace amount due to the fact that it comes from the urthra? Maybe. And....? So...?

Experiment yourself, Romeo. Find a girl (NOT a volunteer - too damn clinical) to make love to and do this. If she can squirt - GREAT. Taste it (little choice if you're doing it right) and you'll be thinking, "Damn..that G guy was right. This ain't pee at all."

Conculsive evidence awaits. Have a ball.

 

[psyche]

"I understand you all hate rationality and science" originally posted by romeonline........

I love rationality and I love science............but rationality and science don't belong in the bedroom. Making love and having sex is based on procedural knowledge, you should read about it, you should be educated about it as much as you can, gathering semantic information before going into the bedroom. But when you go into the bedroom you want to be able to turn your thoughts off and 'go with the flow' so to speak. It's a physical act of doing something that you shouldn't have to think about, and, in fact, if you are thinking too much, your performance will suffer whether you know it or not. I have been with technical, thinking lovers before, and believe me it's no treat. "Ok, I'm going to rub her clit with my finger, look up at her face to see if she's DONE yet........" What a complete difference is the man who touches me, licks me, fingers me, and what ever else comes naturally to him as he takes complete pleasure in my body and my responses to him. Getting lost in the pleasure of sex is the secret, completely turning off the mind and becoming a physical animal totally comsumed by giving and receiving pleasure.

You can't learn to drive a car by reading about it, you can't learn to ski by reading about it, reading ahead of taking those lessons is a good idea, but we learn by doing. Thinking can actually interfere with skiing, you have to let go and relax, free your mind of thoughts, free your mind of fear. As soon as you start thinking you're going down.......

 

[romeonline]

Mr G, I can't experiement with a lady, I'm gay!

 

[psyche]

Mr G, I can't experiement with a lady, I'm gay!

LOL! Well, I would have to guess that all factors indicate that this technique would not work on your lover then! Enjoy......

 

[romeonline]

LOL! this technique would not work on your lover then!

I don't have a lover, I've multiple partners as a matter of fact!