To all the people living in the US that hate it so much

[luv2tvl69]

This is the only thing political I will post. I will not post on another political thread as some of the things I read just give me a headache, and will cause arguments--with how I have been feeling since the attack on our country I cant handle another emotion as I am still trying to deal with what I am feeling now. And I am having a hard time with that. I will give my humble apologies if I offend anyone, but I just must say this. (thats why I stick to sex posts... much more fun, no headaches)

My main point is we have free borders, if you hate it so much here then go--we dont need you in our country. If it is so horrible to live in the US then just leave--I will pack for you. I will pay for the 1 way ticket--but leave and dont come back when you find that you were very fortunate to ever have been here at all. Its funny that people risk their lives to flee from other countries to come here for the smallest chance of opportunity. Why is it we take our country and what she stands for for granted. We are a spoiled people.

I am a very opinionated person, and get very upset when people complain about how rotten things are, but do it from the sofa. I dont see many people going out to make a difference or try to change what they dont like. Yes we are a country of freedom and the freedom to have and express a difference of opinion is what makes us so envied. I respect everyones opinion, but in a time where unity is what we must keep intact this attitude of what the gov't or president does wrong is what will tear at the threads of that unity. It is like a computer virus spreading on and on. STOP IT. There is a time and a place to voice these opinions. Right now our main concern is the situation at hand and stopping it from happening again. This is a war unlike any other as who it is against are really a few, but intermingled with people like you and me and before we figure out that they are our enemies, it may be too late. They are not going after our military, but the basic ideals of Democracy and trying to financially cripple us. We are not going against a country, but a twisted ideal implanted in twisted minds. These people are all over the world, and a threat to not just America. But they have now made it much more personal to America. We as usual must be the leadership that makes and initiates the plan to try to keep our world safe.

Is our president perfect? NO
Does he make mistakes? YES, and always will--EVERYONE does
Is our gov't perfect? NO
Will it make bad decisions? YES --dont you
Is there room for improvement? YES , until the end of time there is always room for improvements
Are certain people in govt corrupt? YES, where there is good, there is evil--just as in life
Should we blindly do things we are told? NO, never, god gave us minds to think with
Should we refrain from causing doubt and turmoil in our country?YES....sometimes people should just keep their opinions to themselves...with freedom there are consequences...remember to think of the consequences of your actions and words

All of this is true, however we have a strong leader surrounded by a strong cabinet, surrounded by a stronger nation of citizens. Everyone says "How dumb our president is" however this "dumb" man has surrounded himself with the smartest, brightest and most experienced people in their fields. We do have the best of the best working around the clock to try to make sense of this nonsense and right the wrongs forced upon our nation. DUMB???? I THINK NOT. There is noone on the face of this earth that could have the most experience and knowledge to alone run a large company nonetheless a country--they all need to rely on the expertise of others. And our President appointed the best experts--using their skill and knowledge to formulate a plan, bringing countries together that would never even speak to one another to face a common enemy.

I highly doubt any of you with all these opinions could stand to the task at hand forced on our president. I am glad that if this were to happen he and his cabinet are the ones in charge. I atleast feel confident that they have the capabilities and experience to be successful. It may take time, and mistakes may be made, but we must all be there for each other, and help each other make it through all that lies ahead. We cannot be attacking each other or our leaders during this time.

 

[lilminx]

Amen!!!

 

[Guest]

Read it and weep:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

What makes America great is that we have the right to voice our criticisms of our government. During the eight years Clinton was in office, he was criticized nonstop, even during the Kosovo crisis. It is UnAmerican of you to think that anyone who disagree with President Bush's actions must hold silent. If you truly believe that freedom of speech is that unimportant, you should go join the Taliban.

 

[Chuckus]

luv2tvl69

I applaud you for voicing your opinion. Bravo Bravo Bravo.

 

[luv2tvl69]

freedomlover

with freedom comes responsibility and consequence....yes voice your opinions we all wecome difference of opinion. But when they are voiced to CAUSE inner turmoil and in consequence tear us apart from the inside and make our national security vulnerable it is no better than being a terrorist. There are people that find NO GOOD IN THIS COUNTRY--ONLY FAULT those people can leave---if America makes you miserable we dont want you here. Go where you can be happy!!!!!!

Freedom is not only a right, but privilege. Treat it as such. I am so sick of everybody thinking their own personal freedom is more important than that of a greater cause. Your right to free speech, opinions, etc does not give you the right to step all over someone else's rights and people seem to forget that. I hate to clue people in, but in the scope of life...your not all that! you are a small miniscule piece of the whole picture. I am sick of everyone thinking they are so important and that their cause should be everyone's cause. I am sick of policies for all being made because of the few alarmists and big mouths. We think the govt owes us...they owe us nothing. The new big joke is we should be paying money for slavery way back when...christ...get over yourselves people...make your own way in life...quit expecting handouts....quit being lazy....no one owes you anything. You need to earn what you want in this life. The opportunities are there--dont expect them to be handed out to you..get off your asses and get them.

If you love freedom--treat it as such....fight for it, defend it, stand by it. Pissing and moaning about the faults accomplish NOTHING.

Sorry this is so harsh, this is why I avoid politics discussion... touchy subject with me.
I am over it now....back to friendlier threads.

 

[Thomas Paine]

Luv2-whatever:

So your point is that it's OK for you to express your opinion because you're right, but everybody who disagrees with you should just hold their water in the interest of "unity?"

I'd like to tell you to go ahead and buy that ticket for me, buckaroo, say to Tahiti, but guess what, I ain't leaving. First of all, I was born here, as was everybody on my old man's side of the family all the way back to Plymouth fucking Rock. Furthermore, if I want to voice my disagreement with George Bush about any damn thing, I'll do so. It's not a privilege as you call it, but it's a right, my right as a citizen of this country.

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say we are all required to march in lockstep with the President in a time of national crisis. In fact, I would counter your argument for blind unity with this: If you don't like the way the President is doing things and you keep your mouth shut, then you're not doing your job as a citizen.

You stated your opinion that George Bush is a great leader and that he has surrounded himself with the absolute finest human beings possible. Fine, but that's just YOUR opinion and your stating it and restating it doesn't make it a fact. Other reasonable people feel differently and none of them are likely to be lining up for your offer of one-way tickets, so get over yourself.

Do you seriously believe that terrorists are sitting in their caves in Afghanistan watching CNN, saying "Look there are some American dogs who don't agree with Satan Bush. Praise be to Allah, we are victorious!!?" This country has a long history of disagreement and I think we're only the better for it.

I owe my loyalty and allegiance to the United States of America, not its president. And I'm staying right here...

 

[luv2tvl69]

Thomas Paine in the ass

NO point is...here is a sample of what i am hearing people complain about right now while we are being attacked (and I mean no disrespect for the people that have a problem with govt decisions or with who posted these--they are just a sample of what I hear all the time from many people)

"Cut federal spending on libraries by $39 million.

Cut $35 million in funding for doctors to get advanced pediatric training.

Abandoned a campaign pledge to invest $100 million for rain forest conservation

Closed White House Office for Women's Health Initiatives and Outreach. "


...This stuff is not important at THIS TIME---not forever, JUST RIGHT NOW! plain enough ENGLISH for you.
NOW IS NOT THE TIME FOR THIS KIND OF CRAP....there is a far more important issue to be worrying about right now. YOU HAVE TO PRIORITIZE. Is it so difficult for you to put aside for NOW, your vocalized criticisms of past issues so that we can take care of the matter at hand and stand together until we see what is going to happen with the current crisis? ...or are you so self-absorbed to think that your PRIVILEGE and RIGHT to vocalize your opinions matter more. Yes there are things I dont agree with that the president does, with govt in general. I dont want you to have my point of view....just to stand by your country (and that means the leadership of the country) that you supposedly love in a time of great trouble.

Here's a good example of a nice selfish attitude. We had closed early the night of the 11th so we could all be with our family...we were all in shock, afraid, and griefstricken. The next day some jerk comes in yelling at us that we closed early...when he came in to pick up some documents...how what we thought, we would be bombed...how we inconvenienced him...VERY NICE, SELF-ABSORBED MAN WHO DOESNT HAVE A CLUE TO HOW UNIMPORTANT HE/AND HIS OPINIONS REALLY ARE.

The president didnt want this to happen, but it did and now he needs our help by sticking together in masses to show the world this is unacceptable, that it needs to be ended now, and its not gonna happen by asking nicely, or discussing...its just gonna get worse. Cant you just let go of his past mistakes (or so-called mistakes depending on your individual opinion) and support him in this difficult task. NOT IN EVERYTHING.... just in taking care of our nations security...our worlds security --FOR NOW. Do you want to live like this with fear and terrorism as a daily occurance in our country? Yes every city has its violence problems...but this is so much more global... Give the man a chance. He will make mistakes....dont you? haven't you ever made mistakes??? People vocalizing dissention will only spread it...in a time of attack that is not what is best for the country.

 

[Guest]

Thomas - you hit the nail on the head. I would also like to add that it's ironic that the same people who went after Clinton unmercifully are now having screaming fits whenever Bush is criticized. Your "Respect The Office" bullshit wears pretty thin after the clubbing you gave Bill. Excuse me if I fail to take you seriously. luv2tvl69 - can you honestly say you never criticized Clinton? I'll bet you still tell blowjob jokes.

Free speech is a God-given right, honey. If you really want to be a good American, quit waving your flag around and shouting out bigoted "love it or leave it" slogans. Go read the constitution of the United States. Freedom doesn't mean "Freedom to do whatever luv2tvl69 thinks is o.k." It means I have the freedom to say whatever I feel like, whenever I feel like, just as the Clinton-bashers did for 8 long years. I can and I will criticize my government if and when I feel it is necessary. You and your pro-censorship, anti-American nonsense cannot stop me.

 

[luv2tvl69]

Vic Victorious and everyone else

Yes I criticized the communist we had as president....but we were not being phsyically attacked....if we were, I would keep my negative opinions of him to myself during the time of crisis....and support him and our country. I wouldnt make 1 joke of his numerous past errors in judgement or mistakes, or communist actions. I would put aside all my personal feelings for the more important issue at hand.

When we were in a safe place again....then my personal opinions would matter. Not until then.

I will NOT REPLY any longer to this post or anyone else posting here. I've shared enough thoughts with this post--I didnt want a debate or discussion just a simple request from 1 human being who is very scared with the way of the world right now. I nicely asked everyone to just put aside for the time being personal criticisms of our leaders and our country...so we can show the world what UNITED States is about. I am not saying love the president, agree with the president, accept our government's flaws, or to agree with my opinion.
Just to remember that a country divided will never be able to succeed in making us safe again...when you spread dissention you divide the country. THAT IS SAD

 

[sigh]

psssst...luv2, hon...bill clinton was a lot of things, and for the most part he was a hedonist prick, but in no way could he be misconstrued as a communist...tossing around such rhetoric won't help your cause...it just makes you look like a fool

and you're not a fool...you're concerned and worried and angry...anybody who's not, would indeed be a fool

but if this war is to last for years, we can't spend those years blinded to everything else that needs doing...in every war, all through our history, we've never forgotten to take care of our own

you want to talk priorities? i have a 9 year old son with autism, and the years it'll take for this war to run its course will be the last chance he will ever have to find a way to live in a world that wasn't meant for him...he needs services at a level that i simply can't provide on my own

don't tell me that i'm being selfish when i worry that money for this war's bombs will soon come from funds that once paid for his therapists

don't you dare say that

 

[Guest]

Re: Vic Victorious and everyone else

Yes I criticized the communist we had as president....but we were not being phsyically attacked....

What a wonderful display of logic! It's okay to be disrespectful and divisive so long as we aren't being attacked. That makes loads of sense! Your hypocrisy is only surpassed by your complete disregard for the principles that make America strong. You call Clinton a Communist while at the same time demanding that others either adhere to your views or leave the country. To top it off, you have the nerve to call yourself an American? You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

I will NOT REPLY any longer to this post or anyone else posting here. I've shared enough thoughts with this post--I didnt want a debate or discussion just a simple request from 1 human being who is very scared with the way of the world right now.

That simple request demanded that the world censor itself for your comfort. You freely admit that you took advantage of your right to protest. Now it's other citizens' turns. You don't have to like what they say, but you have no right to censor them. It's not their fault that your party nominated a man who is so totally incompetent that America is praying his cabinet can somehow muddle through this mess.

 

[lavender]

 

[Thomas Paine]

Well, Luv2, this is probably an empty gesture since you've sworn not to grace us with any further commentary, but I can't resist.

Sorry to hear you had a bad night at Kinko's, but that hardly justifies your cry for buying the world a Coke and teaching them to sing in perfect harmony -- with you.

First of all, I haven't heard a peep about domestic political issues since last Tuesday. Maybe you should check the date on the newspapers you've been reading. Most people do recognize priorities, but even that doesn't mean that everything else is forgotten during the "war effort."

Secondly, you have done a poor job of creating a bi-partisan smokescreen to obscure your partisan political views. Most good Americans have put partisanship aside for the moment, so when are YOU going to get with the program?

I'm sorry you ended up with unwanted "debate or discussion" but that seems to be the way it goes in this country you claim to know so much about -- drop a turd in a punchbowl and something may splash on you.

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

Hold on, Lavs? This is the kind of stuff that makes you proud to be a democrat?

Yuck.

 

[Guest]

Re: Thomas Paine in the ass

"Cut federal spending on libraries by $39 million.

Cut $35 million in funding for doctors to get advanced pediatric training.

Abandoned a campaign pledge to invest $100 million for rain forest conservation

Closed White House Office for Women's Health Initiatives and Outreach. "


...This stuff is not important at THIS TIME---not forever, JUST RIGHT NOW! plain enough ENGLISH for you.
NOW IS NOT THE TIME FOR THIS KIND OF CRAP...

.there is a far more important issue to be worrying about right now. YOU HAVE TO PRIORITIZE.

People vocalizing dissention will only spread it...in a time of attack that is not what is best for the country.

So ummm... libraries and health care aren't important because we're at war? i can't think of another time when those two things could be more important. the people of afghanistan sure would like to have healthcare, especially the women. i bet libraries would be appreciated too... these 'unimportant issues' are so vital to the health of this country that they can't be pushed aside because we don't have time for them.

if people didn't voice dissension at the risk of spreading it, we'd still be english colonies... with slaves... and women couldn't vote... and the jews would be dead, because no one would have spoken against hitler.

Dissension and the voicing of it is one thing we can do to keep our leaders 'in line' so to speak. It's ironic that it was all over the internet the night of the 11th that Bush was giving the impression of being a coward when he didn't return to washington... that his speech sucked... that he looked like a robot... all kinds of shit. and that second, his 'brilliant minds' began revamping his image... he was made to memorize speaches instead of reading them... he was told to show more emotion... many changes were made. they were obvious when he gave his speech thursday. i don't like the man, but for him, it was a well done public appearance. if we had all sat around saying, "Oh, what a great man... he's so wonderful... even when we didn't think it, would he have pulled his head out of his ass?

 

[Guest]

Re: Vic Victorious and everyone else

Yes I criticized the communist we had as president....but we were not being phsyically attacked....if we were, I would keep my negative opinions of him to myself during the time of crisis....and support him and our country. I wouldnt make 1 joke of his numerous past errors in judgement or mistakes, or communist actions. I would put aside all my personal feelings for the more important issue at hand.

Bill Clinton was a Socialist, not a Communist. There IS a difference, ask a Canadian.

 

[ccb2]

Clinton's gone.....enough.

Clinton was, is and always will be an embarrasing figure to say the least.
Personally, I'm glad this didn't happen when he was in the White
House. At this time I support our government and trust that they will pursue justice in the best interest of our country. I'm not a republican nor democrat, rather an independent voter who shows blind faith in no party. I agree that all of us have a right to
voice our opinions....being mindful of what's happening around us at the time we choose to voice these opinions, as , unfortunately,
some of our congressmen were not.

Sign me.....Proud American