Time to Abolish Barbarism Once and For All

[jaF0]

It recently came to my attention that the U.S. is the only Western Industrialized nation to still openly practice the barbaric act of executing citizens.

Only a few Eastern industrialized countries have it, but they don't really use it.

"The only other country in the Americas to have performed an execution in the last 10 years is Saint Kitts and Nevis, in 2008."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_country#Americas

Even Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela have abolished it or no longer practice it.


It's a tool for terrorists and Middle East countries stuck in the dark ages.

 

[phrodeau]

Blame the Koran for the Middle East.

For Arkansas, blame the Bible.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Might as well call for disarming the citizens.

 

[someoneyouknow]

It's not barbaric to get rid of criminals who have killed or raped others.

 

[Hard_Rom]

It's not barbaric to get rid of criminals who have killed or raped others.

Intellectually I disagree. While certainly not a practicing Christian, our culture generally says "Thou shalt not kill". And even Old testament types might agree that death for rape is not 'eye for an eye'. And that extends to governments too. Capital punishment is supposed to be a deterrent not an ultimate punishment.

From an emotional POV perhaps capital punishment is just for the worst of crimes. Emotionally I would cut the penis off a multiple rapist. But that comes across as even more barbaric than hanging the bastard.

We are too soft on certain criminals. Prison at times seems to be a bit of a holiday for some of them. Take for example prisoners gaining huge weight in jail. Waste of money overfeeding criminals. Now I have never been in jail so maybe it is not as soft as it appears to be, 'sometimes'.

But there are stories of even the worst criminals repenting and moving beyond their criminal pasts. There is always hope. Not that does much for their victims though.

Myself I think I like the idea of penal colonies. Drop the worst of them off on some frozen rock in the middle of the ocean with the bare necessities and let them form their own society. Drop the worst of the murderers and rapist off there and if they get raped and/or murdered so be it.

 

[jaF0]

Myself I think I like the idea of penal colonies. Drop the worst of them off on some frozen rock in the middle of the ocean with the bare necessities and let them form their own society. Drop the worst of the murderers and rapist off there and if they get raped and/or murdered so be it.

I think England tried that once. Way around the other side of the world on the bottom.

 

[someoneyouknow]

Intellectually I disagree. While certainly not a practicing Christian, our culture generally says "Thou shalt not kill".

The actual commandment is thou shalt not murder, though depending on which parchment one reads it is also thou shall not kill. However, kill means unlawful killing.

There is no prohibition in any of the Abrahamic texts against putting to death a murderer or rapist.

 

[Hard_Rom]

I think England tried that once. Way around the other side of the world on the bottom.

England did the colonizing colony thing. I'm thinking more the Devil's Island French thing or worse.

 

[Hard_Rom]

The actual commandment is thou shalt not murder, though depending on which parchment one reads it is also thou shall not kill. However, kill means unlawful killing.

There is no prohibition in any of the Abrahamic texts against putting to death a murderer or rapist.

I believe it is 'thou shalt not kill'.

Death certificate for capital punishment says cause of death 'homicide'.

 

[jaF0]

England did the colonizing colony thing. I'm thinking more the Devil's Island French thing or worse.

Umm, Australia?

 

[Hard_Rom]

Umm, Australia?

Too warm.

I was thinking more like Prince Patrick Island. Calculate costs of life sentence or death sentence criminals in the US and we will take them off your hands for that minus 15%.

http://www.bouletfermat.com/backgrounds/canada_circa_1900/canadian_arctic_map_c1900_1600x1200.jpg

 

[someoneyouknow]

I believe it is 'thou shalt not kill'.

Death certificate for capital punishment says cause of death 'homicide'.

As I said, it depends on which text you're reading. Both are acceptable but people mistakenly believe the not kill part means not killing, period. It means unlawful killing.

The state is free to kill people who murder, have incest, bestiality, cursing their parents and homosexual acts, among other items, according to the original texts.

 

[Hard_Rom]

As I said, it depends on which text you're reading. Both are acceptable but people mistakenly believe the not kill part means not killing, period. It means unlawful killing.

The state is free to kill people who murder, have incest, bestiality, cursing their parents and homosexual acts, among other items, according to the original texts.

The original text was just one of 10 lines on a stone tablet. No mention of state sanctioned murder. The rest was just amendments to the 10 commandments.

 

[AnAmericanDarling]

Capital punishment is for the dark ages. America is an outdated institution for killing those on death row. There's no sense in killing people to say killing people is wrong - it doesn't matter if they're murderers or rapists. No civilized country should practice it.

Not to mention the method we now use - which is Lethal Injection - is screwy as hell. Every time I turn around, an execution has tortured and caused the inmate a slow death because of something gone wrong in the method - something wasn't administered correctly, there was too much of this or that, etc. It's a complicated process, one that cannot be mastered by humans.

One more issue I have with this. They often kill innocent people. Illinois (the state in which I live) had to put a temporary stop to executions because officials found they were executing innocent people. Executions - as far as I know - have not been put back in place. Now a place like Texas, where they're kill-happy, I'm sure they've knocked off more than a few innocents.

 

[phrodeau]

The actual commandment is thou shalt not murder, though depending on which parchment one reads it is also thou shall not kill. However, kill means unlawful killing.

There is no prohibition in any of the Abrahamic texts against putting to death a murderer or rapist.

It's a matter of interpretation. Actually, if you read Exodus or Deuteronomy in Hebrew, the entire commandment is a single word, meaning "murder". Here's how the commandments read in Hebrew, #5 through #9:

Honor father mother Lord God commands days lengthen rejoice land Lord God gives
Murder
Fornicate
Steal
Tell lies about friends

 

[Hard_Rom]

Justice is never perfect. How's that saying go 'better that ten guilty should escape than that one innocent suffer'.

 

[oggbashan]

I think England tried that once. Way around the other side of the world on the bottom.

Before that we sent them to the 13 Colonies in America. 1776 meant we had to find somewhere else, so Australia started accepting convicts in 1788.

I would suggest South Georgia as a base for US convicts...

 

[Hard_Rom]

Before that we sent them to the 13 Colonies in America. 1776 meant we had to find somewhere else, so Australia started accepting convicts in 1788.

I would suggest South Georgia as a base for US convicts...

That will just annoy the Argentinians. They might grant prisoners Argentine citizenship and a pardon for help retaking the islands. Plus I doubt murderer and rapist will treat the fragile ecosystem well. Perpetually frozen Prince Patrick island would be best IMO.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Capital punishment is for the dark ages. America is an outdated institution for killing those on death row. There's no sense in killing people to say killing people is wrong - it doesn't matter if they're murderers or rapists. No civilized country should practice it.

Not to mention the method we now use - which is Lethal Injection - is screwy as hell. Every time I turn around, an execution has tortured and caused the inmate a slow death because of something gone wrong in the method - something wasn't administered correctly, there was too much of this or that, etc. It's a complicated process, one that cannot be mastered by humans.

One more issue I have with this. They often kill innocent people. Illinois (the state in which I live) had to put a temporary stop to executions because officials found they were executing innocent people. Executions - as far as I know - have not been put back in place. Now a place like Texas, where they're kill-happy, I'm sure they've knocked off more than a few innocents.

The majority of the population, at least in CA, favors capital punishment.

Propositions 62 and 66[edit]

Main articles: California Proposition 62 (2016) and California Proposition 66 (2016)

On November 8, 2016, California voted on two competing initiatives about capital punishment. Proposition 62 which, as Proposition 34, would have abolished the death penalty, was rejected by a 54-46 margin. The other initiative, Proposition 66, provides the streamlining of the capital appeal process, and also requires death-row offenders to work in jail and pay restitutions to victims families, something they were previously exempted from. The measure passed 51-49.[5]

 

[someoneyouknow]

Even India agrees:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/05/asia/india-gang-rape-death-penalty/index.html

 

[Boxlicker101]

Even India agrees:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/05/asia/india-gang-rape-death-penalty/index.html

Good. These guys really have it coming. I would gladly volunteer to personally tie the rope around every one of their necks.

 

[domroger]

I think England tried that once. Way around the other side of the world on the bottom.

They did it twice ,before that they dumped their rubbish in America.

 

[Boxlicker101]

They did it twice ,before that they dumped their rubbish in America.

In GA mostly, where they became Democrats.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

I agree in the abstract. If they want to kill Ted Bundy I am not going to complain. But given how f'ed up the crim justice system is, I wouldn't complain if they did away with it, either. It's quite often not administered fairly, I don't think.

It's not barbaric to get rid of criminals who have killed or raped others.

 

[jaF0]

I agree in the abstract. If they want to kill Ted Bundy I am not going to complain. But given how f'ed up the crim justice system is, I wouldn't complain if they did away with it, either. It's quite often not administered fairly, I don't think.

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/executed-possibly-innocent

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution

http://www.criminaljusticedegreesguide.com/features/10-infamous-cases-of-wrongful-execution.html