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[Pure]

conveys a kinda Faustian longing, doesn't it.

 

[Pure]

 

[Netzach]

While a perfectly fine example of femdom fic, and definitely not a story that pulls punches in sentimentality or woo woo new ageyness....

there's a lack of rapine, non-con, or anything overpowering in the account of Mme. N and her piss boy, no?

I mean, she's not exactly tying him down after drugging his drink.

 

[Netzach]

Netz, attend to that box!

I'm masturbating as fast as I can!!!!

 

[Pure]

Netzach on 'A good doggie...'
//there's a lack of rapine, non-con, or anything overpowering in the account of Mme. N and her piss boy, no?//

The author indeed stops short of real physical violence, though the psych violence is intense; there is also implicit consent at least. We may conjecture that the author may have held back from inserting some of the entirely typical features of 'rough trade' -- fearing to indulge the dark side; or perhaps the author had not yet been exposed to the corruption of the delectable brutalities of rr's approach.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Netzach on 'A good doggie...'
//there's a lack of rapine, non-con, or anything overpowering in the account of Mme. N and her piss boy, no?//

The author indeed stops short of real physical violence, though the psych violence is intense; there is also implicit consent at least. We may conjecture that the author may have held back from inserting some of the entirely typical features of 'rough trade' -- fearing to indulge the dark side; or perhaps the author had not yet been exposed to the corruption of the delectable brutalities of rr's approach.

Contrariwise, we could postulate that RR's approach may be applicable only to maledom situations. (Or "malerape" or whatever you want to call nonconsent sex violence situation with penis getting off and vagina not getting off).

 

[Pure]

rr said,
//we could postulate that RR's approach may be applicable only to maledom situations.//

ok, i'm obtuse, but the 'approach' linking rage, aggression, sex, degradation....ok usually a male thing, done to female. Penis happy, vagina not necessarily.

so is the 'approach' defined as 'male sexual rage unleashed on female'?

but yourself have already spoken of male on male, and sex-rage-aggression stories [penis violates male mouth or bum]are not uncommon in the gay male lit. is this part of the rr approach?

going further, why can there not be a non gendered counterpart (version of the approach)? i.e., sexual rage unleashed, could be female on female, or even female on male. OK, maybe it wouldn't be 'vintage rr approach' but let's say it's pale imitation universalized rr approach. Perhaps the female on female does involve a dildo used as punishment.

 

[rosco rathbone]

rr said,
//we could postulate that RR's approach may be applicable only to maledom situations.//

ok, i'm obtuse, but the 'approach' linking rage, aggression, sex, degradation....ok usually a male thing, done to female. Penis happy, vagina not necessarily.

so is the 'approach' defined as 'male sexual rage unleashed on female'?

but yourself have already spoken of male on male, and sex-rage-aggression stories [penis violates male mouth or bum]are not uncommon in the gay male lit. is this part of the rr approach?

going further, why can there not be a non gendered counterpart (version of the approach)? i.e., sexual rage unleashed, could be female on female, or even female on male. OK, maybe it wouldn't be 'vintage rr approach' but let's say it's pale imitation universalized rr approach. Perhaps the female on female does involve a dildo used as punishment.

Ok, pale imitation will do.

Dude, when you say "ok, I'm obtuse but....". my first reaction is always to back slowly away from the keyboard with hands held in plain sight.

 

[Pure]

Doesn't sound too pale:

http://www.whataslacker.com/backdoor/elizabeth_bathory/

A Brief on the life and death of Hungary's infamous Blood Countess, Elizabeth Bathory-Nadasdy by Mathew Amaral


Elizabeth started picking girls from some of the surrounding lower nobility. Feeling lonely, the Countess turned to the widow of a tenant farmer from the nearby town of Miava. The woman's name was Erzsi Majorova. Apparently, it was Erszi Majorova who "encouraged Elizabeth to go after girls of noble birth as well as peasants".

One accomplice testified that on some days Elizabeth had stark- naked girls laid flat on the floor of her bedroom and tortured them so much that one could scoop up the blood by the pailfull afterwards, and so Elizabeth had her servants bring up cinders in order to cover the pools of blood. A young maid-servant who did not endure the tortures well and died very quickly was written out by the countess in her diary with the laconic comment "She was too small,"...

She demanded that one of her female servants be brought before her. Dorothea Szentes, a burly, strong peasant woman, dragged one of Elizabeth's girls to her bedside and held her there. Elizabeth rose up on her bed, and, like a bulldog, the Countess opened her mouth and bit the girl first on the cheek. Then she went for the girl's shoulders where she ripped out a piece of flesh with her teeth. After that, Elizabeth proceeded to bite the girl's breasts.

McNally, Raymond T., Dracula was a Woman: In Search of the Blood Countess of Transylvania. McGraw-Hill Book Company, 1983.

 

[rosco rathbone]

It has been shown that Countess Bathory's blood thingie was non-psychosexual. A consequence of an out-of-bounds hunger for raw corpuscles as youth-serum.

 

[Netzach]

I am tempted to write a vicious cycle of female rapine and male terror almost as a Pauline Reage rising to the occasion excercize.

Then I start addressing my box again and I get derailed.

 

[Pure]

//It has been shown that Countess Bathory's blood thingie was non-psychosexual. A consequence of an out-of-bounds hunger for raw corpuscles as youth-serum.//

that's not my impression re the 'hunger'. I gather she was genuinely vicious and that the vampire, bathe in blood thing rose up as a legend. the author I cited limited himself to the court documents, supposedly.

she was bisexual or lesbian, and the concentration on female victims is worth noting. so i think there was a psychosexual (partial) explanation.

from the same source re sexuality of EB

Among the things Elizabeth did to amuse herself while [husband] Ferenc was away at war was to "visit her aunt Klara, an open bisexual. Wealthy and powerful, Klara always had plenty of available girls around. Elizabeth presumably enjoyed herself with her aunt Klara, since she visited her aunt's estate frequently".

In the Countess's service, as helpers in the macabre, was her manservant referred to only as Ficzko (which means "lad " in Hungarian), Helena Jo the wet nurse, Dorothea Szentes (also called "Dorka"), and Katarina Beneczky a washerwoman who came into the Countess's employ late in her bloody career. Also, between the years of 1604 and 1610 a mysterious woman named Anna Darvulia, who was probably a lover of Elizabeth's, who taught her many new torturing techniques and was "one of the most active sadists in Elizabeth's entourage". After a severe stroke that left her blind, Darvulia left her work to Elizabeth, Helena Jo, and Dorka, content that she had taught them well.

With the death of Elizabeth's dear Darvulia, when Elizabeth was in her forties, she became more reckless. Elizabeth started picking girls from some of the surrounding lower nobility. Feeling lonely, the Countess turned to the widow of a tenant farmer from the nearby town of Miava. The woman's name was Erzsi Majorova. Apparently, it was Erszi Majorova who "encouraged Elizabeth to go after girls of noble birth as well as peasants".

===
"Elizabeth's Prayer"


Help me, O Clouds.
O Clouds, stay by me.
Let no harm come to me.
Let me remain healthy and invincible.

Send, O send, you powerful Clouds, ninety cats.
I command you, O King of the Cats, I pray you.
May you gather them together,
even if you are in the mountains,
or on the waters,
or on the roofs,
or on the other side of the ocean.
May these ninety cats appear to tear and destroy
the hearts
of kings and princes,
And in the same way
the hearts
of teachers and judges,
so they shall harm me not.

Holy Trinity, protect me.

from McNally, Dracula was a woman



J.

 

[rosco rathbone]

This day I pictured a can of noodle foods. The name of the product was RathbOn-I-Os. Each noodle was actually one of my sperms, perfectly scaled up to noodle size, swimming in a starchy sauce.

On the label, a cartoon me popped out of the penultimate "O", top-hatted, mustachioed, bemonocled and white-gloved; cane in one hand, arms thrown wide, eyebrows high, diamond-tipped grin from ear to ear, in a gesture that says both "Come And Get It, Kids!" and "Oops! I Did It Again!".

 

[Pure]

a vicious cycle of female rapine... yet how would that be undertaken in the absence of ability to generate and spew them lil tadpoles lately taking up residence in canned italian pasta dishes.

here's a funny thing. i have no problem with female on female; I can see the dynamics of that. female predation of the male is unknown territory (or putting it differently, is only 'known' through male fantasies of it.)

 

[Queen Bee]

here's a funny thing. i have no problem with female on female; I can see the dynamics of that. female predation of the male is unknown territory (or putting it differently, is only 'known' through male fantasies of it.)

I actually have several fantasies in this vein, but there is usually some "turning of the tables" element involved. For example, I chain a guy, tease and humiliate him until he cries, free him when he's good and enraged, and he beats up and savages me. In another, I am stalked and sexually assaulted, but disarm my would-be rapist with a series of dazzling martial arts maneuvers and then rape him with a strap-on I happen to be packing.

 

[rosco rathbone]

I actually have several fantasies in this vein, but there is usually some "turning of the tables" element involved. For example, I chain a guy, tease and humiliate him until he cries, free him when he's good and enraged, and he beats up and savages me. In another, I am stalked and sexually assaulted, but disarm my would-be rapist with a series of dazzling martial arts maneuvers and then rape him with a strap-on I happen to be packing.

You ought to get those gigantic blue aureaolae checked, QBF. They appear to be metastasizing your normal healthy honey beetits.

 

[rosco rathbone]

This is an interesting thread; recommended for topopolians.

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=188646

 

[Netzach]

Queen Bee....very similar to my mental diversions...

I ususally rape my fantasy assailants with the muzzle of a gun when I track them down.

I also have daytime idylls about luring a man into a gang-rape situation involving multiple other men. My army, perhaps, has a battle to fight after all.

Do I still need pasta tadpoles to *really* be oppositional or violent of sexual urge?

 

[Pure]

//I ususally rape my fantasy assailants with the muzzle of a gun when I track them down. //

well, maybe my address will help

I find the problem with this, a bit like the old Ms .45 movie (recommended nonetheless), is the revenge motif in the alleged female predator's psyche.

perhaps rr the troglodyte can explain better, but true predation has to be unmotivated, gratuitous. like pick up the guy who's done nothing to you....

I did a little search on 'female sexual predators'; goddamn, but there aren't but a handful. Your Wuornos figure, said to be the only female solo serial killer seems very much into the abuse/revenge thing, throughout her wretched life. she just doesn't cut it, as far as I'm concernd. Most, like Myra Hindley worked with hubbies (though by no means just mopped up the blood.)

(I'm looking around, but so far I have only the historical figures of
what-her-name roman (begins with M), and Catherine the Great.)

Added: 8-21
Thanks, Caitlynne for 'messalina'

The fictional figure, in her savage glory is, of course, Sade's Juliette.

 

[Caitlynne]

(I'm looking around, but so far I have only the historical figures of
what-her-name roman (begins with M), and Catherine the Great.)

Messalina

 

[rosco rathbone]

perhaps rr the troglodyte can explain better, but true predation has to be unmotivated, gratuitous. like pick up the guy who's done nothing to you....

By jove, I think you've got it spot-on, Rabbi.

Messalina

What have we here; an interloper ???

Nice to see a non-usual suspect posting.

 

[Caitlynne]

What have we here; an interloper ???

Nice to see a non-usual suspect posting.

Just a bookish sub daring to peek in.... I was complelled to be of service.

j/k thanks for the nod!!!

~ Cait

 

[Netzach]

Oh! I get it.

It's that most terribly femme of complexities....I get most wet when I feel righteous. Zzzzaap! I think a lot of women do.

 

[Pure]

That reminds me of the old saying,

A woman needs a reason for sex; the man only needs a place.

You're perhaps saying (?)

A woman predator needs a reason for sexually brutalizing someone; the man predator simply needs a place

You're a complex creature apparently still struggling with her Cartesian propensities.

 

[Netzach]

I think maybe when we have the same propensity and opportunity to get in bar fights and start holy wars, our sexual fantasies may evolve.