Through Him I Have Discovered Freedom

[RJMasters]

In all fairness, the flamatory language used in the essay merited many of the responses that came forth. It is not surprising that defensive responses were voiced, however what I felt missing here in all of this was an effort on anyone's part to ascertain how a person could arrive at such a narrow minded perspective. IMO there was a great opportunity here to ask questions that might lead to a better understanding of how some women could see things this way. I also beleived it may have been an opportunity to help expand this person's mind. Because if all we ever do is beat people down and make them retreat, we only succeed in embitering them more, and closing their minds more.

There were some honest questions that could have been legitmately answered. Three such questions that was asked in the essay was..."Freedom from what? Freedom from who? Where does freedom exist?

Freedom from what? - Well freedom from oppression.
Freedom from who? - Historically it would be men who oppressed women however today women are doing a fine job in oppressing each other.
Where does freedom exist? - I think MW hit on it by highlighting the quote "“Freedom is not the license to do whatever you desire, but is the opportunity to become who you are.” (Sartre)"

Freedom exists where there is the opportunity to be free. The concept being related in the above quote is all well and good, but freedom is not just a concept and it certainly is not freedom unless it can be lived and experienced. The point and case is that women were oppressed historically because they were denied the opportunity to become who they choose to be. This "opportunity" was denied women, by men, by refusing to allow them any rights or ownership of property and a mirad of other things. Simply put, they were not allowed to choose to be who they wanted, the choice was made for them and clear effort was put forth to deny them any chance to have the means to make such a choice.

If the words "all women" could be replaced by "some women" in the essay presented here, I think it would not be all that bad of a piece. I think the statement I disagreed with the most, aside from the all-inclusive nature was that women were designed to be subservient. I certainly would like to know how a person arrives at such a perspective as this. Perhaps giving credit where credit is due this can be traced back to her PYL where she claims such teaching and thoughts stem. In which case I would invite him to step up and defend his view instead of sending his submissive out to be fodder.

 

[Netzach]

The oppression of women by men is not an archaeological relic and the oppression of women by each other is not a news flash.


I'd be so much more down with it, as I am in the case of a lot of the women of Lit if someone came along and said "God I feel so great when Master tells me what to do and beats my ass, I feel so liberated from being who I'm not."

It's honest and it's real. It's also taking ownership of your own shit instead of having to find a philo-biological reason you might be twisted.

 

[RJMasters]

The oppression of women by men is not an archaeological relic and the oppression of women by each other is not a news flash.


I'd be so much more down with it, as I am in the case of a lot of the women of Lit if someone came along and said "God I feel so great when Master tells me what to do and beats my ass, I feel so liberated from being who I'm not."

It's honest and it's real. It's also taking ownership of your own shit instead of having to find a philo-biological reason you might be twisted.

A good point to made, if there was anyone or anything left of the person on who it would have done the most good.

 

[babiesmiles]

semantic hijack alert

Like many of you know English is not my first language so after reading the initial post ( yep I did it ) I was wondering if in English the words " subservient " and "submissive" have the same meaning and are interchangeable .

That because if I make a literal translation in my own language they are not , and under that light the whole post assumes a meaning even more disagreeable .

I don't want analyse the contents of the " essay" above mentioned cause I mainly share the opinions of other posters who expressed them far better than I could do in a lifetime.

On the other side I call my PYL Master , and I noticed some perplexities about the use , among others, of this way of denominate the person one has submitted to.

I am not going to justify my ( better said our ) choice cause I don't feel attacked so I don't feel the need to take the defensive moreover I don't call him Master all the time when talking with him but very often when I talk about him with others ( on this board for exemple ).

I liked that way to call him at the very beginning of our relation and i stuck with it . Notwithstanding after reading the above posts I made some reflections about that and I realized that maybe being Master and me both not English mother language , although we use English to communicate between us, we are surely more free and confident about using English words than mother tongue, because we can most of time decontextualize said words from their common usage .

I actually would have far mor difficulties using the italian equivalent of the word "Master" or similar cause it would seem weird to me , so I can wholly understand the issue .

But I will continue to use it cause I really like it !


Btw what does OP mean ?

Thanks

end of my semantic rambling hijack /

 

[RJMasters]

semantic hijack alert

Like many of you know English is not my first language so after reading the initial post ( yep I did it ) I was wondering if in English the words " subservient " and "submissive" have the same meaning and are interchangeable .

That because if I make a literal translation in my own language they are not , and under that light the whole post assumes a meaning even more disagreeable .

I don't want analyse the contents of the " essay" above mentioned cause I mainly share the opinions of other posters who expressed them far better than I could do in a lifetime.

On the other side I call my PYL Master , and I noticed some perplexities about the use , among others, of this way of denominate the person one has submitted to.

I am not going to justify my ( better said our ) choice cause I don't feel attacked so I don't feel the need to take the defensive moreover I don't call him Master all the time when talking with him but very often when I talk about him with others ( on this board for exemple ).

I liked that way to call him at the very beginning of our relation and i stuck with it . Notwithstanding after reading the above posts I made some reflections about that and I realized that maybe being Master and me both not English mother language , although we use English to communicate between us, we are surely more free and confident about using English words than mother tongue, because we can most of time decontextualize said words from their common usage .

I actually would have far mor difficulties using the italian equivalent of the word "Master" or similar cause it would seem weird to me , so I can wholly understand the issue .

But I will continue to use it cause I really like it !


Btw what does OP mean ?

Thanks

end of my semantic rambling hijack /

OP = Original Post or Original Poster depending on the context it is used. Sorry, I was being lazy.

 

[catalina_francisco]

OP = original poster.....we use Amo more often than Master.

Catalina

 

[babiesmiles]

Thank you RJ Masters and Catalina .


Cat ... Amo is a wonderful word really !

In italian it is sometimes used as short of "amore" ( love ) referring to the beloved one .

 

[catalina_francisco]

Thank you RJ Masters and Catalina .


Cat ... Amo is a wonderful word really !

In italian it is sometimes used as short of "amore" ( love ) referring to the beloved one .

LOL, I think it is cool that as the Spanish word it means both love and Master....now doesn´t that tell ya something?!!

Catalina

 

[babiesmiles]

LOL, I think it is cool that as the Spanish word it means both love and Master....now doesn´t that tell ya something?!!

Catalina

Indeed

 

[A Desert Rose]

OP = Original Post or Original Poster depending on the context it is used. Sorry, I was being lazy.

Not that my opinion matters but...

I really really hate that AV. It scares me.

 

[Kajira Callista]

Not that my opinion matters but...

I really really hate that AV. It scares me.

I KNOW! *Hides my face in ADRs cleavage*

 

[A Desert Rose]

I KNOW! *Hides my face in ADRs cleavage*

You couldn't find a softer, warmer place, dolly. Well, there's a softer, warmer, WETTER place but eh... no. LOL

 

[Kajira Callista]

You couldn't find a softer, warmer place, dolly. Well, there's a softer, warmer, WETTER place but eh... no. LOL

 

[A Desert Rose]

You aren't lacking in the cleavage department, yourself, dolly. ;-)

 

[Kajira Callista]

You aren't lacking in the cleavage department, yourself, dolly. ;-)

but i cant hide my face in my own

 

[A Desert Rose]

but i cant hide my face in my own

Okay... you got me there. ;-)

 

[A Desert Rose]

KC, I think that AV means RJ's pissed off, frustrated or otherwise agrivated by something.

What do you think?

 

[Kajira Callista]

Okay... you got me there. ;-)

lol

 

[Ebonyfire]

I would never laugh at you.
*shrug*
I think a lot of what was written was by a very submissive hearted person. Word choices, in my opinion could have been better, but oh well. As for net etiquette...not everyone gets that right away.
I also think that if anyone who has posted here got jumped on for a post they would have defended themselves and had a whole lot of others defending them too.

Submissive hearted is all fine and good KC, but LONG WINDED is another!

Eb

 

[Ebonyfire]

I am going really un PC here but as far as I am concerned 'lilmiss' behaved consistently like a 'lilmiss' from her initial dual posting to the sarcastic tone her post took when she didn't get whatever her 'lilmiss' perceived response portfolio met.

I am Australian , we know sarcasm , its the basis of our humor and rarely used in the more conventional sense. People whom know me know well how its employed to generate a smile.

When Etoile said she was retiring and the final 'lilmis' comment was 'sweet dreams and that >> '.......it was enough for me . I don't care if 'lilmiss' returns here to post or not.

Simply put 'there are enough insincere, disingenuous bitches in this World , submissive or not' and I'll be damned if I am throwing down the proverbial welcome mat for another one.

ooops see why I would prefer 50% of Etoile's Diplomacy...........

SNAP!