Trump and the dead hope for a free world

[Northernlands]

Let me just say, Im not from USA so this isn't me being a partisan hack or a leftist pundit. Im living in a small town on another side of the world. I think we can all agree that the world is filled with bad people seeking power. We have Putin and Xi on top of 2 of the worlds 3 superpowers. Many of the top people in other power nations are equally bad men. The world is run my assholes.

It might have been naive but I grew up looking to USA as the hope for democracy, for freedom of speech, heck for freedom at all. Now, I was perfectly aware of many of USA:s wrong doings and fault. You guys might not have had the perfect system, nor the perfect leaders, but atleast people has a voice. I've seen USA an example for lesser nations to envy and follow. A democracy for nations to aspire to.

Today I look at USA and I'm mostly disgusted. Whatever pipedream of bipartisanship there was is completely gone. The ability to agree on issues seems to be nonexistent. And worst of all, half of the entire country is willing to support Trump. I cannot fathom how someone with the freedom of choice would ever in their wildest mind support Trump. I get people supporting Xi, or Putin, because those people really have no choice. But for Americans to support a person like Trump, its killing my soul and my hope for the future of the world.

There has never before been a person in American politics so morally corrupt, so selfishly driven, so clearly narcissistic and self serving. I totally get why he became President the first time. It was an outcry against the status quo, an outcry against an unfair system where the rich get richer while common folk keeps struggling. I get the first precidency. But why now. I can understand why a person wouldn't want to vote democrat, but why Trump over literally anyone else?

There is no person more a-moral, more ungodly, more despicable. He can't tell a single sentence, ever, without lying. He is the worst human being in politics. So why chose him? Are you yourself also devoid of conscience?

The republican party used to claim to be about family values, about responsability, about godliness, about freedom and the rule of law and most of all about the constitution. Trump is on every single count, the worst representative for those values. So if you are a Republican and a Trump first guy. Why him? Please articulate to me. Please help me understand. I'm depressed thinking of the fact that 50% of the population supports this vile man to be in charge of the most important democracy in the world

 

[ll74]

Let me just say, Im not from USA so this isn't me being a partisan hack or a leftist pundit. Im living in a small town on another side of the world. I think we can all agree that the world is filled with bad people seeking power. We have Putin and Xi on top of 2 of the worlds 3 superpowers. Many of the top people in other power nations are equally bad men. The world is run my assholes.

It might have been naive but I grew up looking to USA as the hope for democracy, for freedom of speech, heck for freedom at all. Now, I was perfectly aware of many of USA:s wrong doings and fault. You guys might not have had the perfect system, nor the perfect leaders, but atleast people has a voice. I've seen USA an example for lesser nations to envy and follow. A democracy for nations to aspire to.

Today I look at USA and I'm mostly disgusted. Whatever pipedream of bipartisanship there was is completely gone. The ability to agree on issues seems to be nonexistent. And worst of all, half of the entire country is willing to support Trump. I cannot fathom how someone with the freedom of choice would ever in their wildest mind support Trump. I get people supporting Xi, or Putin, because those people really have no choice. But for Americans to support a person like Trump, its killing my soul and my hope for the future of the world.

There has never before been a person in American politics so morally corrupt, so selfishly driven, so clearly narcissistic and self serving. I totally get why he became President the first time. It was an outcry against the status quo, an outcry against an unfair system where the rich get richer while common folk keeps struggling. I get the first precidency. But why now. I can understand why a person wouldn't want to vote democrat, but why Trump over literally anyone else?

There is no person more a-moral, more ungodly, more despicable. He can't tell a single sentence, ever, without lying. He is the worst human being in politics. So why chose him? Are you yourself also devoid of conscience?

The republican party used to claim to be about family values, about responsability, about godliness, about freedom and the rule of law and most of all about the constitution. Trump is on every single count, the worst representative for those values. So if you are a Republican and a Trump first guy. Why him? Please articulate to me. Please help me understand. I'm depressed thinking of the fact that 50% of the population supports this vile man to be in charge of the most important democracy in the world

This thread seems suspect.

But here's the truth - politics are not front and center in American lives. And with the ability to find shit that agrees with you on the internet, bias is easy to find and stay with comfort in.

That being said, Trump has every right under the Constitution to run for office. He has not been proven in our court system of any crime. Politics are not based on facts, but opinions of the public.

 

[Escierto]

You are leaving out a crucial fact. The Republican Party stands for white supremacy. Many, maybe most, white people in the US are racists. Trump is a racist white supremacist and the whites who vote for him know exactly what they are doing. Trump will win in 2024 and that’s it for the US - it will be a white Christian fascist dictatorship. Sieg heil!

 

[Northernlands]

You are leaving out a crucial fact. The Republican Party stands for white supremacy. Many, maybe most, white people in the US are racists. Trump is a racist white supremacist and the whites who vote for him know exactly what they are doing. Trump will win in 2024 and that’s it for the US - it will be a white Christian fascist dictatorship. Sieg heil!

I would doubt that republican voters in general consider themselves a racist even if I'm sure this is true for some. Its a weak explaination

This thread seems suspect.

But here's the truth - politics are not front and center in American lives. And with the ability to find shit that agrees with you on the internet, bias is easy to find and stay with comfort in.

That being said, Trump has every right under the Constitution to run for office. He has not been proven in our court system of any crime. Politics are not based on facts, but opinions of the public.

Doesnt begin to answer my question of why Trump

 

[ll74]

Doesnt begin to answer my question of why Trump

It does. You seem to want an easy answer....if that's what you want, you'll never get it

 

[Escierto]

I would doubt that republican voters in general consider themselves a racist even if I'm sure this is true for some. Its a weak explaination

Doesnt begin to answer my question of why Trump

You don’t live here, dude. You have no idea what a nutty religious country America is. It’s like fucking Afghanistan except it’s the Christian Taliban.

It doesn’t matter whether they consider themselves racist - what matters is they ARE racists. Everything the Republican Party does is based on supporting white supremacy. Nothing else matters. They stand for nothing else except that.

You say it’s a weak explanation but it’s the only one that explains why white Christians embrace a man who is anything but Christian. They love him because he will do anything to keep America a white Christian nation. That is ALL that matters.

 

[Escierto]

Let me tell you a story that may explain things.

When I came to Texas 30 years ago, it was 75% white. Blacks and Latinos were a relatively small minority. There was no danger to white supremacy because whites were a large majority. The Democrats actually controlled the Legislature and the governorship.

In the following 30 years the white majority has shrunk until now they are less than 50% of the population. They no longer feel in control and they worry the state is being taken over by blacks and Latinos. In order to prevent this they have gerrymandered the electoral districts so that blacks and Latinos are grouped together in a few districts leaving the rest to be controlled by whites. The state is now controlled by Republicans who are elected almost completely by the white minority.

All that matters to the white people of Texas is holding onto power and preventing the majority from taking control. This is the Republican agenda.

A similar dynamic is at work in Florida and with those two states the Republicans have a lock on national elections if they can get a few swing states to go their way. Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are key to this strategy because they are some of the whitest states in the country.

 

[Northernlands]

You don’t live here, dude. You have no idea what a nutty religious country America is. It’s like fucking Afghanistan except it’s the Christian Taliban.

It doesn’t matter whether they consider themselves racist - what matters is they ARE racists. Everything the Republican Party does is based on supporting white supremacy. Nothing else matters. They stand for nothing else except that.

You say it’s a weak explanation but it’s the only one that explains why white Christians embrace a man who is anything but Christian. They love him because he will do anything to keep America a white Christian nation. That is ALL that matters.

Trump is ungodly, a-religous and everything opposite of Christian values. Is he the only republican that wants to keep america a Christian nation? I hear you but it seems insane. We have a right-wing racist element in my country too. Similar concerns want to keep the nation white. It's leader is charismatic and unafraid to say the racist things that their clique wants to hear. Such as lets start razing mosques. But apart from the obvious racism he has alot of likable qualities. I don't see any likeable qualities in Trump. Every quality is disgusting

 

[Northernlands]

Let me tell you a story that may explain things.

When I came to Texas 30 years ago, it was 75% white. Blacks and Latinos were a relatively small minority. There was no danger to white supremacy because whites were a large majority. The Democrats actually controlled the Legislature and the governorship.

In the following 30 years the white majority has shrunk until now they are less than 50% of the population. They no longer feel in control and they worry the state is being taken over by blacks and Latinos. In order to prevent this they have gerrymandered the electoral districts so that blacks and Latinos are grouped together in a few districts leaving the rest to be controlled by whites. The state is now controlled by Republicans who are elected almost completely by the white minority.

All that matters to the white people of Texas is holding onto power and preventing the majority from taking control. This is the Republican agenda.

A similar dynamic is at work in Florida and with those two states the Republicans have a lock on national elections if they can get a few swing states to go their way. Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are key to this strategy because they are some of the whitest states in the country.

Appreciate you taking the time to expand on it I've seen some of the gerrymandering maps and I can see the insanity, I can understand some the powers at work. I'm just so...curious... so the Trump voters believes he is the best shot at that becoming reality?

 

[Northernlands]

I realize you guys are probably right... I guess I just wanted to hear some Trumpists explain their reasoning themselves... but I guess that not something they can do without stating the obvious

 

[cermin]

Sweden? Instead of worrying bout the US

Worry about the Muslims taking over

The proliferation of Rapes of your women by them

Or is that just a RW Talking Point?

 

[cermin]

I suspect you are one of those

That are in complete denial

A hater of your country and culture and so tolerant

You will condone the collapse of both

While screaming

TRUMP

 

[Northernlands]

I suspect you are one of those

That are in complete denial

A hater of your country and culture and so tolerant

You will condone the collapse of both

While screaming

TRUMP

What is basis of those assumptions? Where is my stated position on anything related to Sweden?

I'm happy to talk about my own country in another thread. Why are you afraid of answering my question? Why aren't you able to touch the subject and defend your chosen leader? Are you not capable of defending your position in argument?

 

[cermin]

What is basis of those assumptions?

Its obvious

 

[Northernlands]

Its obvious

You can challenge me on any of my positions when you are able to articulate your own.

 

[cermin]

I could care less

You are who and what I said you are

ITS OBVIOUS

 

[Northernlands]

I could care less

You are who and what I said you are

ITS OBVIOUS

Looking at your post history, I find little evidence to support the notion that you have the capability to discern the truth of anything. Good day sir.

 

[cermin]

I could care less

You are who and what I said you are

ITS OBVIOUS

 

[jomar]

The USA 1950s golden age slid and things weren’t as easy breezy economically. Blacks got equal rights. A festering anger of frustration simmered among many whites in the country. A black man was elected president. Beltway politics we’re same ‘ol’, same ’ol. Then along came a grifter who told the angry and uneducated what they wanted to hear. He validated their rascism and encouraged their anger and incivility. He surprisingly won the nomination and ran against a candidate who was more than qualified to be president. The uncouth lying grifter lost the popular vote by millions, but it’s the electoral college that counts and he won by that method by a slim margin to become the 45th president of the United States. Should the grifter somehow become president again, democracy as we currently know it will most likely be over under his authoritarian rule.

 

[Northernlands]

The USA 1950s golden age slid and things weren’t as easy breezy economically. Blacks got equal rights. A festering anger of frustration simmered among many whites in the country. A black man was elected president. Beltway politics we’re same ‘ol’, same ’ol. Then along came a grifter who told the angry and uneducated what they wanted to hear. He validated their rascism and encouraged their anger and incivility. He surprisingly won the nomination and ran against a candidate who was more than qualified to be president. The uncouth lying grifter lost the popular vote by millions, but it’s the electoral college that counts and he won by that method by a slim margin to become the 45th president of the United States. Should the grifter somehow become president again, democracy as we currently know it will most likely be over under his authoritarian rule.

Isn't that terrifying?

 

[jomar]

Isn't that terrifying?

Yes.

 

[Chernosoth]

I will answer as someone who voted for Trump but plans to vote for someone else next year.

Christianity is a strange and deeply perverted religion, with praying to a cross, a symbol of torture and murder, and plenty more perversion that could fill a rant. Playing along with that crap is part of the cost of being a politician here. In the US and Europe, most people who claim to be nonreligious or atheist still have religious belief in progress, an unstoppable movement towards an always better future, which is Christianity's heaven without the religious label, and much of that is even more perverted as progress doesn't happen, life gets worse, and people become desperate to sustain their beliefs.

Economically, the US is half a century past its prime. Living standards have been declining since the early 1970s. Half a century ago, a single income family with just high school education could have a manufacturing job. That was enough to pay for a house, a car, and raising the kids. Now, such a family would be homeless. Corporations moving their manufacturing out of the US kept prices low for people who still had money, so the unemployed were ignored. And then we have illegal immigrants being brought in to be exploited for illegally low wages and take more of the fewer jobs left. The economy is where Trump got most of his votes. He made some real achievements towards bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US, in trade and tariff negotiations. In reducing illegal immigration, he made one step forward, followed by the next president's two steps back.

And war. Most Americans don't want it. They don't want to be in it or see their relatives come back from it dead or missing limbs. Trump dialed down the reckless use of soldiers as cannon fodder.

Trump made various other less noticed improvements, such as moving the Bureau of Land Management HQ to Colorado, closer to the land it manages. Decentralizing bureaucracy is necessary and very long overdue. The next administration repealed that decision and moved the HQ back to Washington DC.

Why I don't plan to vote for him again: He will be far too old for the job. In the last year of his term, he was already losing steam and becoming just another political hack, doing what the bureaucracy wants, not what he campaigned on or voters want. But I don't expect him to get the nomination. The colossal mistake that I expect will sink him next year during the primaries is pushing the approval of covid vaccines without adequate testing. That takes years and he pushed them through in months. As the vaccines kill more people and leave many more chronically sick or permanently injured, that mistake may define his presidency. That would also sink a vast number of Democrats who also pushed the vaccines much harder by supporting vaccine mandates, quarantine camps for the unvaccinated, and similar insanity.

 

[Bn2f]

I will answer as someone who voted for Trump but plans to vote for someone else next year.

Christianity is a strange and deeply perverted religion, with praying to a cross, a symbol of torture and murder, and plenty more perversion that could fill a rant. Playing along with that crap is part of the cost of being a politician here. In the US and Europe, most people who claim to be nonreligious or atheist still have religious belief in progress, an unstoppable movement towards an always better future, which is Christianity's heaven without the religious label, and much of that is even more perverted as progress doesn't happen, life gets worse, and people become desperate to sustain their beliefs.

Economically, the US is half a century past its prime. Living standards have been declining since the early 1970s. Half a century ago, a single income family with just high school education could have a manufacturing job. That was enough to pay for a house, a car, and raising the kids. Now, such a family would be homeless. Corporations moving their manufacturing out of the US kept prices low for people who still had money, so the unemployed were ignored. And then we have illegal immigrants being brought in to be exploited for illegally low wages and take more of the fewer jobs left. The economy is where Trump got most of his votes. He made some real achievements towards bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US, in trade and tariff negotiations. In reducing illegal immigration, he made one step forward, followed by the next president's two steps back.

And war. Most Americans don't want it. They don't want to be in it or see their relatives come back from it dead or missing limbs. Trump dialed down the reckless use of soldiers as cannon fodder.

Trump made various other less noticed improvements, such as moving the Bureau of Land Management HQ to Colorado, closer to the land it manages. Decentralizing bureaucracy is necessary and very long overdue. The next administration repealed that decision and moved the HQ back to Washington DC.

Why I don't plan to vote for him again: He will be far too old for the job. In the last year of his term, he was already losing steam and becoming just another political hack, doing what the bureaucracy wants, not what he campaigned on or voters want. But I don't expect him to get the nomination. The colossal mistake that I expect will sink him next year during the primaries is pushing the approval of covid vaccines without adequate testing. That takes years and he pushed them through in months. As the vaccines kill more people and leave many more chronically sick or permanently injured, that mistake may define his presidency. That would also sink a vast number of Democrats who also pushed the vaccines much harder by supporting vaccine mandates, quarantine camps for the unvaccinated, and similar insanity.

Awwwwww.
Every time you post it leaves me in a state of wonder. I will take the fact that you say that you are not going to vote trump and hold it close to my heart and skip over fact checking all the other things you posted.

 

[RoryN]

I will answer as someone who voted for Trump but plans to vote for someone else next year.

Horseshit.

Cultists like you don't change their colors.

 

[Lazaran]

I will answer as someone who voted for Trump but plans to vote for someone else next year.

Christianity is a strange and deeply perverted religion, with praying to a cross, a symbol of torture and murder, and plenty more perversion that could fill a rant. Playing along with that crap is part of the cost of being a politician here. In the US and Europe, most people who claim to be nonreligious or atheist still have religious belief in progress, an unstoppable movement towards an always better future, which is Christianity's heaven without the religious label, and much of that is even more perverted as progress doesn't happen, life gets worse, and people become desperate to sustain their beliefs.

Economically, the US is half a century past its prime. Living standards have been declining since the early 1970s. Half a century ago, a single income family with just high school education could have a manufacturing job. That was enough to pay for a house, a car, and raising the kids. Now, such a family would be homeless. Corporations moving their manufacturing out of the US kept prices low for people who still had money, so the unemployed were ignored. And then we have illegal immigrants being brought in to be exploited for illegally low wages and take more of the fewer jobs left. The economy is where Trump got most of his votes. He made some real achievements towards bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US, in trade and tariff negotiations. In reducing illegal immigration, he made one step forward, followed by the next president's two steps back.

And war. Most Americans don't want it. They don't want to be in it or see their relatives come back from it dead or missing limbs. Trump dialed down the reckless use of soldiers as cannon fodder.

Trump made various other less noticed improvements, such as moving the Bureau of Land Management HQ to Colorado, closer to the land it manages. Decentralizing bureaucracy is necessary and very long overdue. The next administration repealed that decision and moved the HQ back to Washington DC.

Why I don't plan to vote for him again: He will be far too old for the job. In the last year of his term, he was already losing steam and becoming just another political hack, doing what the bureaucracy wants, not what he campaigned on or voters want. But I don't expect him to get the nomination. The colossal mistake that I expect will sink him next year during the primaries is pushing the approval of covid vaccines without adequate testing. That takes years and he pushed them through in months. As the vaccines kill more people and leave many more chronically sick or permanently injured, that mistake may define his presidency. That would also sink a vast number of Democrats who also pushed the vaccines much harder by supporting vaccine mandates, quarantine camps for the unvaccinated, and similar insanity.

You’re an ignorant fucking LIAR who is going to vote for the corrupt orange traitor…again.

I’m going to vote for President Biden again, with no regrets.

See you at the polls.