Troll Feedback Increase?

[PrevertOne]

Is it just me or does it seem that there's more troll traffic these days on feedbacks to posted stories?

 

[bronzeage]

Is it just me or does it seem that there's more troll traffic these days on feedbacks to posted stories?

If there is, it's not something worth concern. All a troll wants is a reaction. The only effective weapon is indifference.

I don't think anyone reads the comments before they decide to read the story.

 

[MSTarot]

Now the only effective weapon against trolls is billy goats. Named Gruff.

 

[estragon]

An old story and still a sad one: Lit is a victim of its own success. The site attracts good writers and good stories. The trolls are a by-product. Unfortunately, the only way to get rid of the trolls is to debase the site; and the cure is worse than the cliché.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

An old story and still a sad one: Lit is a victim of its own success. The site attracts good writers and good stories. The trolls are a by-product. Unfortunately, the only way to get rid of the trolls is to debase the site; and the cure is worse than the cliché.

Spot-on - as with bronzeage.

Add to good writers and stories a whole heap of good people wanting to write, lend a hand, or give constructive advice.

Just ignore the others.

 

[wolfie1960]

Malicious voting

Is it just me or does it seem that there's more troll traffic these days on feedbacks to posted stories?

Yes, I agree. Sadly one of these half wits seems to be targeting at least three excellent authors that I have been following recently.

I do seem to remember some discussion a while back about the need to revise the way that voting is structured. I think that somebody opinioned that it takes ten 5 star rating to move the score up a point but only one 1-3 score to take it down one. If that is true then the system is not only grossly unfair to contributors but is actually designed to encourage malicious abuse. Just my opinion! How can pressure be brought to get the system changed?

 

[sun_sea_sky]

I don't see how that maths works out.

Say you have 100 votes of 3 stars.

You have 3 x 100 = 300 / 100 = average of 3.0

Now someone votes 5 stars:

So you have 3 x 100 + 5 = 305 / 101 = 3.019 (rounded = 3.02)

So a single 5* vote raised you two vote points.

Now say instead that someone voted 2 rather than 5:

Now you have 3 x 100 + 2 = 302 / 101 = 2.99

So a single 2* vote lowered you one vote point.

And if they voted 1* then:

Now you have 3 x 100 + 1 = 301 / 101 = 2.98

So a single 1* vote lowered you two vote points.

That seems symmetrical to me.

 

[nakdsub]

Someone worked this out mathematically...

I do seem to remember some discussion a while back about the need to revise the way that voting is structured. I think that somebody opinioned that it takes ten 5 star rating to move the score up a point but only one 1-3 score to take it down one. If that is true then the system is not only grossly unfair to contributors but is actually designed to encourage malicious abuse. Just my opinion! How can pressure be brought to get the system changed?[/QUOTE]

And I believe it is simply the way it works; it's mathematics and I don't know how it could be changed to be more fair.

If they could I would consider submitting work again, but I doubt that will happen. I had all of my 32 stories pulled because they had been targeted by a couple trolls, and in two weeks, the scores dropped significantly on ALL of my stories. (The power of the troll)

Scouries took credit for being the person responsible in another post, (just so everyone knows)

If it was him, and I do believe it was because it started right after his threat, I should thank him. I found I can actually make money with my writing by posting to other sites, so it your reading this scouries...thank you.

Unfortunately I feel I've let down a lot of my readers, and for that, I feel bad.

 

[sun_sea_sky]

I suppose that if you happened to have 100 x 5* scores (average of 5) and then someone puts in a 1* then you now have 501 / 101 = 4.96. So you dropped 4 points from a single vote.

Still, you sort-of expect that. 100 votes of 5 gives you 500 "points". So another vote of 1 means you are 4 "short" of being an average of 5.

If someone happens to have 1000 friends, and they convince these friends to 1-bomb you, there isn't a heap you can do about it, unless you have another 1000 friends yourself. Probably the answer is that the scores will tend to be more stable around the middle. That is, if you have a score of 3, then it will take effort to move it away from 3. If you have a score of 5 (or 1) it will take less effort to move it away from that.

Look on the bright side. They might be able to drag you from 4.5 to 3.5 modestly easily. They'll have trouble dragging you down to 1. The other bright side is you've gone from arguing with trolls to making money.

 

[nakdsub]

A short essay by nakdsub...

The silky blackness of night gradually gives way to a satiny blue as it brightens from the light of the sun not yet cresting the horizon.

A lonely bedroom window makes way to enter a new dawn, but its glow cannot penetrate the evil within its ramparts. Wickedness clings to the walls as if painted with the brush of Lucifer himself.

Twisted in sweat soaked sheets lays the form of a man; his psyche filled with spite, anger, jealousy, and revenge; his soul infused with hate. As he stirs, the vicious, vile dreams lingering from his demented subliminal are push forward into malicious thoughts of consciousness and he looks forward to spreading his venomous choruses of disdain.

And so starts a new day for the TROLL.

 

[Brandie69]

kudos, nakedsub

The silky blackness of night gradually gives way to a satiny blue as it brightens from the light of the sun not yet cresting the horizon.

A lonely bedroom window makes way to enter a new dawn, but its glow cannot penetrate the evil within its ramparts. Wickedness clings to the walls as if painted with the brush of Lucifer himself.

Twisted in sweat soaked sheets lays the form of a man; his psyche filled with spite, anger, jealousy, and revenge; his soul infused with hate. As he stirs, the vicious, vile dreams lingering from his demented subliminal are push forward into malicious thoughts of consciousness and he looks forward to spreading his venomous choruses of disdain.

And so starts a new day for the TROLL.

Believe in yourself; write for yourself.

 

[nakdsub]

Always...

Always do, thanks.

 

[Lynn_MXX]

TROLLS: AW, BLESS 'EM

It's a human frailty to be hurt by criticism, but try looking at the trolls/trolling in a different way. First of all, not only have the trolls taken the trouble to read your story, they've been so moved by what they've read they've went to the bother of making a comment! Of course, they make those comments in a very bad mannered way, but give us credit, we readers can see right through the barbed remarks. We can tell how rude they are and recognise their lack of social skills.

I love looking at the comments after reading a good story; they'd hardly be complete without the trolls. Not because I'm enjoying the authors suffering but rather for seeing the trollers make fools of themselves. Other people's anger can be very entertaining! I found a story on here recently which I consider to be one of the best I've ever read. This story was trolled by 19 different people; three of which hoped that the author would die. That's how hot it was. Unfortunately, the author made comments of his own, justifying what he'd written, making him come across as limp wristed. My advice here is NEVER, EVER, RESPOND TO THE TROLLERS. STIFF UPPER LIP AT ALL TIMES; BE STRONG

Here's a challenge for you. Go to the stories you consider to be your favourites and see how heavily they've been trolled. Pretty heavily, if they're as good as you think they are. Now take a look at the lame stories. They'll be lucky if they've attracted more than two comments. Believe me, poor stories get ignored. IT'S FAR BETTER TO BE TROLLED THAN BE IGNORED

There should be some sort of award for the stories that have attracted the most trolls; it really is a badge of honour. It's too unrealistic to expect to be showered with compliments. Once you stop being trolled, it's time to give up writing

One more thing to say before I go:

Loving Wives - the section that attracts most of the trollers - is a title that's a bit misleading. My belief is, they go there expecting just that; a lovey dovey marriage built on solid foundations, only to find the complete opposite, ha ha!

 

[sr71plt]

First of all, not only have the trolls taken the trouble to read your story, they've been so moved by what they've read they've went to the bother

You go off the rails here. I doubt most trolls took the time and effort to read the story.

 

[lovecraft68]

First of all, not only have the trolls taken the trouble to read your story, they've been so moved by what they've read they've went to the bother of making a comment!

Some have and you can tell if they call out something specific.

But there are trolls who run up and down incest and non-con and just blast away.

The LW trolls seem to have read the stories, but have every intention of slamming every story they read.

I don't care and leave them there. I have one on my contest entry that said I was a low life, that my story made him sick and I should never write again.

Yet somehow I will continue to write despite the opinion of...you guessed it, Mr. Anymouse.

 

[sun_sea_sky]

My advice here is NEVER, EVER, RESPOND TO THE TROLLERS. STIFF UPPER LIP AT ALL TIMES; BE STRONG

I haven't been heavily trolled yet (I think that is coming up as I wrote for LW with the specific intent of drawing them out) but I agree that seems good advice. Then the trolls can foam at the mouth wondering if you even read their rubbish.

 

[nakdsub]

Look out; here comes another piece of the sky falling...

That's what happens when I find myself agreeing with SR71, ...but seriously, folks...as a writer of mostly LW stories, some of which end in reconciliation, I know for a fact that many, (maybe not all) but many trolls do not read the story. At best some read the first and last paragraphs but many don't even do that.

There were quite a few times when the trolls criticized me for writing something that simply was not in the story.

Personally, it was never the troll's written word with which I had a problem; (I'm pretty thick skinned) it was the single star vote that was always behind it. I know not how other writers feel, but as for me, I liked to see if readers enjoyed my work. Since many more people vote than leave comments, the score seems to be the best barometer with which to judge. Unfortunately, the scoring procedure does not give an accurate reading. I understant that is simply the way it works and I'm not complaining, just stating a fact.

 

[sun_sea_sky]

How's this for political feedback?

This pile of shit was as pathetic as those fucking idiot democrats

This feedback cunningly combines an awareness of American politics with a critique about cuckolding, and their annoyance with wives who are unfaithful to their husbands. (This was in LW section).

 

[TamLin01]

...maybe it's a good thing that Erotic Horror doesn't attract as many readers.

 

[mgablea]

Yes. It is not worth turning on voting and comments anymore. All stories are attacked.

 

[sun_sea_sky]

Apparently I am also responsible for the decline of your once-great country:

thanks to sick phuckers like you, our once-great country is rotting from the inside out. horrifying and shameful!

 

[sun_sea_sky]

I don't believe however that erotica writers were in any way responsible for the sub-prime mortgage fiasco. I think respectable business men (and women no doubt), wearing suits, were behind that.

 

[PrevertOne]

Only Once.

In all the stories I posted on this site I can say I've only been trolled once. In another case the feedback turned out to be spam disguised as troll. More often than not I've had no more than four or five responses to a story and all were positive. I sort of get jealous when I see stories with nineteen+ responses even if some are trolls, but it doesn't make me want to take others down. I see them as motivation to try harder. Some stories I wrote (one personal favorite in particular) barely got noticed at all. That's what discourages, not insults but indifference.