Tim Walz strikes a blow against democracy

[BeatMan]

Tim Walz has proven once again that our founding fathers were smarter than any of the Democrats who serve in our councils today. The founding fathers established a form of government specifically designed not be quick and expedient, but also to garner consensus and prevent despotism and undue foreign influence.


Tim Walz’s calls for elimination of the Electoral College are just another attempt by Democrats to remove the guardrails that protect our country and the presidency. The founding fathers knew that there was no more important part of setting up our system of government than the method of electing the chief magistrate of the United States. As Alexander Hamilton noted in Federalist 68, the method they came up with “is almost the only part of the system, of any consequence, which has escaped without severe censure, or which has received the slightest mark of approbation from its opponents.” Hamilton also stated, “I venture somewhat further, and hesitate not to affirm, that if the manner of it be not perfect, it is at least excellent. It unites in an eminent degree all the advantages, the union of which was to be wished for.”

It is an oversimplification to state that the Electoral College is designed only to prevent larger states from controlling smaller states’ choice of president. The actual goal of the Electoral College is to insulate the selection of the president from undue domestic and foreign influence by placing his selection in the hands of temporary direct representatives of the people of each state, rather than one political body. The founding fathers felt this was desirable “to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder.”

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2024/10/tim_walz_strikes_a_blow_against_democracy.html

 

[Bn2f]

Well, I betcha didn’t know that America is not a democracy but rather a republic so there!

 

[Rebel5soul]

Hopefully Walz will be eliminated from high office this election cycle.

Hmmm, did that dildo resign as governor?

 

[high99]

The electoral college is the most undemocratic principle ever devised. USA cannot call itself a democracy if the majority of the people who vote have to settle for a different outcome.

 

[lessOHmo]

Well, I betcha didn’t know that America is not a democracy but rather a republic so there!

Stfu black thug

 

[Bn2f]

Hopefully Walz will be eliminated from high office this election cycle.

Hmmm, did that dildo resign as governor?

Yes! You are correct. He resigned as governor just as Vance resigned in the Senate.

 

[TomTeacher19]

The electoral college is racist in it's own history and creation and it is against the actual philosophy of every person having an equal vote. It's moronic and embarrassing to pretend we have a good governmental system at all when we continue to cling to it. It disenfranchises millions of voters every single time. Sorry but any support of it means you are flat out a bad American.

 

[Bn2f]

Stfu black thug

I’ve never stated my race here but I will admit that like you - I’ve got an affinity with black lives.

Yeah! Fist bump ! You know what I’m talking about! Lol

 

[SevMax2]

Tim Walz has proven once again that our founding fathers were smarter than any of the Democrats who serve in our councils today. The founding fathers established a form of government specifically designed not be quick and expedient, but also to garner consensus and prevent despotism and undue foreign influence.


Tim Walz’s calls for elimination of the Electoral College are just another attempt by Democrats to remove the guardrails that protect our country and the presidency. The founding fathers knew that there was no more important part of setting up our system of government than the method of electing the chief magistrate of the United States. As Alexander Hamilton noted in Federalist 68, the method they came up with “is almost the only part of the system, of any consequence, which has escaped without severe censure, or which has received the slightest mark of approbation from its opponents.” Hamilton also stated, “I venture somewhat further, and hesitate not to affirm, that if the manner of it be not perfect, it is at least excellent. It unites in an eminent degree all the advantages, the union of which was to be wished for.”

It is an oversimplification to state that the Electoral College is designed only to prevent larger states from controlling smaller states’ choice of president. The actual goal of the Electoral College is to insulate the selection of the president from undue domestic and foreign influence by placing his selection in the hands of temporary direct representatives of the people of each state, rather than one political body. The founding fathers felt this was desirable “to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder.”

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2024/10/tim_walz_strikes_a_blow_against_democracy.html

Actually, the Electoral College was a compromise, among many, between the idea of popular election, which didn't appeal to most of the Framers (and had real, practical issues at a time when the country was much more sparsely populated and the technology was less efficient), and the idea of Congressional election of the President by the House and the Vice-President by the Senate. The Constitution was a collection of compromises that were necessary to ensure ratification. There is nothing sacrosanct about such compromise measures. There is an argument to be made that Southern, slave-holding states also wanted the Electoral College to avoid the issue of being outvoted by Northern states since a huge percentage of their own populations, i.e. slaves, couldn't vote.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Hopefully Walz will be eliminated from high office this election cycle.

Hmmm, did that dildo resign as governor?

Piss poor deflection attempt. a 6 on a scale of 1-to-HisArpy.

DeSantis didn't resign when he ran for president.
Jay Dee Vance didn't resign when he ran for vice president.
It's no longer necessary to resign one office to run for another.
It's become a relic of different age.

 

[Chernosoth]

It's the usual short term thinking. When the Dems have a Senate majority but less than 60 votes, they want to abolish the filibuster. When they have a minority, they need the filibuster. If they abolish the electoral college, they get a short term advantage until the Pubs adapt and win later. They are also pushing the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, a set of state laws to get the same result without a constitutional amendment. It will probably fizzle out with party realignment, the nation becoming more rural with most of the population moving back to farms and small towns, and entire states becoming depopulated by climate change. Walzy is preaching to the choir.

 

[Bn2f]

Actually, the Electoral College was a compromise, among many, between the idea of popular election, which didn't appeal to most of the Framers (and had real, practical issues at a time when the country was much more sparsely populated and the technology was less efficient), and the idea of Congressional election of the President by the House and the Vice-President by the Senate. The Constitution was a collection of compromises that were necessary to ensure ratification. There is nothing sacrosanct about such compromise measures. There is an argument to be made that Southern, slave-holding states also wanted the Electoral College to avoid the issue of being outvoted by Northern states since a huge percentage of their own populations, i.e. slaves, couldn't vote.

Little for me to argue here with but since it’s been noted by less that I’m either a N or a N lover, trust me, that’s what he would like to say - ya could’ve put the last sentence first.

 

[ll74]

Add more house seats. No need to eliminate the EC.

 

[Bn2f]

Actually, the Electoral College was a compromise

I couldn’t help but notice that lately you’ve been spending a good bit of your time having to fact check and correct members here on the right more so than anyone else. As an independent, don’t you get tired of doing that? Just wonderin.

 

[Bn2f]

Add more house seats. No need to eliminate the EC.

For clarification, there’s a cap on that number but you’re advocating for it to be changed. Correct?

 

[SevMax2]

I couldn’t help but notice that lately you’ve been spending a good bit of your time having to fact check and correct members here on the right more so than anyone else. As an independent, don’t you get tired of doing that? Just wonderin.

Unfortunately, I'm used to having to fact check and correct people in general. It's part of my curse as an autistic person with pedantic tendencies. The focus tends to be on factual accuracy, even at the risk of what is sometimes called "info dumping." I've mostly given up with my own family, though. It's more trouble than it's worth.

 

[ll74]

For clarification, there’s a cap on that number but you’re advocating for it to be changed. Correct?

Correct. Congress can lift that cap.

 

[Bn2f]

Unfortunately, I'm used to having to fact check and correct people in general. It's part of my curse as an autistic person with pedantic tendencies. The focus tends to be on factual accuracy, even at the risk of what is sometimes called "info dumping." I've mostly given up with my own family, though. It's more trouble than it's worth.

Yeah. I get that but I’m more asking if, as with family, have you noticed a particular group that you have been having to correct more?

 

[Bn2f]

Correct. Congress can lift that cap.

Ok. Would you be inclined to think that whichever party that’s in the majority or that’s most benefiting from the EC would also be opposed to raising that number?

 

[Pad_Foot]

Something needs to change. Washington DC voters are being taxed without representation!! Absolutely unAmerican !!

Puerto Rico at least deserves to be free of our shipping rules. Do they want to be part of America ?

Proportional Voting according to whatever happens with EC. Every vote should count! You can’t disenfranchise 49% of a state!! It’s bullshit!!

Gerrymandering???? Kill it !!

Washington DC ; 671,803 (2022)

Puerto Rico : 3.222 million (2022)
(That’s a lot of taxes that could be paid!)

49. Vermont (2023 est.) 647,464.
(2020) 643,077
50. Wyoming (2023 est.) 584,057
(2020) 576,851

 

[Bn2f]

Correct. Congress can lift that cap.

Not agreeing or disagreeing. Would love a spirited debate on this after the election but just pointing out how in today.’s political climate what would appear easy quickly turns into the almost impossible.

 

[SevMax2]

Something needs to change. Washington DC voters are being taxed without representation!! Absolutely unAmerican !!

Puerto Rico at least deserves to be free of our shipping rules. Do they want to be part of America ?

Proportional Voting according to whatever happens with EC. Every vote should count! You can’t disenfranchise 49% of a state!! It’s bullshit!!

Gerrymandering???? Kill it !!

Okay, this all makes a lot of sense, actually. It would certainly both protect the rights of the disenfranchised minorities (both political, racial, etc.) and ensure that there is proper representation of all citizens, especially given the idea of taxed people being unrepresented as the original motive for the American Revolution. I think that Puerto Rico either needs to become a state or an independent republic.

 

[ll74]

Not agreeing or disagreeing. Would love a spirited debate on this after the election but just pointing out how in today.’s political climate what would appear easy quickly turns into the almost impossible.

If your argument is that "in today's political environment, passing legislation is difficult", then I would expect that you would address how enacting a Constitutional amendment is any easier and not in fact, much more difficult.

I don't like "well we can't because they won't let us" arguments. It means you haven't properly argued your points to influence others.

 

[Bn2f]

If your argument is that "in today's political environment, passing legislation is difficult", then I would expect that you would address how enacting a Constitutional amendment is any easier and not in fact, much more difficult.

I don't like "well we can't because they won't let us" arguments. It means you haven't properly argued your points to influence others.

No. Not saying that. Nancy Mace is my rep. Whether I voted for her or not, I expect elected officials to do work in congress. This is just an opinion. Post 19 was my more relevant question.

Ok. Would you be inclined to think that whichever party that’s in the majority or that’s most benefiting from the EC would also be opposed to raising that number?

 

[ll74]

Ok. Would you be inclined to think that whichever party that’s in the majority or that’s most benefiting from the EC would also be opposed to raising that number?

Compromises. They're tough.

Amendments are tougher.