Thrust and hold?

[muttley44]

Yes, I've posted about this, here and here.

Hmm. I guess I'm confused. I always thought the AFE zone/Anterior fornix, g-crest were all shallower than the cervix and when you get past it it's the Cul de sac/Posterior fornix/Pouch of Douglas.

 

[muttley44]

It can vary,even for the same woman.

Depends how far you go. When a woman is highly aroused (I mean not the usual friday night arousement - one can get a couple orgasms before this starts happening), her cervix rides up, and her vagina "tents", making a nice little spot to hold tight to those little swimmers.

My wife had a hysterectomy 5 months ago and with the absence of her cervix we've observed some interesting things. I always thought that "going too deep" meant I was banging into her cervix before she had time/arousal for it to ride up. Not so; there is a point where deep thrusting is painful, but after a few orgasms I can bang away. For her anyway it wasn't her cervix that was at issue.

With me, if I am not aroused enough, it is a no-no. If it is sufficient, I go along, but will feel pain a couple of hours afterwards. If I am truly gone, there is no pain, and sometimes I forget what happened too

Over the weekend my wife and I went through the first fuck-fest weekend since her surgery and I tried the thrust and hold. Too early and I get the, "Why the hell are you stopping! Fuck me!" exclamation... but later on I do the same thing and she just goes wild. It's all about timing on that one.

Although when I tried the "Thrust and hold and pry and stretch" - she just went wild every time during missionary. I can't seem to do it well on doggy (although we didn't try it with her flat on her belly).

Research. I need to do more research!

 

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ah, the guys in this place

Research. I need to do more research!

Well, I am truly for your wife, that she has made a full recovery, and that she gets to commemorate it with such a commiited partner.

The journey is also part of the fun, so enjoy your research!

Maharat

 

[eudaemonia]

Hmm. I guess I'm confused. I always thought the AFE zone/Anterior fornix, g-crest were all shallower than the cervix and when you get past it it's the Cul de sac/Posterior fornix/Pouch of Douglas.

No, I don't think so. Or at least that's not what I uncovered when researching this (for a another post on Lit). AFE is just opposite the posterior (fornix) in women with tipped uteruses.

Here are a couple of illustrations. The upper image is drawn without a cervix that extends into the vaginal canal. While the bottom drawing is somewhat exaggerated, it does get the point across about the cul-de-sac being something closer to a 360º area around the cervix, rather than just a space on "one side" of the uterine entrance.

The only reason I bring this up is because I'm one of those with a very pronounced tip to my uterus and can stimulate this fornix region on the anterior "side" of my cervix quite easily, in addition to the posterior area.

Some women report that it's extremely intense and pleasurable to be touched there, whether with a penis or finger(s) or toy. Speaking only for myself, the thrust and hold "method" in the missionary position is nearly foolproof for a really, really good O. (Need I say, "your mileage may vary?")

There's another illustration around here somewhere that's a bit better. I'll see if I can find it and post again.

UPDATE: Found it!

http://www.a-womans-touch.com/article/33/159/T_Zone_Arousal_Technique.html

In women, the T Zone can be indirectly massaged through the anterior wall (toward the belly button) of the vagina; in men, prostate massage (through the rectal wall) pushes the prostate forward (and up) to massage the T Zone.

The G-spot and the T Zone are not the same structure. As you can see in the diagram, the T Zone is located much deeper than the G-spot (aka the female prostate). While some people massage the G-spot with resulting pleasure, we find in conversations with our customers that women describe two distinct areas of intra-vaginal massage that are exciting to them. One is the G-spot, which fewer women enjoy; the other is the T Zone, which more women enjoy. The T Zone can be challenging to massage because it's quite deep inside the body - as deep as or deeper than the tip of the cervix.

It does seem as though there are a number of different erogenous spots, and we hope that we are not adding to the confusion. The concept of the T Zone is based on anatomical research findings. We think some of the confusion has come about because the early descriptions of the "G spot" (from the 1500s) placed the spot at what we are calling the T Zone, while descriptions in this century had the "G spot" slip down a bit to become located in the paraurethral tissue.

As for the name, there are other descriptions of the same anatomical site: trigone of the urinary bladder, anterior fornix erogenous area, AFE zone, etc., but they seem like a mouthful to say. "T Zone" is an accurate and more straightforward name.

I've found a bit in the academic literature, too, if anyone is interested. (Funny, I didn't think that 24/7 access to online journals would be such a huge "benefit" of graduate school until I realized that that included access to law and medical journals, too!)

 

[Straight-8]

While I agree that timing is important about when to thrust and hold I have also found that what pushes my partner over the edge is to use a slight variation on the 'hold'. That is, as I 'hold' and she is getting extremely turned on, for me to start pulsing my cock (i.e. doing 'kegels'). I assume it is the pulsing pressure against the fornix/cervix that simulates orgasm for me stimulates orgasm for her!

Does this mean I am 'faking' cumming?

As Eudomania says 'your mileage may vary' but this is one of those little techniques that has often resulted in a very satisfied partner for me.

 

[eudaemonia]

That is, as I 'hold' and she is getting extremely turned on, for me to start pulsing my cock (i.e. doing 'kegels'). I assume it is the pulsing pressure against the fornix/cervix that simulates orgasm for me stimulates orgasm for her!

Yes yes yes yes! I loooove this and let my partners know that without a doubt that this really sends me over the edge. Which, of course, they've mostly been happy to do ... over and over and over.

I'm really glad you brought up this fine point, precisely because of the mutual satisfaction derived. A couple of guys I've been with were very conscious of working their Kegels on the "hold" and (OhMy!) it was quite noticeable and *very* erotic.

Thanks for sharing!

 

[muttley44]

Great information all around!! eudaemonia, you're explanation sounded good. I have to re-read that in the morning to give a more coherent reply.

I haven't tried the whole kegel while she cums. I've kegeled to make her cum, but not the other way around. Excellent!

I've heard the frequency of a woman's orgasmic spasms are equal to that of a man's in order to aid in pumping the semen from his cock and sucking it up into her uterus. This makes total sense now why my orgasms almost always induce her orgasms.

I can feel my brain swelling with delight!

 

[muttley44]

Well, I am truly for your wife, that she has made a full recovery, and that she gets to commemorate it with such a commiited partner.

Thank you very much.

The journey is also part of the fun, so enjoy your research!

We're hoping for a hard ride on a very slippery road for years to come.

 

[muttley44]

Here are a couple of illustrations. The upper image is drawn without a cervix that extends into the vaginal canal. While the bottom drawing is somewhat exaggerated, it does get the point across about the cul-de-sac being something closer to a 360º area around the cervix, rather than just a space on "one side" of the uterine entrance.

Here's mine:
http://www.bartleby.com/107/illus1166.html

Although it doesn't have the AFE or cul-de-sac labeled, the fornices are.

I can't find the link now, but the enclosed jpg file has the fornices with the cul-de-sac. Unfortunately it is 2-D, so you still be right in that the region is a ring, not a spot.

The only reason I bring this up is because I'm one of those with a very pronounced tip to my uterus and can stimulate this fornix region on the anterior "side" of my cervix quite easily, in addition to the posterior area.

Someone I briefly dated had a cervix that felt like half a golf ball inside her. She'd sit on top of me, reverse cowgirl, and just work on her cervix with my frenulum. These were very slight, very intense nudges. Yeah... sorry to divert off the topic, just reminiscing.

Speaking of tipped uterus, another friend mentioned that she hated doggy because of her tipped uterus. I don't understand?

There's another illustration around here somewhere that's a bit better. I'll see if I can find it and post again.

UPDATE: Found it!

http://www.a-womans-touch.com/article/33/159/T_Zone_Arousal_Technique.html

That seemed to have covered all the bases. Everything beyod the g-spot is the T-zone. Although they're all labels, it is fun to be able to isolate certain zones, work it until exhaustion, move to a different zone, work on that for a bit. Rinse, repeat, rinse.

On another sidenote, all this discussion once again refutes the whole notion that there is no feeling deeper than 3" inside a vagina.

I've found a bit in the academic literature, too, if anyone is interested. (Funny, I didn't think that 24/7 access to online journals would be such a huge "benefit" of graduate school until I realized that that included access to law and medical journals, too!)

Me! Me! Me!!

I'm a total geek when it comes to sex (obviously). This is one of those good addictions I try cultivating within myself. Others are martial arts and the stock market.

 

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AFE/retroversion

Someone I briefly dated had a cervix that felt like half a golf ball inside her. She'd sit on top of me, reverse cowgirl, and just work on her cervix with my frenulum. These were very slight, very intense nudges. Yeah... sorry to divert off the topic, just reminiscing.

Speaking of tipped uterus, another friend mentioned that she hated doggy because of her tipped uterus. I don't understand?

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On another sidenote, all this discussion once again refutes the whole notion that there is no feeling deeper than 3" inside a vagina.


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I'm a total geek when it comes to sex (obviously). This is one of those good addictions I try cultivating within myself. Others are martial arts and the stock market.

I would be very happy to receive the text in the medical journals.

A tipped/retroverted uterus is a uterus that points to the spine, instead of the front of the body. It can be quite hard to deal with.

Now I know why I found the AFE so easily. I am blessed!

Maharat