Trump's next coup has already begun

[phrodeau]

I'm just saying your own people, the DOJ, do not agree with you. The Democrat could not make it stick.

The real collusion as the Durham indictments demonstrate is that Hillary Clinton colluded, through Steele, with the Russians to influence the election, subvert and overthrow the presidency of Donald Trump by defrauding the FBI and the American people. That is the ego-deflating truth you will wake up everyday of the rest of your life.

The Durham indictments demonstrate that? Which ones, and exactly how do they demonstrate that?

 

[pecksniff]

The Durham indictments demonstrate that? Which ones, and exactly how do they demonstrate that?

Apparently there have only been two.

On September 16, 2021, Durham indicted Michael Sussmann, a partner for the law firm Perkins Coie, alleging he falsely told FBI general counsel James Baker during a September 2016 meeting that he was not representing a client for their discussion. Durham alleged Sussman was actually representing "a U.S. Technology Industry Executive, a U.S. Internet Company and the Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign." Sussmann focuses on privacy and cybersecurity law and had approached Baker to discuss what he and others believed to be suspicious communications between computer servers at the Russian Alfa-Bank and the Trump Organization. Sussmann had represented the Democratic National Committee regarding the Russian hacking of its computer network. Sussmann's attorneys have denied he was representing the Clinton campaign. Perkins Coie represented the Clinton presidential campaign, and one of its partners, Marc Elias, commissioned Fusion GPS to conduct opposition research on Trump, which led to the production of the Steele dossier. Sussmann, a former federal prosecutor, characterized the allegations against him as politically motivated and pleaded not guilty the day after his indictment.[58][59][33] As with the charge against Clinesmith, the charge against Sussmann was unrelated to the FBI investigation into links between Trump associates and Russian officials, which began in July 2016.

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On November 4, 2021, Russian national Igor Danchenko was arrested and indicted on allegations he made five false statements to the FBI. Danchenko was a major source for the Steele dossier which made controversial allegations about Trump and was used by the FBI to secure a surveillance warrant against former Trump campaign aide Carter Page after he had left the campaign. The Steele dossier was not used as a basis to open the FBI investigation into links between Trump associates and Russian officials.[34][64]

The indictment alleged Danchenko lied by saying he had not discussed the dossier with an unnamed U.S.-based public relations executive, identified by his attorney as Charles Dolan, Jr., a longtime political associate of Bill and Hillary Clinton. Durham alleged Danchenko used Dolan as a source for the dossier, though Dolan's attorney said he was a witness in the case. The indictment suggested, though did not directly assert, that Dolan may have been a source of the dossier allegation that a video existed of Trump having a liaison with prostitutes in a Moscow hotel. The indictment noted that Dolan was given a tour of that hotel in June 2016, including the presidential suite Trump stayed in during the alleged 2013 encounter.[65] The Washington Post reported soon after Danchenko's indictment that Dolan had worked in public relations for Russia for eight years ending 2014. After the Steele dossier was publicly released by Buzzfeed News in January 2017, Dolan emailed a Russian client, whose web server company was later implicated in the Democratic National Committee cyber attacks, stating, "I’m hoping that this is exposed as fake news. I may be wrong but I have doubts about the authenticity."[66]

Danchenko pleaded not guilty to the charges and a trial was scheduled for April 2022.[67]

Neither of which proves or even suggests that "Hillary Clinton colluded, through Steele, with the Russians to influence the election, subvert and overthrow the presidency of Donald Trump by defrauding the FBI and the American people." We all know how the Russians influenced the election, and it was not on Hillary's side.

 

[jomar]

Deep State Democrat propaganda source,

^^^^^ Wears a tin foil hat

Starting a new narrative, their last was the Russian Collusion and Ukraine phone call bullshit.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[BidudeinWi]

From The Atlantic.



Hasen, BTW, is an elections lawyer and the author of The Voting Wars: From Florida 2000 to the Next Election Meltdown (2013) and Election Meltdown: Dirty Tricks, Distrust, and the Threat to American Democracy (2000). Based on his bio, he is not any kind of partisan.

From the “Atlantic?????” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Oh THAT’S RICH, and more FAKE NEWS!

 

[Rightguide]

^^^^^ Wears a tin foil hat



Whatever helps you sleep at night.

^^^
Wears a face diaper to match his other diaper.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

The only coup we've had involved Hillary, the FBI, the DOJ and a cabal of Deep-State hangers-on who tried to use fraud to weaken and oust a sitting President.

 

[pecksniff]

The only coup we've had involved Hillary, the FBI, the DOJ and a cabal of Deep-State hangers-on who tried to use fraud to weaken and oust a sitting President.

Oust? He finished his term, didn't he? And nothing ever "weakened" him but politics by ordinary means.

And what's this Deep State bullshit? You know there's no such thing -- and if there were, it wouldn't favor the Dems, it would favor the Pubs as being a more reliable support for the plutocracy.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Will there be pie? I won't participate in a coup if there's no pie.

Where did we land on this issue?

 

[pecksniff]

Where did we land on this issue?

In an endless fight over Mom's apple pie vs. Georgia peach pie.

 

[JohnnySavage]

My mom can't cook, but I'd not say no to an apple pie.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Oust? He finished his term, didn't he? And nothing ever "weakened" him but politics by ordinary means.

And what's this Deep State bullshit? You know there's no such thing -- and if there were, it wouldn't favor the Dems, it would favor the Pubs as being a more reliable support for the plutocracy.

Trump managed to finish his term, but it wsn't for a lack of trying o remove him on the part of countless people and organizations, many of them part of the apparat, aka Deep State. Yes, it exists, and yes, it makes democracy a sad joke.

 

[pecksniff]

Trump managed to finish his term, but it wsn't for a lack of trying o remove him on the part of countless people and organizations, many of them part of the apparat, aka Deep State. Yes, it exists, and yes, it makes democracy a sad joke.

Is there any difference between this "Deep State" and the federal civil service?

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Is there any difference between this "Deep State" and the federal civil service?

Sure there is. One comes to work, does its job and goes home. The other forms policy that sets itself against elected authority and enforces that policy through disobedience, malicious compliance and other bad-aith means.

 

[pecksniff]

Sure there is. One comes to work, does its job and goes home. The other forms policy that sets itself against elected authority and enforces that policy through disobedience, malicious compliance and other bad-aith means.

Then there is no Deep State. The latter part of your description is nonexistent, except to the extent any civil servant has to do some of those things to do his job at all -- e.g., if you're going to follow your department's legislated mission statement, then you can't go a week without setting yourself against elected authority. As Trump found out, and as he appears never to have understood before he took office, we neither have nor ever intended to have a system where the whole federal bureaucracy is simply the president's to command.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Then there is no Deep State. The latter part of your description is nonexistent, except to the extent any civil servant has to do some of those things to do his job at all -- e.g., if you're going to follow your department's legislated mission statement, then you can't go a week without setting yourself against elected authority.

We saw the Deep State in flower with the Russia Hoax. There never was a single thing that they had, but the tight little cabal in the FBI and Justice kept all of the "invstigations" unto itself lest someone point out there was no there there. And they managed to use the FISA Court, FBI, DOJ to assail the President for two whole years.

 

[pecksniff]

We saw the Deep State in flower with the Russia Hoax. There never was a single thing that they had, but the tight little cabal in the FBI and Justice kept all of the "invstigations" unto itself lest someone point out there was no there there. And they managed to use the FISA Court, FBI, DOJ to assail the President for two whole years.

It was no hoax and you know it. The Trump campaign did collude with the Russians, and they did interfere in the 2016 election on Trump's side. The only open question is how much Trump himself knew (or understood) about it at the time. He has well-documented ties (from his real-estate days) to the Russian Mafiya, not necessarily to the government.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

It was no hoax and you know it. The Trump campaign did collude with the Russians, and they did interfere in the 2016 election on Trump's side. The only open question is how much Trump himself knew (or understood) about it at the time. He has well-documented ties (from his real-estate days) to the Russian Mafiya, not necessarily to the government.

you know that to be a lie because we spent tns of millions showing it was a lie.

It was all based on the Steele dossier, a complete forgery churned out by the Clinton campaign. The FBI knew this very early on and still pursued all of its investigations.

Deep. State.

 

[phrodeau]

you know that to be a lie because we spent tns of millions showing it was a lie.

It was all based on the Steele dossier, a complete forgery churned out by the Clinton campaign. The FBI knew this very early on and still pursued all of its investigations.

Deep. State.

For extra credit, please list five people who currently belong to the Deep State.

 

[pecksniff]

It was all based on the Steele dossier, a complete forgery churned out by the Clinton campaign.

There might be some unsubstantiated allegations in it, but it is no forgery.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

There might be some unsubstantiated allegations in it, but it is no forgery.

It was all bullshit coughed up by the Hillary campaign. Every fucking word. Comey knew it, McCabe knew it. Strzok knew it. Ohr knew it. Brennan knew it. And they all said nothing and lied to a FISA court so they could spy on Carter Page and, by extension, the Trump campaign.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

For extra credit, please list five people who currently belong to the Deep State.

Let's start with the "Fifty Former Intelligence Officials" who swore up and down Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation, thus torching any credibility theymight have ever had.

 

[pecksniff]

It was all bullshit coughed up by the Hillary campaign. Every fucking word. Comey knew it, McCabe knew it. Strzok knew it. Ohr knew it. Brennan knew it. And they all said nothing and lied to a FISA court so they could spy on Carter Page and, by extension, the Trump campaign.

I see no support for any of that here.

Some aspects of the dossier have been corroborated,[29][23] in particular what Newsweek calls its "main finding",[30] confirmed by the January 6, 2017, Office of the Director of National Intelligence assessment,[31][30] that Putin and Russia actively favored Trump over Clinton[23] and that many Trump campaign officials and associates had multiple secret contacts with Russians.[32][33]

 

[phrodeau]

Let's start with the "Fifty Former Intelligence Officials" who swore up and down Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation, thus torching any credibility theymight have ever had.

If they’re former officials, they don’t currently belong to the Deep State, now do they?

 

[Champakian]

Is every election then a coup?


Is Trump still in office?


Sum y'all nuts...

 

[Champakian]

If they’re former officials, they don’t currently belong to the Deep State, now do they?

The press isn't elected either...