Those IMPLAUSIBLE & IMPOSSIBLE cellphone calls

[Pookie]

There are engineers and physicists equally sceptical of the USA government's lies about 9/11. I've already mentioned them. You already know of Steven Jones and others, so your crappy excuses are a load of nonsense - as per usual

So where is all their appropriately peer-reviewed papers? The only peer-reviewed paper to date agrees with the official findings.

Are they purposely hiding evidence of a mass murder? Why would they do such a thing?

I'm just asking questions.


As for Steven Jones:

Steven E. Jones is best known for advocating 9/11 conspiracies - specifically that the World Trade Center collapsed as the result of controlled demolition. He believes that the impact of the aircrafts hitting the building, combined with subsequent fires was insufficient to cause the collapse.[1] As a Professor of Physics at Brigham Young University, Jones has done research involving cold fusion.[2]

Jones does not have any background in structural engineering, but nonetheless has "researched" 9/11. His research and 9/11 paper has never been through a rigorous peer review that is the de facto standard in science. Because of these and other problems, Jones was placed on paid leave while his university reviewed the scientific basis of his work in this area.[3] Six weeks later, before the review would have been made, Jones elected to retire from BYU. On October 20, 2006 Steven Jones and BYU finalized a retirement package.[4]

http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/index.php?title=Steven_E._Jones

Now that Steven has so much free time, why hasn't he submitted his paper for peer review? Seems strange to me. I mean, he claims to have evidence to prove the NSIT wrong. What is he waiting for, LN?

 

[Pookie]

Just so this doesn't get lost on the last page ...

I have already - didn't see any resemblance at all.

Didn't see any resemblance at all, huh?

Here again is the picture of Stuyvesant in the summer of 2004 ...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/Stuy_building.jpg




Here is an image of WTC 7 before the morning of 9/11 with the pedestrian bridge to the right, and the third floor promenade to the left ...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/7wtc_lrg.jpg



Here is an image showing how the front of WTC 7 from up high, showing how the promenade stretches out from the building in the middle with the pedestrian bridge to the right. It shows an undivided street with much of it covered by the pedestrian bridge and promenade.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/wtc7s2.jpg



It would take an an idiot to confuse the side of Stuyvesant High School with the pedestrian bridge with the front of WTC 7.



And now, here are some frames from the video ...

Early in the video, we see some firemen sitting on a short wall near and under the pedestrian bridge. This is looking down the street with the building on the left side (out of view) ...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/sec_00.jpg

The above image even shows the shadow from the pedestrian bridge.


Here is a frame at 10 seconds after the camera pans to the left toward the building ...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/sec_10.jpg

And just moments later ...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/sec_10b.jpg

Interesting. A fairly significant raised median in the street.

There's not one of these in front of WTC 7. *shakes head*

But there is one beside Stuyvesant High School. *nods*


Now, here is images showing what the pedestrian bridge looks like from where the camera is located underneath ...

At 22 seconds ...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/sec_22.jpg

At 23 seconds ...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/sec_23.jpg

At 26 seconds ...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/sec_26.jpg

You can see the white metal or steel underneath ... like the one at Stuyvesant High School. *nods*

Looks nothing at all like the view from underneath the pedestrian bridge for WTC 7. *shakes head*

(continued in next post)

 

[Pookie]

(Continued from prior post)

And as the camera pans more to the left where the WTC 7 promenade would be, here are a few images ...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/sec_18.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/sec_18a.jpg


Oh my GAWD! No promenade! Hmmm. I see trees. I see a street post. Where's the WTC 7 promenade? WTF? Did somebody steal it? I'm betting it was the gubermint. *nods*


And look at the cars and stuff at second 28 going under where the promenade was before somebody stole it ...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/sec_28.jpg



Now, look at the front of WTC 7 after WTC 1 collapsed ...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/WTC7h4.jpg

Look at that! Who ever stole the promenade brought it back!!! I guess they had a guilty conscience or somethin'. But look at the mess they made with it, the sorry fuckers. The least they could've done was clean it up a little. Sheesh.


Now, look back at those images after reading this again ...

"They were pushing us up north, up West Street. And we all regrouped by Stuyvesant High School.

As soon as we sat down, I got all the gear off and we're taking a blow, someone came running out of the high school saying there was a bomb in the building, so we ran further north. That's pretty much it for the rest of the day. They wouldn't let us back in."

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/wall.html


Lovelynice, I see quite a few similarities to Stuyvesant High School, especially given that there was a report of a bomb in that school too. I see absolutely no similarities to WTC 7. You'd have to have a mental disability to think that video was from in front of WTC 7 under the pedestrian bridge, and not Stuyvesant. Or a liar. Or both. The place was quite a mess even after WTC 2 collapsed.

But I understand you don't want to hurt the "troothers" t-shirt and video sales. There's money to be made before people wise up!! So, I tell you what. We'll just keep all of this between just the two of us. Whatcha say, dumplin?

 

[phrodeau]

WTC 7 wasn't hit by a plane.

And I'm still waiting for Pookie to back her bullshit, as I said earlier...



Pretty clear at this point, that all you shills can do is grasp at straws, or tell outright lies.

You never proved that WTC7 wasn't hit by a plane. I'm still waiting for you to back your bullshit.

Pretty clear at this point that all you can do is make unfounded assertions.

 

[catfish]

and as I pointed out, he's far more qualified to discuss the subject than you are.

Bullshit.

That's all you have, is BULLSHIT. There are engineers and physicists equally sceptical of the USA government's lies about 9/11. I've already mentioned them. You already know of Steven Jones and others, so your crappy excuses are a load of nonsense - as per usual [/QUOTE]

Lol, usual Lovelynice.....keep repeating the same bullshit over and over, no matter how many times it is refuted, in hopes that it will eventually become true. And if Steven Jones is your best "expert" you really do believe in a lame cause. Man, I love reading your paranoia, and remember you want someone with a Phd in Psychiatry, not say Geology, to counsel you.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

I am not going present one damned thing to you and here is why:

I have had hours upon hours upon hours of training in logic and math, especially statistics. Your argument could be right but no one will ever believe you because your first premise is a fallacy. It doesn't matter if what you are saying is true if it is not based on validity.

What you are doing borders on Religious and the other thing I hate. Why? Because you cannot reason with it, it's first premise is to believe something that cannot be logically proven. And they know it.

Just thought it needed repeating.

You will never win my heart with emotional appeals, pictures, links, videos and experts because I have had one of those philosophical epiphanies and am trying to lead with my brain.

Try it sometime. Think, please think. It is so important.

 

[zipman]

LOL, this thread always gives me a laugh.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

Is that all? I guess you are one of those morons who think that everyone involved in the Manhattan Project knew every secret detail of it. A hundred thousand people managed to keep a secret then....but really, 99.99% knew fuck-all about it, because only those at the very top would need to know.

The Manhattan Project, NSA!! You really didn't even need to get so dramatic in making your analogy. You could, also, rightly claim the same to be true of any manager in a international bank, a worker at a car manufacturer, or even a guy flipping burgers at Mc Do. You are right, the guys working at the bottom, middle of any large organisation are not in possession of all the facts pertaining to the operation or goals of any large organisation. The reality is that most know little and probably care even less. So long as they can; flip their burgers, build their engines or balance their books and get their pay check at the end of the month they don't give a toss what the companies global strategies, aims are.

The same is true of workers on the Manhattan Project and any other secret organisation. They knew it was top secret but then carried on the specific task without knowing the goal.

But, then again they are not being ask to carry out criminal acts; indeed murder and accessory to murder (which even you would have to admit was on a massive scale) of their fellow citizens are/where they? Or the cover-up there of.

The drone workers would and do go happily about the daily lives not giving a toss. But, ask them to start adding/removing body parts to any location, adding removing passports etc to a location, liberally placing

old dirty plane parts from an old dirty scrap yard.

Actors being ask to play the part of grieving relatives of people who weren't in the worst terrorist act in history etc, etc, etc. So you don't think that any of these drone would realise the part that they were playing and its significance. None would say something?

So the flight of fantasy you are now asking us to believe is....


* The CIA doesn't know they're not actually trying to capture BL at all.
*Wille Brown doesn't still understand the significance of Condoleeza Rice's warning.
* The 19 people who played the part of the hijackers, if you believe they were just their to play a role and were never on the planes. Didn't and still don't understand the significance of this.
* Enough senior people at the FBI to block progress in the Moussaoui case, ensure the Phoenix memo was ignored, and more. They don't know why they are blocking/ignoring it and don't know what significance on the investigation it might have.
* Ahmad Umar Sheikh for funding the hijackers, General Mahmoud Ahmad for ordering him to do so, and enough of the ISI to get the money and cover up that they were doing this for the US....and they all have no fucking idea why.
* Everyone who found out about the attacks in advance, and chose not to go into work rather than warn anyone else, and didn't mention this after the fact (thousands of Israelis in the towers, and so on), and everyone who warned them. All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* Everyone responsible for the insider trading before the attacks, the CIA for supposedly monitoring these transactions but doing nothing about them, and enough of the SEC and FBI to ensure that the report was a whitewash.All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* The members of Bush’s secret service team on 9/11 (who presumably either knew in advance that he was safe, or haven’t spoken out about their surprise about what happened subsequently) All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* Everyone responsible for planting evidence in the hijackers cars, bags and so on.All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* Everyone responsible for planting evidence in the WTC wreckage (passports etc), or removing it (WTC black boxes)All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* Air Traffic Control and flight schedulers at the takeoff airports (to cope with the double flights), and to make sure they didn't follow procedure in reporting the hijackings promptly. All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* Whoever prepared the "special" planes swapped for the real flights, complete with "missile pod" for firing into the towers just before impact, and the ATC and Norad staff who didn't mention the swap. All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* NORAD and senior officers working at the day (so they could lie about the war games and their lack of response) All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* Fighter pilots who deliberately flew too slowly so they wouldn't reach the aircraft in time. All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* Whoever shot down Flight 93, and the senior officers who helped cover it up. All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* Everyone who researched the passengers, then all the actors who used that research to make fake mobile calls to their relatives, and either the phone company or the FBI for covering up the phone records. All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* All the actors who played/play the relatives and made claims of receiving phone calls from loved ones on the planes. That according to you are impossible anyway. All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* Everyone involved in killing hundreds of passengers, assuming they didn't die in the crashes and were killed later. All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* Everyone involved in transporting their bodies to the various scenes if they did, or faking the DNA evidence if they didn't. All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* The engineers who researched the WTC to find out the best place to place explosives. All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* The people who planted the explosives through the WTC towers and WTC7 All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* Whoever detonated the WTC explosives at various different times of the day. All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* Enough of the New York Fire and Police Departments to shut up everyone else and make sure they didn't try to investigate why all their friends and colleagues died. All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* Everyone who prepared the remote control plane that really flew into the Pentagon, and whoever remote-controlled it, and the Washington Air Traffic Controllers who aren't allowed to talk about the extra radar blip they saw over the Pentagon (if Flight 77 really flew over it). All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* The Sheraton hotel staff who reportedly saw the video of the plane as it flew past to the Pentagon, but have never said that it wasn't the "official" flight. All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* The people who ensured the Pentagon missile defence systems were disabled so the plane could hit. All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* The people who planted the fake Pentagon evidence, from body parts to black boxes, and those who prepared it. All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after. * The people who faked additional evidence around the Pentagon, bringing down lampposts etc in an effort to make it look like a large winged plane carried out the attack. All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* Rudolph Giuliani for having advance knowledge that the WTC was going to collapse, and for helping to ensure that the steel was disposed of quickly. He have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* Enough people at American and United Airlines to keep quiet about the absence of the hijackers names from the passenger manifests. All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* Enough people at CNN not to question the absence of the hijackers names from the flight manifests, if you believe that's what their victims lists really are. All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* Enough people at FEMA and NIST to ensure any reports and analyses produced were whitewashes. All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* Enough senior officials at the many WTC insurance companies to ensure the doubts were ignored and claims were paid. All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* Everyone involved in producing the /fake bin Laden "confession" video(s) All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* The staff of the 9/11 Commission for deliberately obscuring the truth. All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.
* The BBC for having prior knowledge and reporting of the the collapse of WTC 7 before it happened. All have no idea of the significance of this both before and after.

Don't you see how silly this is starting to sound?

So you still didn't answer how many are involved?
You know it is in the thousands don't ya?
You know it makes no logical sense or has any feasible chance of ever being able to work in the real world, don't ya? Or at least I hope you do. But, then again may-be not. You have shown a distinct inability to logically reason anything for the past 32 pages so I doubt that you will now.

Woof!

 

[Bad_Doggie]

The coroner, by the way, said he saw no blood and repeated this assertion, then suddenly shut-up about it (another visit from the FBI?).

How could he see any blood when they were all burnt to charcoal, fuckwit.

Woof!

 

[Bad_Doggie]

Oh and another thing for your logic Rubic Cube. If.....

The nutty "Arabs"

didn't do all this who did?


1993 (Feb.): Bombing of World Trade Center (WTC); 6 killed.
1993 (Oct.): Killing of U.S. soldiers in Somalia.
1996 (June): Truck bombing at Khobar Towers barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killed 19 Americans.
1998 (Aug.): Bombing of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania; 224 killed, including 12 Americans.
1999 (Dec.): Plot to bomb millennium celebrations in Seattle foiled when customs agents arrest an Algerian smuggling explosives into the U.S.
2000 (Oct.): Bombing of the USS Cole in port in Yemen; 17 U.S. sailors killed.
2001 (Dec.): Man tried to denote shoe bomb on flight from Paris to Miami.
2002 (April): Explosion at historic synagogue in Tunisia left 21 dead, including 11 German tourists.
2002 (May): Car exploded outside hotel in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 14, including 11 French citizens.
2002 (June): Bomb exploded outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12.
2002 (Oct.): Boat crashed into oil tanker off Yemen coast, killing 1.
2002 (Oct.): Nightclub bombings in Bali, Indonesia, killed 202, mostly Australian citizens.
2002 (Nov.): Suicide attack on a hotel in Mombasa, Kenya, killed 16.
2003 (May): Suicide bombers killed 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
2003 (May): 4 bombs killed 33 people targeting Jewish, Spanish, and Belgian sites in Casablanca, Morocco.
2003 (Aug.): Suicide car-bomb killed 12, injured 150 at Marriott Hotel in Jakarta, Indonesia.
2003 (Nov.): Explosions rocked a Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, housing compound, killing 17.
2003 (Nov.): Suicide car-bombers simultaneously attacked 2 synagogues in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 25 and injuring hundreds.
2003 (Nov.): Truck bombs detonated at London bank and British consulate in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 26.
2004 (March): 10 bombs on 4 trains exploded almost simultaneously during the morning rush hour in Madrid, Spain, killing 191 and injuring more than 1,500.
2004 (May): Terrorists attacked Saudi oil company offices in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, killing 22.
2004 (June): Terrorists kidnapped and executed American Paul Johnson, Jr., in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
2004 (Sept.): Car bomb outside the Australian embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia, killed 9.
2004 (Dec.): Terrorists entered the U.S. Consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, killing 9 (including 4 attackers).
2005 (July): Bombs exploded on 3 trains and a bus in London, England, killing 52.
2005 (Oct.): 22 killed by 3 suicide bombs in Bali, Indonesia.
2005 (Nov.): 57 killed at 3 American hotels in Amman, Jordan.
2006 (Aug.): More than 25 arrested in plot to blow up jetliners between London and U.S.

Surely, this is not the work of J-dub, Rummy, Blair et al is it?

If it isn't then why would they have to stage 9/11 and risk the consequences of being found out? There is enough material there for them to justify going to war with Afganistan and Iraq without 9/11. No?

Oh and don't forget to check out Pookies responce to your problem with The Stuyvesant Building. Interesting.....I think that we have to call that one busted!

Woof!

 

[Lovelynice]

* The CIA doesn't know they're not actually trying to capture BL at all.

They aren't after Osama bin Laden. They already know that he's dead, and that he had nothing to do with 9/11
The Central Intelligence Agency long ago closed the unit that for years had the mission of hunting Osama bin Laden. The unit, known as Alec Station, was disbanded ages ago.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/w...52676800&en=2576b5ef6af849cc&ei=5070&emc=eta1

and Osama bin Laden is NOT on the FBI most wanted list in connection with 911. Why not? According to FBI spokesman, Chief of Investigative Publicity Rex Tomb, “The FBI has no hard evidence connecting Usama Bin Laden to 9/11.” http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4673 http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm (accessed 20 August 2006)

 

[Lovelynice]

The 19 people who played the part of the hijackers, if you believe they were just their to play a role and were never on the planes.

How can you prove that there were 19, and that the people blamed were ever involved in the first place?

Many of them are still alive. They were people whose identities were either stolen, or they were framed when they had nothing to do with 9/11.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers.html

 

[Lovelynice]

Enough senior people at the FBI to block progress in the Moussaoui case, ensure the Phoenix memo was ignored, and more.

Gee, only one guy at the very top should be able to do that. They do follow orders in the FBI, don't they? Maybe even orders from the White House.

 

[Lovelynice]

Ahmad Umar Sheikh for funding the hijackers, General Mahmoud Ahmad for ordering him to do so, and enough of the ISI to get the money and cover up that they were doing this for the US...

Prove that he did. Considering that you can't even show that the hijackers ever existed, let alone were even Arabs, tough luck trying to push that excuse.

 

[Lovelynice]

Everyone who found out about the attacks in advance, and chose not to go into work rather than warn anyone else...

What EXACTLY would they know?

NOTHING. They certainly wouldn't have a clue who done it.

Everyone responsible for the insider trading before the attacks, the CIA for supposedly monitoring these transactions but doing nothing about them, and enough of the SEC and FBI to ensure that the report was a whitewash

Yet again, what EXACTLY would they know?

NOTHING. They certainly wouldn't have a clue who done it.

as for somebody in the SEC or FBI - you're making stuff up again. It only takes the orders of ONE PERSON AT THE VERY TOP to stop an investigation, and both do tend to obey orders from people above them, neh?

 

[Lovelynice]

The members of Bush’s secret service team on 9/11 (who presumably either knew in advance that he was safe, or haven’t spoken out about their surprise about what happened subsequently)

Don't they follow orders? Why yes they do! in other words, they don't need to know a damn thing. I believe they also have shift changes and everything works on NEED TO KNOW ONLY. Most, if not ALL of them, didn't need to know. It's easy to make up excuses for a lot of policy changes and reasons for moving the president - or not moving him.

 

[Lovelynice]

Everyone responsible for planting evidence in the hijackers cars, bags and so on.

It's pretty common practice to set up people in most police forces. Nothing unusual there. Happens all the time in the USA as many court cases have shown. It would take nothing more than a very small team to cope with most of it, and if one man at the very top is giving orders (and since ONLY HE NEEDS TO KNOW) then you don't many people at all, do you?

 

[Lovelynice]

Everyone responsible for planting evidence in the WTC wreckage (passports etc), or removing it (WTC black boxes)

Great, so ONE guy.

As to the WTC black boxes, how in hell would anyone know that there was anything wrong with their orders when they are told to send the black boxes anywhere??? As to passports – wasn't there just ONE PASSPORT actually found in the area, oh wait on, that one turned out not to exist either – it was a myth. Most of what was said to be "found evidence" didn't even have to be there, since all that is required is for some boss guy at the very top to simply SAY that such-and-such item was "found" at the WTC. We never saw any pictures of that passport in situ, on location at the WTC, did we?

Hmm...and there wasn't much of a search for bodies either. The orders were given by Giuliani to simply scoop the lot up without any searching, without any investigation.

I discussed that on this thread;
https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=504265

Firefighters Urge "Peeling Of Giuliani's 9/11 Onion"
Spokesman for largest Firefighters' union speaks out

There are some very pissed-off firefighters in New York
http://www.infowars.net/articles/march2007/120307Giuliani_onion.htm

and I agree with them. What Giuliani ordered, and the result, is disgusting.

What? You don't think it's disgusting the remains of hundreds of innocent victims of the September 11 attacks are still buried in one the world's largest rubbish dumps, on Staten Island, leaving the victim's bodies rot in the ground with acres of stinking trash?

http://www.infowars.net/pictures/mar07/120307world_trade_center_debris.jpg

 

[Lovelynice]

Air Traffic Control and flight schedulers at the takeoff airports (to cope with the double flights), and to make sure they didn't follow procedure in reporting the hijackings promptly

There were a whole bunch of wargames strangely scheduled that day, that “just happened” to be focused on plane hijackings. Suspicious as hell. Who gave the orders for that?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/080904wargamescover.htm

a quote from the article that is relevant;
More and more individuals are looking at the facts and highlighting exercise drills that took place on the morning of 9/11.
It is clear that at least five if not six training exercises were in operation in the days leading up to and on the morning of 9/11. This meant that NORAD radar screens showed as many as 22 hijacked airliners at the same time. NORAD had been briefed that this was part of the exercise drill and therefore normal reactive procedure was forestalled and delayed.


In May of 2001, by presidential order, Cheney was handed direct control of all wargame and drill operations. This meant he was solely in charge of the overlapping NORAD drills and wargames on the morning of 9/11, that prevented Standard Operating Procedure from being implemented, and any of the hijacked planes being intercepted.

There's more here....
http://www.prisonplanet.com/911/norad.htm

 

[Lovelynice]

Whoever prepared the "special" planes swapped for the real flights, complete with ...

Hmmm...when did I ever say anything at all about some “missile pod”???? What load of crap is that? Your dumb game just died there.

As for “special” planes. Oh yes, weren't there a whole bunch prepared for those wargame exercises? YES THERE WERE!

Easy to divert a few planes and give more orders for that one, so we're back to Dick Cheney again.

 

[Lovelynice]

NORAD and senior officers working at the day (so they could lie about the war games and their lack of response)

Hmmm? But there were wargames that day! Their later lies about there not being any are typical “cover thy ass!” reactions when the shit hit the fan. Every bureaucracy does that as an automatic response. The orders for those wargames apparently came from Dick Cheney again.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/911/norad.htm

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/080904wargamescover.htm

 

[Lovelynice]

Fighter pilots who deliberately flew too slowly so they wouldn't reach the aircraft in time.

They DIDN'T “deliberately” fly too slowly – THEY WERE ORDERED TO FLY AT THAT SLOW SPEED! Not the pilots choice, so your little excuse dies again there.

So who gave the orders? The orders came from the White House presumably.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Does it not seem that we have an ever-expanding conspiracy?

Now we have pilots ordered to fly too slow.

Was it by cellphone?

 

[Bad_Doggie]

Are you now doing your logic Rubic Cube in a dark room?

Originally Posted by Bad_Doggie
Everyone responsible for planting evidence in the WTC wreckage (passports etc), or removing it (WTC black boxes)

Great, so ONE guy.

One, one how the fuck do you make it one?

First there is the guy/guys planting/removing evidence at WTC. The removing of the black boxes, the planting of the forged passport (to make it look like a real terrorist was on the plane.)

Then there's the guys at the Pentagon who.....(post #753)

They look just like old dirty plane parts from an old dirty scrapyard. There appears to be so little, that the quantity could be dumped from the back of a small truck.

Then there's the guy's in Shanksville who........removed/placed the body parts and evidence in Shanksville............(post #752)

The coroner, by the way, said he saw no blood and repeated this assertion, then suddenly shut-up about it. (another visit from the FBI?).

Implying that the corner didn't see blood and body parts. So someone or some people must have removed them from there.

This is from what you said only 2 pages back. If you can't follow you logical argument for that long what chance have you got for figuring the rest of it out?

So we have 3 separate locations, different items of evidence. How the fuck do you make it one person.

If you are now proposing that this one guy used a time/space continuum machine will have to include all the guys who operated that as well.

 

[Lovelynice]

Does it not seem that we have an ever-expanding conspiracy?

No, it doesn't.

It's the same size it's always been, as you well know, because everything that I have mentioned, has already been mentioned.

Perhaps you need to get back to the basic problems with your own bullshit.

Your problem however is a larger one, the facts are;

1) No steel-framed tower buildings have EVER COLLAPSED STRAIGHT-DOWN in the ENTIRE HISTORY of steel-framed buildings, both before and after 9/11. So an incredible magical coincidence is being claimed for not one, not two, but THREE such buildings all on the same day! AMAZING!

2) Nobody has ever succeeeded in simulating the actual collapses themselves, and shown that there was enough energy for a gravitationally-driven collapse; meaning that they could not show that there was enough energy from gravity alone to break past the structural strength and resistance of the rest of the building. That's your miracle magic problem again which your USA government version of 9/11 can't get past. Everytime you've cited somebody as suceeding in this, it's always turned out that they were either totally wrong or outright lying.

3) Considering these above, and the facts that all three buildings went down in a way identical to other controlled demolitions, in the time-frame and speed of typical controlled demolitions, and there is no example of any steel-framed tower buildings collapsing this way except by CONTROLLED DEMOLITIONS, then you have MAJOR PROBLEM with your bullshit excuses.

4) Your claim that "Pull it" had nothing to do with controlled demolition in the case of WTC 7 has been shown as another puile of crap excuses on your part because of Indira Singh did state: The fire department... the fire department and they did use the word "we're going to have to bring it down."

Now that's very clear. Also clear is that Silverstein admitted that he ordered WTC demolished, he said "pull it", which most definitely is a term for controlled demolition as even this shows in the case of a cleanup worker mentioning the same term for the controlled demolition of WTC 6 when he says, "...we're getting ready to pull the building six." The term is industry jargon for controlled demolition. Anyone can listen to that here - http://www.prisonplanet.com/pullit2.mp3

Which fits with the dictionary meaning

It's already very clear from the context and how Silverstein said it, that "Pull it" was the order to demolish the building.

Demolish: (?), v. t. To throw or PULL DOWN; to raze; to destroy the fabric of; to pull to pieces; to ruin; as, to demolish an edifice, or a wall.

dictionary . laborlawtalk . com / demolish

Destroy; do away with, make away with; nullify; annual; sacrifice, demolish; tear up; overturn, overthrow, overwhelm; upset, subvert, put an end to; seal the doom of, do in, do for, dish, undo; break up, cut up; break down, cut down, PULL DOWN

websters - online - dictionary . org / definition / destroy

To "pull" something as in "pull it", "pull it down", "pull down", or just "pull" is also common in many military organisations as a term for controlled demolition of objects, buildings, and obstacles.

So eat shit, Pookie, you're lying again.

5) So all of this fits extremely well with what the New York firemen said;

Video of firemen reporting bombs in WTC 7
"Bomb in the building. Start clearing out"
"What did you say? Secondary device?"
"Bomb in the building, start clearing out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W53wdu8IGlE&NR

(the clip, by the way, Pookie, is taken from an Australian documentary shown on Aussie TV - and they stated it was from WTC 7. I haven't seen anything from you to show them wrong. Maybe you should post frames for comparison).

6) I asked you before;
Please show how ASSYMETRICAL damage can somehow lead to SYMMETRICAL collapse. -
apparently you are incapable of explaining such an absurdity and so far all you've done is try to dodge the question.


7) There is your major problem dealing with the issues here in my previous post which you have NOT been able to deal with, and have avoided....

The photo shows the north face of WTC 7 reflected, with the fires visible. Do they look like huge raging infernos filling the entire building to you?
http://xs206.xs.to/xs206/06375/wtc7_northface.jpg

You need to post photos or links to video of VISIBLE FIRES

There was no - repeat NO twenty story HOLE in WTC 7, why lie?, just don't bother posting lies and wasting every one's time with nonsense like that will you for a change?

I want you to post an attached photo of this twenty storey hole in WTC 7, and I want you to describe in detail exactly where this hole is.

While you are at it I want you to explain why WTC 7's 14th and 15th floors were in the months and weeks leading up to 9/11 heavily fortified with bomb proof glass facing the twin towers.

They have since claimed it was a bunker for Mayor Giuliani in case of terrorist attacks would you believe, which he took the opportunity not to use on the day of the attacks!

I want you to explain why these two mysterious fires started given that no windows had been smashed on the corresponding floors, or any where on the entire facade of the building facing the twin towers, never mind and twenty story hole! - Even if they had been that is not necessarily reason for a fire to start.

Why did the automatic sprinkler system conveniently fail to activate and extinguish these fires?

Why did the then new WTC lease holder Larry Silverstein clearly state in a TV interview a year after the attacks that he and the NYFD decided to 'pull' WTC 7 on the day of the attack? The word 'pull' is industry jargon for taking a building down with explosives.

Photos taken shortly before before the collapse of WTC 7 show small office fires on just two floors.

Firefighters were told to move away from the building moments before it collapsed.

In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. Silverstein Properties' estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. So: This building's collapse resulted in a profit of about $500 million!

Explain to everyone why buildings that didn't belong or weren't insured by Silverstein holdings and that were right beside the twin towers and sustained massive damage - far more damage than WTC 7 - didn't collapse into their own footprints at near free fall speed!

Yet this WTC 7 building - which was by the way the strongest building on the WTC site being fortified with solid cross section girders rather than the 'H' type because it straddled the a major electrical substation - was conveniently demolished, tell tale streamers and charges can be seen all over the front of the building and explosive charges running up the side in a straight perpendicular line running up the sides.

The penthouse can clearly be seen falling in through the roof first as the building was violently eviscerated from the inside.

Why was the steel from this controlled demolition immediately and illegally shipped off before almost any major examination had been done to check for the possibility of explosives, and to try and determine the cause of it’s collapse so as to prevent it happening in future?

Unfortunately, we may never know what happened because the steel from the WTC was immediately and illegally shipped off before almost any major examination had been done to check for the real reasons for it‘s collapse.

"Some 185,101 tons of structural steel have been hauled away from ground zero. The city's hasty move has outraged many victims' families who believe the steel should have been examined more thoroughly. Last month fire experts told congress that about 80% of the steel was scrapped so far, without being examined because investigators did not have authority to preserve wreckage". - One investigator of the WTC told New York Times, "this is almost the dream team of engineers in the country working on this, and our hands are tied." The member asked not to be identified because members have been "threatened with dismissal for speaking to the press". "FEMA is controlling everything," the team member said .

Implosion World.com, a website about the demolition industry, states that an implosion is “by far the trickiest type of explosive project, and there are only a handful of blasting companies in the world that possess enough experience . . . to perform these true building implosions."
- Can anyone really believe that fire would have just happened to produce the kind of collapse that can be reliably produced by only a few demolition companies in the world? The building had 24 core columns and 57 perimeter columns. To hold that fire caused this building to collapse straight down would mean believing that the fire caused all 81 columns to fail at exactly the same time. To accept the official story is, in other words, to accept a miracle.

http://h1.ripway.com/ken_from_dublin/manning3oo.jpg

http://h1.ripway.com/ken_from_dublin/madrid4zh.jpg

Now look this folks - much stronger building, unexplained small fires behind unbroken windows and failed state of the art sprinkler systems, and no fires visible upon collapse, fires not even hot enough to break a window! YET........

http://h1.ripway.com/ken_from_dublin/wtc-7.gif

There was also NO INFERNO in WTC 7, but just some MINOR fires. Not serious at all, and the damage was MINOR in comparison to the size of the building.

WTC 6 had FAR MORE DAMAGE, and other WTC buildings had far worse fires than WTC 1, 2, & 7.

Larry Silverstein, ADMITTED on Public Broadcast Television that explosives were used to demolish WTC building #7

Yes, Silverstein, who had conveniently insured these buildings (which had been ordered to be dismantled due to safety hazards) for billions of dollars just weeks before 911, said on public television:

"(The Fire Department) were not sure that they were gonna be able to contain the fire. I said, you know, we´ve had such terrible loss of life. Maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it. They made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse"

In the demolition industry, “pull” is the common term they use for demolishing buildings with carefully positioned explosives, an operation that can take seasoned professionals weeks to plan.

So even the building owner admits that explosives were used to demolish at least one of the three WTC buildings!

And if planning to demolish WTC 7 had been carefully prepared for weeks, why not the other two?

and the damage that was done was MINOR in comparison to the building. Particularly when other buildings in the WTC complex had REAL INFERNOS and FAR MORE DAMAGE and STILL DIDN'T COLLAPSE.

Besides, it was "pulled" just as old Larry Silverstein said.

CBS News’ Dan Rather
also commented that the collapse of building 7, which
wasn’t hit by a plane, resembled a deliberate attempt
to demolish the structure using incendiary devices.
"For the third time
today, it’s reminiscent of those pictures we’ve all seen
too much on television before when a building was deliberately
destroyed by well placed dynamite to knock it down."

NBC’s Pat Dawson reported
the working hypothesis of the FDNY in the immediate aftermath
of the towers’ collapse.
"The chief of safety
of the Fire Department of New York City told me he received
word of a possibility of a secondary device — that is
another bomb going off. He tries to get his men out as
quickly as he could, but he said that there was another
explosion which took place and according to his theory,
he thinks that there were actually devices that were planted
in the building."

MSNBC news anchor Rick
Sanchez reported that police had found suspicious devices
in and around the WTC area and that the secondary explosions,
which were reported by numerous survivors, were thought
by police to be bombs.
"Police have found
what they believe to be a suspicious device and they fear
that it may lead to another explosion."
"I spoke with some
police officials moments ago, Chris, and they told me
they have reason to believe that one of the explosions
at the World Trade Center aside the ones caused by the
planes, may have been caused by a van that was parked
on the building that may have had an explosive device
in it."

During an exchange between
ABC’s Peter Jennings and reporter Don Dahler following
the collapse of the north tower, the first assumption
is again that controlled demolition must have been used
to take down the building.
"Yes Peter its Don Dahler down here. I’m four blocks
north of the World Trade Center. The second building that
was hit by the plane has just completely collapsed."
"The entire building
has just collapsed as if a demolition team set off….when
you see the old demolition of these old buildings. It
just folded in on itself and it is not there anymore."

Peter Jennings: "If
you wish to bring, if anyone has ever watched a building
being demolished on purpose knows, that you’re going to
do this you have to get at the, at the under infrastructure
of a building and bring it down."

Police chiefs, fire department
heads, veteran news anchors, eyewitnesses on the ground
- everyone’s first reaction was "controlled demolition"
because the events suggested nothing else.

8) When REPEATEDLY asked this, EVERY OTHER OCCASSION both before and since Sept 11 2001, when STEEL-FRAMED tower buildings collapsed STRAIGHT-DOWN into their own footprint, it has been due to a controlled demolition.

Can any of you silly shills cite a single exception to this?

With a photo, video, or anything else.

All Pookie could do was make up bullshit excuses citing some LOW-RISE, definitely NOT towering hi-rise buildings including a mere 4-storey building, and another similar LOW-RISE building. Come on, Pookie, you never even apologized for trying to pass off those crappy low-rise structures as being the same as towering skyscraper.