Transsexuals

[Ms_Lilith]

I'm just curious:

Are any of you attracted to transsexuals? What about those who have not fully transitioned (ie, have breasts and a penis)?

Has anyone ever been with a transsexual? What was it like?

Is anyone out there (as in, anyone reading this) a transsexual?


Being Bi, I can't think of a better way to satisfy my urges... you have the best of both worlds with a transsexual.. though I've never been with one, I'm enamored on the idea, and fantasize about it regularly.

 

[Etoile]

I can conceive of being attracted to a transgendered person, but it hasn't happened yet. I definitely disagree with the "best of both worlds" statement though, I really don't think that would be the case. That's unfairly minimalizing the person and focusing solely on what equipment they might or might not have. It's also ignoring the fact that this is someone who mostly likely prefers to be seen as one gender (usually their destination gender, I would guess).

 

[God of Threads]

?

As a physical form it is fascinating. Alluring even in a unique incredible way.

I wonder how rare percentage-wise this type of person is?

 

[Etoile]

As a physical form?! Good grief, "it" is a person. Never ever forget that, I beg of you.

I've emailed a post-op friend of mine to ask for her thoughts on this question.

 

[killallhippies]

transexuals disturb me. not the people, but the idea. i just can't wrap my brain around the whole concept. it makes no sense to me.

but it's their lives. they can do as they please.

 

[Etoile]

transexuals disturb me. not the people, but the idea. i just can't wrap my brain around the whole concept. it makes no sense to me.

but it's their lives. they can do as they please.

I have an acquaintance who's like this. He's really vicious about it, though, insisting they don't exist and getting downright brutal in discussion of it.

 

[Guest]

I disagree with the 'best of both worlds' thought. It's much better to be attracted to the person...and not what parts they have.

 

[PinkOrchid]

 

[KillerMuffin]

I wonder if the threadstarter might have confused transexuals with hermaphrodites. Transexuals are one gender no matter the equipment. They usually only have one type of plumbing at a time anyway. Hermpaphrodites come with "both worlds".

Master V wrote a really good hermaphrodite story. http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=93101

 

[Etoile]

I wonder if the threadstarter might have confused transexuals with hermaphrodites. Transexuals are one gender no matter the equipment. They usually only have one type of plumbing at a time anyway. Hermpaphrodites come with "both worlds".

You might be right, but vixenshe did mention transitioning, which is typically a transgender phenomenon. Intersexed babies (that's the preferred term for hermaphroditism) are frequently made to be male or female shortly after birth.

 

[Ms_Lilith]

Okay, wow. Did not think people would get deep on me with this.

Rather Obviously, I am into PEOPLE more than their equipment. In the end, it's the soul of the person that matters, male, female, or in between.

However. When there's porn, there's porn. Some people enjoy the straight, some the gay, some the trans. I rather enjoy watching trans porn, and to be perfectly shallow (understanding that I've said what I've said about the soul), I WOULD like to experience sex with a transsexual. Not only for the body, but for the experiences, and how they affect the way that person makes love.

It's just a kink of mine. It was supposed to be a light topic, folks.

 

[Netzach]

God forbid we can't objectify one another a little.

I think everyone in the world *should* have a dick and a great B or C cup. If I had my way.

I've been in relationships where, yes, my FTM pal or MTF pal definitely wanted to be viewed as the "destination gender" I'm very able to make that leap, it's no problem.

More appealing to me are a couple of people I've been with, and I include myself where gender is a more fluid, playful, ambiguous thing, and for me that was really erotic and intriguing.

My fiance has experience with various lowish-dose hormones (premarin), not in a desire to transition, but desiring to reach an in-between state that he's comfortable with, a kind of androgyny that he is after. It is very much a pursuit of physical characterisitcs (hairlessness, slight breast development) that he finds pleasing for himself. Luckily, I find them as pleasing, objectification has its perks.

Have you ever looked at nekkid pics of female body builders? This works for me, much to my surprise. It's such a genderfuck, and rather close to your best of both worlds concept.

 

[Etoile]

Here's the response from my friend.

As a post-op MtF transsexual, I do find this thread interesting. Part of me always wonders what others 'mainstream' folks think of people like myself (...of course, I'm shamelessly narcissistic, and a Leo to boot, so there you go).

Phrases like "The best of both worlds", although cute, really don't come close to what I have or several of my other friends have experienced. And it's really not the state of mind of the Intersexed folks I know, either. Truth is, it's damn difficult to present as one gender while your genitals run contrary. Many transsexuals are dreadfully aware of labels, and as such, you often hear them either state "I'm just me", rather than state things such as "I'm a woman" or "I'm a man", or they go the opposite route and deny their transsexuality after surgery , stating clearly that they are whatever gender they present themselves to be. The idea of "both" really isn't part of the issue. We don't feel both, we feel one, and we work to get there. However some of us do acknowledge the fact that we have transsexual histories, and that opens a whole 'nother door into TS politics, and trust me, you don't want to go there.

The more exotic aspects of our lives tend to be drowned out by things such as financing transition, maintaining whatever relationships we wish to hold on to, and deal with the psychological aspects of *finally* being treated as the gender in which we've always believed ourselves to be. It's difficult to actually enjoy being ourselves, especially in the midst of having both breasts and a penis, as there are many, many, many negative reinforcements that occur to us on a daily basis.

Because of the basic stigma surround the title of being a "transsexual" most will state emphatically that they are their destination gender, and have always been. It's the transsexualism as a birth-defect argument, and to be honest, I'm damn uncomfortable with it.

As someone else has mentioned, I personally tend to be of the mind as gender as fluid. Do I see myself as female? Absolutely, but I also don't deny my past gender (even if I wasn't too fond of it). I am woman, and I am transsexual. There ya' go.

I wonder how rare percentage-wise this type of person is?

A while ago, they (meaning the scientific community) SWAG'ed it to be about 1 out of 40,000 people is a TS in some sense, but I think the number is a little higher, maybe 1 in 10,000, especially when you take into account Female to Male TS's, who are only recently becoming more vocal and more visible.

I'm not sure if this clears up anything, or if it makes it murkier, but it is my 2 cents.

Caitlin H
http://www.catatwaldenpond.com
http://www.road-less-traveled.com

 

[Ms_Lilith]

Etoile, thank Caitlin for me... that was incredibly enlightening, and well put. And it made me think... and I will still have to think about it even after I've logged off.

Thank you.

 

[Jae_one_01]

This has turned out to be a very interesting piece/thread or whatever you want to call it. I have a few transexual stories, one of which I should one da finish because it's led to a wonderful friendship. At first of course I was stricly attracted to the mystique behind it all. I mean the first time I saw a transexual in person I was sooooooo intrigued. This led to my wasting $200 in a peep show slot window. Which further led to a night of very interesting sex with some very interesting people. But that is getting off the subject a little. What it boils down to is that everyone feels a certain way about the topic... Some transexuals would rather be called shemales, others transgender, etc... It's just a matter of respect for people. Although my attraction to transexuals is definitely a sexual one, I've been able to see that they are definitely people like you and I and should be treated as such whether or not you agree with the lifestyle that they've chosen.

 

[rosco rathbone]

I totally want to fuck a post-op transexual (MTF).

 

[Netzach]

Me too.

Unfortunately all the ones I know in town would rather fuck you.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Me too.

Unfortunately all the ones I know in town would rather fuck you.

Ha.

*busts off a rather cocky bit of Chinese Shadow Boxing*

 

[gumbie]

Love Them

i have dated two transexuals in my time. They are truly fulfilling sexually speaking. Such wonderful folks!

 

[easysub]

curious

I was wondering when and where I would here that statement. I have been curious about that also. best of both worlds._Sara

 

[Etoile]

Re: Love Them

i have dated two transexuals in my time. They are truly fulfilling sexually speaking. Such wonderful folks!

To clarify, the two people you dated were sexually fulfilling and wonderful. You really cannot generalize that kind of thing.

 

[Etoile]

Re: curious

I was wondering when and where I would here that statement. I have been curious about that also. best of both worlds._Sara

Except it's not. As was stated above, TG's are not both, and neither are intersexed people. Any thoughts of the contrary are wishful thinking.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Re: Re: curious

Except it's not. As was stated above, TG's are not both, and neither are intersexed people. Any thoughts of the contrary are wishful thinking.

And yet a good friend of mine who is transgender would disagree with this statement and agree with the former. Guess as with all things it cannot be made a blanket statement, and no by 'it' I am not referring to a person, but a terminology being discussed.

C

 

[0Ryoko]

Interesting thread, I'm always curious about what the rest of the world thinks about Ts.

I am a non transitioned M->F, meaning that I still live in the male role, but not completely by choice. I transitioned a few years back and had to untransition after a couple of people tried to kill me, I ran out of money and had my pay reduced where I was working at as I made the mistake of transitioning in place. Now I have to wear baggy shirts and layers to hide the breasts.

Best of both worlds? Guess it would depend upon the person. I have a deep concern for any sexual partners that I have and try to focus on their pleasure. I like to cuddle afterwards, but I still drift off to sleep since I put my entire body and spirit into the act. I am also incapable of bed hopping and have only had a few partners in my life.

While transitioned I enjoyed the rare oppty of not being "clocked" by those around me (unless they had known me from before or if I was having a bad day). MOF, one couple who knew me a little before, after (transition) and then after (untransition) told me that they had no idea what had happened until I had said something. Biggest drawback of that was being hit on by guys all the time, but not being able to find an understanding female partner.

I am currently working at losing the weight, getting back into the swing of things and hope to transition again, this time do or die, within the next 24 months. Needless to say, relationships are on hold unless I can find that certain someone, but I won't hold my breath.

Other things one can look forward to include things like gays actively campaigning to make sure Ts are not included in proposed legislation, emergency workers that let Ts bleed to death while making jokes, being one of the rare classes in American society that it is perfectly acceptable to persecute in any way imaginable as there are very few areas where there are laws to protect Ts, police who don't care whether you're raped or have stalkers who are trying to kill you and being told by everyone around you that they could understand the gay thing, but are baffled by transsexuality and don't care to learn. My own family had asked me to sneak in the back door of the house so my grandparents wouldn't see me.

I am now very efficient in hand to hand combat and I am licensed to carry a sidearm in a few states and have been trained in defensive shooting techniques and close quarter combat.

Sorry if this seems a bit negative, but it's tough when the world see Ts as nothing more than entertainment in a Jerry Springer world.

Deep down I am a hopeless romantic and optimist and I truly hope that things will get better.

I'll bookmark this thread and stop back in soon to answer any questions that may arise. Ask anything but I do reserve the right not to answer.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Hi ORyoko...thanks for your input. I don't think you need worry about it being a negative post. I would more say it was honest and open. Is sad when gays persecute T's, as it is when any monority group forgets and oppresses another minority group. When I ran our group in Australia, one of our main concerns was to have a support/friendship group which not only was inclusive of all but challenged the division between sexuality communities.

In this we were successful and despite being told by other groups when we were setting up that we had to choose one sexuality and stick to just that, we decided to remain with the original idea and over time enjoyed the positiveness of sharing with each other our own personal perspectives anad learning each other's reality through open, non-discriminatory communication and friendship.

The beauty of freedom everyone felt to express their individuality without fear or consensus was exceptional. There was no such thing as inappropriate discussion, nor did we ever allow another to utter the trendy phrase 'too much information', though this was only needed to be enforced once when we had a heterosexual newcomer present. T's shared with us openly with no holding back and were supported (actively both politically and personally) and appreciated for who they were. We all learnt more about each other and tolerance and there was a conscious effort to understand each other from their lived reality, a sort of 'putting ourselves in their shoes' mentality which gave a whole new view.

I wish this type of approach was universal but unfortunatley is not. Hopefully one day people will learn to be more understanding and protective of all humans, not just those who look and act like them.

C