Thoughts on LIT's Rules.

[elfin_odalisque]

Butthurt much? That wasn't a definition, it was a further explanation of LIT's rule on noncon, I don't condone rape in any way because I am not a sick human being.

Happy now?

seem to want to change

Sorry, maybe I overreacted, but with too many threads that slip under the vetting system, people seem to try to rattle lit's chains. As far as I am aware, it is the best erotic - not porn - story site on the web.

 

[CyranoJ]

seem to want to change

In fairness to the OP, he did make clear in big bold letters right off the top that that wasn't the point.

As far as I am aware, it is the best erotic - not porn - story site on the web.

We talked about that recently...

 

[sr71plt]

In fairness to the OP, he did make clear in big bold letters right off the top that that wasn't the point.



We talked about that recently...

Elfin's "job" here is to harass--not necessarily from a position of understanding what she's razzing.

 

[Katiecat]

Hey guys! I wanted to know your thoughts on how vague and exploitable LIT's rules can be. We all know about the Big 3 Posting No-Noes:

1) Rape (Where the "victim" doesn't enjoy it)
2) Beastality (Sex with non-human creatures)
3) Underage Sex (Sex with under 18's involved in any way)

...Thoughts? Are loopholes like this a bad thing for lit?

Okay, TheMalevolence, I'll play.

I don't believe the loopholes are as loopy as you think they are.

2. Bestiality is animal abuse -- animals are not reasoning creatures, and cannot give consent. The non-human category is for imaginary creatures that are sentient, reasoning, and able to consent -- many are even humanoid in appearance. As Bramblethorn brilliantly stated, "If unicorns are people-smart, then they're capable of giving informed consent in a way that horses are not. But if they're just sparkly horses with horns, then nope."

3. Underage sex -- again, not easy at all to bend the rules. No one under 18, period. You must specifically state your characters are 18 and over. If not, and you persist in emphasizing how youthful, nubile, fresh and dewy, etc. your character is, or there is any hint at all that they are under the magic age of 18, your story will be rejected. If it gets past the gatekeeper and someone notices it and complains, your story will be deleted. So yes, your character can be young, innocent, virginal, pristine -- but he/she damn well better be a legal adult.

And....1. Rape stories -- oh, this opens Pandora's Box, or a can of worms, neither of which has pleasant contents. This is a really huge subject, and it's difficult to summarize. Rape is rape. Fantasy is fantasy. Rape fantasies are, 99.9% of the time, NOT about being forced to have sex with someone you don't want to, hating it, being physically and psychologically injured by the act. Fantasy "rape" involves being overpowered and swept off one's feet; is motivated by passion/lust not violence/hate; the "victim" is absolved of responsibility for what happens and they get to remain the "good girl"; the "victim" ends up liking it or falling in love with the "perpetrator". It's a recurring theme in bodice ripper romance novels with titles like "Captive Bride" -- it's purely fantasy, unrealistic, and overwhelmingly bullshit.

If someone is writing erotically/getting off on the other .1% that involves people being physically and psychologically damaged, then they might want to talk to a therapist about that. I'm not going to judge someone's kinks, but not all kinks are healthy or harmless. Snuff films are made because someone finds that exciting, but that doesn't make it okay.

I am not wild about the non-con genre, so I don't typically read it here. Is there a lot of the .1%?

 

[Hypoxia]

3. Underage sex -- again, not easy at all to bend the rules. No one under 18, period. You must specifically state your characters are 18 and over. If not, and you persist in emphasizing how youthful, nubile, fresh and dewy, etc. your character is, or there is any hint at all that they are under the magic age of 18, your story will be rejected. If it gets past the gatekeeper and someone notices it and complains, your story will be deleted. So yes, your character can be young, innocent, virginal, pristine -- but he/she damn well better be a legal adult.

Not quite. Underage sex can be reported but not described. If their sexual activity is detailed, a normal human must be 18, while other creatures cannot APPEAR to be underage humans, no matter their species or age. A non-human or immortal hominid who looks prepubescent even though they've existed for millennia will get the story booted. And "underage sex" is more than just kids being intimate. If an adult human THINKS sexually of a minor human or young-looking nonhuman, the story can be booted. So Laurel has told me in PMs.

 

[Katiecat]

Not quite. Underage sex can be reported but not described. If their sexual activity is detailed, a normal human must be 18, while other creatures cannot APPEAR to be underage humans, no matter their species or age. A non-human or immortal hominid who looks prepubescent even though they've existed for millennia will get the story booted. And "underage sex" is more than just kids being intimate. If an adult human THINKS sexually of a minor human or young-looking nonhuman, the story can be booted. So Laurel has told me in PMs.

My understanding is that we are supposed to avoid even reporting it, with no description. That may not be the case, but it seems to blur lines for those who want to push the envelope and wriggle around the rules.

I couldn't fathom what you meant by "A non-human or immortal hominid who looks prepubescent even though they've existed for millennia", until I thought of child vampires, or maybe fairies that look like children. I wasn't thinking of the non-human category; I was thinking specifically of human characters. If there is any doubt a human character is over 18, the author needs to be clear that the characters are of legal age.

 

[Hypoxia]

My understanding is that we are supposed to avoid even reporting it, with no description. That may not be the case, but it seems to blur lines for those who want to push the envelope and wriggle around the rules.

Like I said, we can report but not describe. For example, "I lost my virginity at 16" is okay, while "He shoved his gleaming cock into my underage pussy" isn't. The report doesn't stretch rules. Explicit fantasizing about underage sex is a violation. "Her young body drove me mad" is okay, but "I dreamed of sliding into her middle-school vagina" isn't.

I couldn't fathom what you meant by "A non-human or immortal hominid who looks prepubescent even though they've existed for millennia", until I thought of child vampires, or maybe fairies that look like children.

I was specifically thinking of an old SF story of a human girl struck by lightning a few thousand years back at age 10 and rendered immortal, rather like a child vampire, but never physically developing further. Millennia as a child, child bride, child whore, cannot be explicitly described here.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Like I said, we can report but not describe. For example, "I lost my virginity at 16" is okay, while "He shoved his gleaming cock into my underage pussy" isn't.

Yep. I've written a story which mentions that Grandma was "an adventurous young lady" who got pregnant at 15, and that went through just fine.