Trump vs Universities

He’s not attempting to zeize control of a private institution

He absolutely is. The demands of the Trump administration include federal government control of everything from hiring to the content of classes.

The illegal attacks by the administration (removal of tax exempt status, removing the ability to enroll foreign students) have one goal: to force Harvard to accept government control of the university.
 
" if you choose to protest instead of studying " - your words, not mine. Are you conflating protesting with violence?
Peaceful protest is free speech. What’s happening on campuses in some cases is peaceful protest and some is destructive and violent. AntiSemitism is a hateful ideology and doesn’t belong in our country. If you’re a student at one of these institutions of higher learning it doesn’t give you the right to infringe on other students rights. Foreign academic visas are a privilege, bad behavior warrants visas being revoked. Many protesters on campus aren’t associated with the university as identified by the arrest data. The college refuses to abide by their own codes of conduct, that’s bullshit. What should happen, and may happen, is a class action suit against these universities by the parents for poor performance.
 
He absolutely is. The demands of the Trump administration include federal government control of everything from hiring to the content of classes.

The illegal attacks by the administration (removal of tax exempt status, removing the ability to enroll foreign students) have one goal: to force Harvard to accept government control of the university.
To an extent yes, because apparently the university is incapable of governing itself. This antSemetic movement is being propagated by Hamas sympathizers and is leeching onto Main Street as evidenced by the murder of a beautiful Jewish couple promoting peace.
 
Peaceful protest is free speech. What’s happening on campuses in some cases is peaceful protest and some is destructive and violent. AntiSemitism is a hateful ideology and doesn’t belong in our country. If you’re a student at one of these institutions of higher learning it doesn’t give you the right to infringe on other students rights. Foreign academic visas are a privilege, bad behavior warrants visas being revoked. Many protesters on campus aren’t associated with the university as identified by the arrest data. The college refuses to abide by their own codes of conduct, that’s bullshit. What should happen, and may happen, is a class action suit against these universities by the parents for poor performance.
You would never fight this hard against racism.
 
Unlike Biden, Trump has the courage to protect all people, fight the good fight and stomp out antisemitism.
Um, yeah, he's done a fantastic job of protecting trans people and Latinos, just for starters. Just how deep is your denial anyway?
 
Um, yeah, he's done a fantastic job of protecting trans people and Latinos, just for starters. Just how deep is your denial anyway?
I’m discussing universities in chaos and you change the subject to trans. My denial is not nearly as deep as your delusions.
 
Hi! It's been a while since I stuck my unwanted oar in on the Politics section, but I was curious to see if The Hate was still there. Chaddius been in? This thread seems like a cert for him and his detractors too.

Yours awaiting a torrent of abuse,

(well, why should I be left out?)
 
I’m discussing universities in chaos
That may well be what you meant, but it's not what you said:

Unlike Biden, Trump has the courage to protect all people, fight the good fight and stomp out antisemitism.
You said all people, Icanthelpit. Not all university students, all people. Besides, even if we were talking about university students only, how is destroying DEI programs and fomenting transphobia and Islamophobia "protecting all people". Don't worry, we know the answer, you meant "all people I don't hate".
 
That may well be what you meant, but it's not what you said:


You said all people, Icanthelpit. Not all university students, all people. Besides, even if we were talking about university students only, how is destroying DEI programs and fomenting transphobia and Islamophobia "protecting all people". Don't worry, we know the answer, you meant "all people I don't hate".
Only ignorant SFB's believe that.
 
It’s not surprising that MAGA sheep completely support the federal government’s attempt to seize control of a private university. MAGA sheep love authoritarianism.
  • Seize control of institutions
  • Arrest people for free speech
Straight out of the fascist playbook. Much more too …

  • Create an enemies list (Bruce Springsteen and Taylor Swift say hi)
  • Demonize the press (the truth is ‘fake news’)
  • Make big lies (Donnie’s specialty, stolen election etc)
  • Weaponize religious ideology (‘investigate anti-Christian bias’)
  • Delegitimize the judiciary (the administration attacks judges frequently)
  • Destroy the rule of law (ignore court orders)
  • Politicize the civil service (fired federal employees to replace with MAGA zealots)
  • Demonize minorities (Hispanics and Trans)
 
That may well be what you meant, but it's not what you said:


You said all people, Icanthelpit. Not all university students, all people. Besides, even if we were talking about university students only, how is destroying DEI programs and fomenting transphobia and Islamophobia "protecting all people". Don't worry, we know the answer, you meant "all people I don't hate".
Trump is the president for all people is correct but since I was discussing college campuses I made the mistake of assuming you could follow the spirit of the conversation and connect the dots without having to explain every detail over and over again.

What has Trump done to trans? What has Trump done to Islam. He just had a successful tour of Islamic countries. Your problem is TDS on steroids.

DEI is racist.

Not wanting trans women (men) in women’s sports is not transphobia, it’s applying fairness and protections for women, follow the science and the law.
 
Peaceful protest is free speech. What’s happening on campuses in some cases is peaceful protest and some is destructive and violent. AntiSemitism is a hateful ideology and doesn’t belong in our country. If you’re a student at one of these institutions of higher learning it doesn’t give you the right to infringe on other students rights. Foreign academic visas are a privilege, bad behavior warrants visas being revoked. Many protesters on campus aren’t associated with the university as identified by the arrest data. The college refuses to abide by their own codes of conduct, that’s bullshit. What should happen, and may happen, is a class action suit against these universities by the parents for poor performance.
Wait a min - that is far cry from your original premise of "if you choose to protest instead of studying." Of course, when you add the qualifiers the underlying first amendment protection doesn't apply. Much like the classic analogy of "shouting fire in a crowded theater" doesn't accord you first amendment protection.

I am all for peaceful protest, but to curb all protest or punish everyone for guilt of association is neither constitutional nor a good application of law. Can the administration still be assholes about it when it tries to punish Harvard? Sure. But I am (not) surprised by the right/MAGA assertion of antisemitism when the crime is committed by a few. Much like this instance - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/09/trump-tufts-student-deportation-rumeysa-ozturk. All she did was write an oped!
 
Wait a min - that is far cry from your original premise of "if you choose to protest instead of studying." Of course, when you add the qualifiers the underlying first amendment protection doesn't apply. Much like the classic analogy of "shouting fire in a crowded theater" doesn't accord you first amendment protection.

I am all for peaceful protest, but to curb all protest or punish everyone for guilt of association is neither constitutional nor a good application of law. Can the administration still be assholes about it when it tries to punish Harvard? Sure. But I am (not) surprised by the right/MAGA assertion of antisemitism when the crime is committed by a few. Much like this instance - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/09/trump-tufts-student-deportation-rumeysa-ozturk. All she did was write an oped!
Universities aren’t responsible for how students manage their time, they’re considered adults.

Curbing all protests is not the issue. Harvard has lost control over their campus. These protest are, in many cases, fueled by outside influences and groups who don’t belong on campus. The problem is Harvard is not controlling who is on their campus and who is inciting violence, intimidation and spewing antisemitic and anti-Zionist propaganda. Civil rights and hate speech violations should be prosecuted. Taking over libraries or blocking access to any sections on campus should be a concern for Harvard faculty and administrators. Most Americans want to put an end to these protest. If a student is on an academic visa and is inciting violence, spewing hateful rhetoric, revoke their visas and deport them. If Americans pulled this shit in other countries they’d be thrown out on their asses.
 
It’s one thing to point out the incompetency of a president, or to recognize a cognitive decline in a president or to even point out corruption but to call a president an Orange Pig says a lot about you.

It’s appears that you and your posse believe Harvard is operating within its own bi-laws. That students are receiving a quality education, that all students are treated equally and respectfully. It appears to me that you believe it’s OK for foreigners who attend our schools because mommy and daddy have more money than God and that it gives them the right to cause disruptions and spew hateful rhetoric. It appears you and your posse can’t tell the difference between hateful rhetoric and free speech.

When I attended college, if you pulled that shit you were thrown out on your ass. Professors gave you one chance at finals, if you choose to protest instead of studying and YOU FAILED THE COURSE, tough shit, you were let go for academic failure.

He’s not attempting to zeize control of a private institution, but even private institutions have to follow their bi-laws and provide a quality education in a safe environment.. A true leader’s responsibility is to all people. We the people are not obligated to fund a failing institution. Withdrawing taxpayer money is well within the purview of the federal government. Civil rights violations and hateful violent rhetoric is not protected within the confines of any organization and is prosecutable. The state department has the authority to to rescind foreign visas if the institution can’t control its students and its evident that foreign students are disrupting academic progress to promote an ideology of hatred.
I would refute your ridiculous assertions with context and facts, but it would be lost on you and you’d simply disappear yet again when confronted with said truths.
 
“Remedial Math”??
Prep for Calc?? Yeah.., that’s “2+2”
Trust a liar to lie!!
If you can’t change sinθ to a cosine you won’t do well in calculus
Can Trump do that ??
It’s essentially “2+2” but for Trig

So? The President can’t be sued. Got that. It’s an Official Statement, by a Genius.
Harvard should sue the Executie Branch! As part of discovery? Let’s see his grades and test scores as he demeans OUR NATION’s brightest… and the SATs… Etc
 
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I would refute your ridiculous assertions with context and facts, but it would be lost on you and you’d simply disappear yet again when confronted with said truths.
Refute away!!! Let me put it this way, if you were Jewish would you feel safe and comfortable on Harvard's campus especially since the murders of two beautiful Jewish kids?
 
Refute away!!! Let me put it this way, if you were Jewish would you feel safe and comfortable on Harvard's campus especially since the murders of two beautiful Jewish kids?
You would never defend against racism this hard.
 
Refute away!!!
It has become wasted effort with you at this point. No worries, though.

Let me put it this way, if you were Jewish would you feel safe and comfortable on Harvard's campus especially since the murders of two beautiful Jewish kids?
Maybe, maybe not. Point is, the trump dictatorship shouldn’t get involved, let the university deal with it.
 
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