Told you he was a traitor

[Dribble]

Snowden granted full citizenship by Putin today. Hey you Republicans that talked about what a patriot he was...you too are Comrade Snowden's.

 

[ffish1]

Good point.
I, too used to be a huge Snowden fan like many internationally, but I was starting to have doubts lately ...
Why he chose Russia seemed understandable -- South America turned in Assange, after all.
But why did he talk about The Five Eyes's spying on other countries?

Btw -- what do you guys think about Assange?
On one hand, unlike Snowden, he Did reveal internal corruption & money laundering that hurts the West
On the other hand, like Snowden, he also published secrets that could have hurt America's/UK's security or international relations..

 

[Dribble]

I have the same view for anyone that steals classified material...Trump....Snowden...Assange.

 

[jaF0]

If Snowden had been treated properly as a legitimate whistle blower, he would not have gone there to begin with.

 

[domroger]

Wonder when he will get his call up papers.

 

[BluesDriver66]

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It would be nice if people were as adamant and absolutist about 1st Amendment as they are about the 2nd Amendment. The only problem is you can't play dress up, enjoy your gun fetish, and run around barking macho lines from mediocre action movies while doing it. The reality is your freedom depends much more on a free press than your pantomime penis play time fantasies. ​

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First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.



Snowden Supporters

Jimmy Carter:

He deserves leniency

Al Gore:

What the government did was worse than what Snowden did.

Rand Paul:

History will be kind to Snowden.

Sen. Chris Coons:

Snowden's contributions should be recognized.

Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.):

He's a whistleblower

Rep. John Conyers:

His revelations were important


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...politicians-who-have-defended-edward-snowden/

Bernie Sander​

US senator for Vermont and Democratic presidential runner-up​

The information disclosed by Edward Snowden has allowed Congress and the American people to understand the degree to which the NSA has abused its authority and violated our constitutional rights.

Daniel Ellsberg​

Former US military analyst who released the 1971 Pentagon Papers on the Vietnam war, and who met Snowden in Moscow last year

Ed Snowden should be freed of the legal burden hanging over him. They should remove the indictment, pardon him if that’s the way to do it, so that he is no longer facing prison.

The NSA and US government have revealed no evidence that the information Ed Snowden released has caused any harm. Inconvenience, yes, embarrassment certainly, but what has truly been revealed is that the NSA itself was unquestionably committing international, domestic and constitutional crimes.

Noam Chomsky​

Professor of linguistics at Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Snowden should, in my opinion, be welcomed home with honors for his service to his country, and for his courage and integrity in the manner in which he performed this service.

Cornel West​

Philosopher, civil rights activist and professor at Princeton University

In an age of pervasive mendacity and massive criminality my dear brother Edward Snowden exemplifies courage and integrity. I call for President Obama to give him a pardon owing to his public service for truth and democratic accountability.

Lawrence Wilkerson​

Retired US army colonel and former chief of staff to US secretary of state Colin Powell

After listening to Snowden on tape and video multiple times, I believe him to be a highly courageous and extremely ethical young man.

Barry Eisler​

Bestselling novelist and former covert CIA operative

I wholeheartedly support a full presidential pardon for whistleblower Edward Snowden.

As a CIA officer 25 years ago, I knew the government classified too much information. Everyone knew it. But no one spoke up. And today the problem is far worse.

David Winnick​

UK member of parliament and vice-chair of the Home Affairs Committee

From the start I thought that Edward Snowden had made a significant contribution in revealing the excesses and, in some instances, illegal surveillance carried out by US agencies.

Cindy Cohn​

Executive director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation

Whistleblower Edward Snowden’s disclosures provided powerful confirmation that the NSA was spying on the digital lives of hundreds of millions of innocent people, undermining digital security and attacking American companies.

Karen Greenberg​

Director of the Center on National Security at Fordham University

What if there hadn’t been a Snowden? A program that violated the principles that this country holds dear may have continued to this day. A program that an appellate court in New York found illegal, that was so egregious in terms of law and civil liberties, may have continued or even been expanded.

Ladar Levison​

Owner of webmail service Lavabit that he shut down in 2013 rather than comply with US government orders to facilitate spying on Snowden

The charges against Snowden should be dismissed with prejudice; just like the case against Daniel Ellsberg was dismissed. To quote Judge Byrne, from his decision in 1973: “The totality of the circumstances of this case offend a sense of justice.”

Lawrence Lessig​

Law professor at Harvard Law School and former Democratic presidential candidate in 2016

There should be nothing less than a full pardon. The information that Snowden released to the public was critical: it made Americans aware of the way the law was being violated or at least subverted by unchecked government officials.

Salil Shetty​

Secretary-general of Amnesty International

Edward Snowden clearly acted in the public interest. He sparked one of the most important debates about government surveillance in decades, and brought about a global movement in defence of privacy in the digital age.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/14/edward-snowden-pardon-bernie-sanders-daniel-ellsberg

 

[ffish1]

JOHN MARC DOUGAN
Another weird one.

He appeared on "Republic World with Arnab live" sessions ---an Indian channel that used to host debates about the Ukraine war, among Ukrainian, Russian, American, Britich, Chinese and Indian officials or public personalities.
He was literally doing pro-Russia lobbying!!

Although he's NOT in the same league as Snowden /Assange imo. He came across as self-interested

 

[BluesDriver66]

I have the same view for anyone that steals classified material...Trump....Snowden...Assange.

Steal? He's a reporter who published facts that were brought to him. That's what reporters do. It's their job.

 

[BluesDriver66]

If Snowden had been treated properly as a legitimate whistle blower, he would not have gone there to begin with.

He probably doesn't want that good ole fashioned Chelsea Manning treatment the U.S. government gives to truth tellers and whistleblowers.



Scrutiny of the military’s struggles to deal with Ms. Manning go back to her confinement at the Quantico, Va., brig after her arrest, when she was held for months in isolation, shackled during exercise and sometimes stripped of clothing and glasses to prevent her from harming herself — even after a prison psychologist said such steps were unnecessary. A military judge ruled that the treatment had been illegal.

At Leavenworth, after a minor disagreement with a guard in 2015, officials punished her, among other things, for “medical misuse” because they found a tube of toothpaste in her cell that was past its expiration date. Her supporters publicized the incident.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/13/us/chelsea-manning-sentence-obama.html

 

[ffish1]

He probably doesn't want that good ole fashioned Chelsea Manning treatment the U.S. government gives to truth tellers and whistleblowers.



Scrutiny of the military’s struggles to deal with Ms. Manning go back to her confinement at the Quantico, Va., brig after her arrest, when she was held for months in isolation, shackled during exercise and sometimes stripped of clothing and glasses to prevent her from harming herself — even after a prison psychologist said such steps were unnecessary. A military judge ruled that the treatment had been illegal.

At Leavenworth, after a minor disagreement with a guard in 2015, officials punished her, among other things, for “medical misuse” because they found a tube of toothpaste in her cell that was past its expiration date. Her supporters publicized the incident.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/13/us/chelsea-manning-sentence-obama.html

it's a conundrum.

His revelations about NSA illegally, indiscriminately spying on US citizens were what a patriot would do..

But why did he later on reveal that Five Eyes NZ/Au/UK spies on other countries & sends the info to the States?
That info would benefit a Russian, far more than it would benefit a lay-American.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...lies-for-five-eyes-and-nsa-snowden-files-show

 

[Dribble]

it's a conundrum.

His revelations about NSA illegally, indiscriminately spying on US citizens were what a patriot would do..

But why did he later on reveal that Five Eyes NZ/Au/UK spies on other countries & sends the info to the States?
That info would benefit a Russian, far more than it would benefit a lay-American.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...lies-for-five-eyes-and-nsa-snowden-files-show

It isn't a conundrum....he hates America and is a traitor. Stop looking deeper for a complex answer when you can't eliminate the simplest, most obvious explanation.