Transgendereism

[LadyFunkenstein]

Hey dumdum! Let me translate it for you. What she also meant was:

Most of us are 'brainwashed' in our childhood and youth, to various degrees.
Either by the idealistic teachings of our parents or society, or by societal myths of the Cinderella and Prince Charming-type.

Some of us only start waking up when we start our first paying job and have to deal with real life, or when we go through real hardship. Others - like you, from what you're saying- not so much .…

Everyone is brainwashed, from childhood to adulthood. Those who claim they haven't been typically are the ones who suffer from brainwashing the most. Humans are very malleable; this is why advertising is so effective. We are not as smart as we think we are. I am coming to the concludion that the true purpose of religion is to shift our easily manipulated minds into supporting ideas and concepts which move a given society forward, the deity itself is irrelevant.

I used think I am an atheist because I am so damn smart. Now I know I am an atheist by design. Examine a chart on the rise of atheism and consider what other factors have risen at the same time.

 

[RoryN]

Everyone is brainwashed, from childhood to adulthood. Those who claim they haven't been typically are the ones who suffer from brainwashing the most. Humans are very malleable; this is why advertising is so effective. We are not as smart as we think we are. I am coming to the concludion that the true purpose of religion is to shift our easily manipulated minds into supporting ideas and concepts which move a given society forward, the deity itself is irrelevant.

I used think I am an atheist because I am so damn smart. Now I know I am an atheist by design. Examine a chart on the rise of atheism and consider what other factors have risen at the same time.

The quality of critical thinking associated with atheism, however, doesn't fit with accelerating the acceptance of ideas, concepts, or marketing ad nauseam. Generally, critical thinking is supposed to at least temporarily put the brakes on that stuff until it's been examined more thoroughly.

BTW, hello.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

The quality of critical thinking associated with atheism, however, doesn't fit with accelerating the acceptance of ideas, concepts, or marketing ad nauseam. Generally, critical thinking is supposed to at least temporarily put the brakes on that stuff until it's been examined more thoroughly.

BTW, hello.

Why hello Rory.

Sad to say the average atheist I meet is not much of a critical thinker at all. Frankly they are no more advanced that Christians in that department. (That said, I don't exactly hang out in places that are hot beds ofof I tell estuary curiosity.)

 

[RoryN]

Why hello Rory.

Sad to say the average atheist I meet is not much of a critical thinker at all. Frankly they are no more advanced that Christians in that department. (That said, I don't exactly hang out in places that are hot beds ofof I tell estuary curiosity.)

A lot of the younger ones feel threatened. And, of course, as soon as most people feel threatened, critical thinking comes to a grinding halt.

I think this is also where those atheist billboards are coming from. I made a point of challenging a supporter of them (as an atheist myself, I think they're moronic), and he responded by saying they have to spread the practice and "word" of atheism as far and wide as possible. I wish he would've said that to my face so I could've smacked him upside his head.

"Born-again atheists" are a thing. But, I'm sure, when facing severe adversity, they'll drop to their knees in a sec and pray to God, like they were probably doing a few years before they magically un-found him.

 

[gerbilwhisperer]

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[LadyFunkenstein]

A lot of the younger ones feel threatened. And, of course, as soon as most people feel threatened, critical thinking comes to a grinding halt.

I think this is also where those atheist billboards are coming from. I made a point of challenging a supporter of them (as an atheist myself, I think they're moronic), and he responded by saying they have to spread the practice and "word" of atheism as far and wide as possible. I wish he would've said that to my face so I could've smacked him upside his head.

"Born-again atheists" are a thing. But, I'm sure, when facing severe adversity, they'll drop to their knees in a sec and pray to God, like they were probably doing a few years before they magically un-found him.

I call these people evangelical atheists. Truly a silly group of people is ever there was one. Those billboards are mostly a way coast thing. I have a feeling they are funded by someone work an agenda... But I suppose that is the case with everything.

 

[Ishmael]

I call these people evangelical atheists. Truly a silly group of people is ever there was one. Those billboards are mostly a way coast thing. I have a feeling they are funded by someone work an agenda... But I suppose that is the case with everything.

DCL hasn't posted in quite a while. Maybe your post will provoke him to start an other evangelical atheist thread.

Ishmael

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

DCL hasn't posted in quite a while. Maybe your post will provoke him to start an other evangelical atheist thread.

Ishmael

Some of them form clubs where they sit around and presumably talk about their lack of belief in a deity. I tried to form a support group for people who don't believe in the lucky charms leprechaun but no one showed up, oddly enough. No one will fund my billboards either, go figure.

 

[hashtag45]

My usual go-to argument, whenever I'm trying to engage them in a debate or, if this fails -as it often does on the GB- , when I'm trying to point out the flaws in their attitudes (all- or nothing thinking and a lack of critical thinking like the above posters said, intolerance and witch hunting of religious individuals)

- is that even Einstein disagreed with atheists' attitude.
Because I doubt that any Sam Harris-type atheists would have the guts to derride or ridicule Einstein.



Religious views of Albert Einstein
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reli...lbert_Einstein

"Einstein said he believed in the "pantheistic" God of Baruch Spinoza, but not in a personal god, a belief he criticized for being childlike.

He called himself an agnostic, while disassociating himself from the label atheist.
According to biographer Walter Isaacson, Einstein was more inclined to denigrate atheists than religious people.[24]
Einstein said in correspondence, 'he fanatical atheists...are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle.'
'You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being.'

Einstein had previously explored the belief that man could not understand the nature of God.
'I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe.
We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's Pantheism.'

Although he did not believe in a personal God, he indicated that he would never seek to combat such belief because "such a belief seems to me preferable to the lack of any transcendental outlook."

 

[Darbhinder]

A paki copy and paste. The prairie nigger has taught you well.

 

[hashtag45]

I used to think I am an atheist because I am so damn smart.

Me too.
But the older I get (and the more life experiences or wisdom -hopefully- I accrue), the more I realise how superficial and judgmental I used to be in my set views.

One such life experience was when I experienced my own "tragedy" (like we all do, sooner or later) many years ago. I was close to sinking to a sense of meaningless and semi-despair, because I didn't have a solid belief system to hang on to. (religious, agnostic or anything else).

Now I know I am an atheist by design. Examine a chart on the rise of atheism and consider what other factors have risen at the same time.

Not sure which ones you're referring to. Globalisation?
Could you pls.elaborate on that?

 

[gerbilwhisperer]

Einstein's mind could never sell him that nothing could ever create something. Thus, he most definitely believed there to be a creator of some mighty kind because he also had a clue about how unknowingly mighty existence must be.

Sadly, even though no mind has ever presented a logical answer to how nothing can create something, non-believers can't help themselves but maintain their fantasy is the truth, anyway, while also maintaining those who can't help but believe a creator created everything that ever became anything are nothing but delusional fools.

It is impossible for nothing to create anything - because it is nothing; if it could possibly be anything else but nothing, then it wouldn't be nothing - it'd be something.

If anything exists, it had to be created somehow or it couldn't exist. Man knows of nothing which exists that wasn't created somehow.

There is no logical doubt that existence exists - our own lives are proof positive of that. Yet, non-believers, while having no logical choice but to admit that what makes up our individual lives most certainly had to be created somehow (or we wouldn't exist), refuse to follow that logic all the way to its source - creation itself - because then they would be admitting there is, in fact, a creator.

It's no different than one who must insist that there is no truth, too stupid, then, to realize that what he just insisted can't be true in the least.

 

[hashtag45]

So true.
On top of the endless creation of new life, there's a particular order to the whole world (from the atom to the Universe) that our limitted minds just can't make sense of. An attitude of humility in front of nature makes more sense.

Btw: re the 2-3 or so topics that were brought up in the last pages:
Personally I'm quite taken with the more 'optimistic' (not the nihilistic ones) existentialists. They managed to bring together all these seemingly separate fascinating concepts (borrowed from certain religions, atheistic moves and even science), into a more modern narrative:

- Einstein's awe of being part of a grander design and nature
- the way in which society indoctrinates and alienates us, and the need for every individual to find his idiosyncratic, authentic path in life (basically half of the important writers touched on this theme, and even Karl Marx to some degree, in his non-political writings)
- versus the risk of succombing to a sense of meaningless and despair (Madame Bovary, The death of Ivan Ilych)

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Some of them form clubs where they sit around and presumably talk about their lack of belief in a deity. I tried to form a support group for people who don't believe in the lucky charms leprechaun but no one showed up, oddly enough. No one will fund my billboards either, go figure.

I keep to myself.

Thise shallow atheists who borrow the Liberal schtick of being offended by everything religious embarrass the fuck out of me.

 

[LIVINRFANTASIES]

Denny---<-----that's me! The male half



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