Those IMPLAUSIBLE & IMPOSSIBLE cellphone calls

[Lovelynice]

I'm still waiting for you to provide photos/video of something other than INVISIBLE FIRES that are hiding from the windows in WTC 7. Please provide pictures to back your bullshit, showing VISIBLE INFERNOS and VISIBLE MASSIVE DAMAGE. Where are these pictures? Can you back your bullshit, or are you as useless at backing your claims as the USA government when they LIED about WMDs in Iraq?

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

I am not going present one damned thing to you and here is why:

I would dearly love to believe you. I hate this government, I don't think you've noticed ONE of my Libertarian rants against it. I would give anything to see it brought down and the Republic rescued from the mob. Hell, if it weren't for Mills, Locke, and vonHumboldt, I would be an anarchist. I hate gevernment; it keeps taking my life away from me and giving it to some sonofabitch whose decided there's no reason to struggle, to achieve. Unfortunately my major was computer science.

I have had hours upon hours upon hours of training in logic and math, especially statistics. Your argument could be right but no one will ever believe you because your first premise is a fallacy. It doesn't matter if what you are saying is true if it is not based on validity.

You will never win my heart with emotional appeals, pictures, links, videos and experts because I have had one of those philosophical epiphanies and am trying to lead with my brain. Until you can provide a singular example of a skyscraper being hit by a commercial airliner NOT falling into it's own footprint can you sway me because right now I have only two examples and I watched them go straight down. What had made me go, gee wiz, is that they stayed intact upon initial impact! That's what I wanted the engineers to explain to me, which they did to my satisfaction.

What you are doing borders on Religious and the other thing I hate. Why? Because you cannot reason with it, it's first premise is to believe something that cannot be logically proven. And they know it.

 

[Pookie]

Do make up your mind, and BY THE WAY, where are those pictures supposedly showing the huge infernos and alleged massive damage of WTC 7? You do have them don't you? Or perhaps your problem is that the "inferno" has been wildly exaggerated, since all we can see is some small parts of two or three floors have some fires. No infernos, no massive damage.
http://xs206.xs.to/xs206/06375/wtc7_northface.jpg

You show only the north face in one image. Tsk tsk. Why not show the south face? You know, the side that was damaged?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5d/WTC7.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/WTC7Corner.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/7wtc.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/news_wtc7_1.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/db_wtc7_smoke_c5.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/WTC7_Smoke_2.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/wtc7smoke2.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/wtc7smoke.jpg


Some quotes from the firefighters and others on the damage ...

The biggest decision we had to make was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged [WTC 7] building. A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building’s integrity was in serious doubt. [Fire Engineering magazine, 10/2002]

The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was [that] the collapse [Of the WTC towers] had damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington Street. It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we [wouldn't] lose any more people. We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was [given], at 5:30 in the afternoon, 7 World Trade Center collapsed completely. http://*******.com/g8c6y

We walked over by number Seven World Trade Center as it was burning and saw this 40-plus story building with fire on nearly all floors. –FDNY Lieutenant Robert LaRocca
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110081.PDF

...Just when you thought it was over, you're walking by this building and you're hearing this building creak and fully involved in flames. It's like, is it coming down next? Sure enough, about a half an hour later it came down. –FDNY Lieutenant James McGlynn
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110447.PDF

When the building came down it was completely involved in fire, all forty-seven stories.
–FDNY Assistant Chief Harry Myers (Smith, Dennis, 2002. Report From Ground Zero: The Heroic Story of the Rescuers at the World Trade Center. New York: Penguin Putnam. p. 160)

The major concern at that time was number Seven, building number Seven, which had taken a big hit from the north tower. When it fell, it ripped steel out from between the third and sixth floors across the facade on Vesey Street. We were concerned that the fires on several floors and the missing steel would result in the building collapsing. –FDNY Chief Frank Fellini
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110217.PDF

At that time, other firefighters started showing up, Deputy Battalion Chief Paul Ferran of the 41 Battalion, and James Savastano of the First Division assigned to the Second Battalion showed up and we attempted to search and extinguish, at the time which was small pockets of fire in 7 World Trade Center. We were unaware of the damage in the front of 7, because we were entering from the northeast entrance. We weren't aware of the magnitude of the damage in the front of the building. – FDNY Captain Anthony Varriale
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110313.PDF

[Shortly after the tower collapses] I don’t know how long this was going on, but I remember standing there looking over at building 7 and realizing that a big chunk of the lower floors had been taken out on the Vesey Street side. I looked up at the building and I saw smoke in it, but I really didn't see any fire at that time. Deputy ––Chief Nick Vis-conti http://*******.com/paqux

A few minutes after that a police officer came up to me and told me that the façade in front of Seven World Trade Center was gone and they thought there was an imminent collapse of Seven World Trade Center. –FDNY Lieutenant William Melarango
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110045.PDF

I think they said they had seven to ten floors that were freestanding and they weren't going to send anyone in. –FDNY Chief Thomas McCarthy
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110055.PDF

So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good. But they had a hose line operating. Like I said, it was hitting the sidewalk across the street, but eventually they pulled back too.
Then we received an order from Fellini, we’re going to make a move on 7. That was the first time really my stomach tightened up because the building didn’t look good. I was figuring probably the standpipe systems were shot. There was no hydrant pressure. I wasn’t really keen on the idea. Then this other officer I’m standing next to said, that building doesn’t look straight. So I’m standing there. I’m looking at the building. It didn’t look right, but, well, we’ll go in, we’ll see.
So we gathered up rollups and most of us had masks at that time. We headed toward 7. And just around we were about a hundred yards away and Butch Brandeis came running up. He said forget it, nobody’s going into 7, there’s creaking, there are noises coming out of there, so we just stopped. And probably about 10 minutes after that, Visconti, he was on West Street, and I guess he had another report of further damage either in some basements and things like that, so Visconti said nobody goes into 7, so that was the final thing and that was abandoned.
Firehouse Magazine: When you looked at the south side, how close were you to the base of that side?
Boyle: I was standing right next to the building, probably right next to it.
Firehouse: When you had fire on the 20 floors, was it in one window or many?
There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered through there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we’ll head back to the command post.?– Capt. Chris Boyle

So we left 7 World Trade Center, back down to the street, where I ran into Chief Coloe from the 1st Division, Captain Varriale, Engine 24, and Captain Varriale told Chief Coloe and myself that 7 World Trade Center was badly damaged on the south side and definitely in danger of collapse. Chief Coloe said we were going to evacuate the collapse zone around 7 World Trade Center, which we did. – FDNY Lieutenant Rudolph Weindler http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110462.PDF

At this point, 7, which is right there on Vesey, the whole corner of the building was missing. I was thinking to myself we are in a bad place, because it was the corner facing us. –Fred Marsilla, FDNY
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110399.PDF

WTC Building 7 appears to have suffered significant damage at some point after the WTC Towers had collapsed, according to firefighters at the scene. Firefighter Butch Brandies tells other firefighters that nobody is to go into Building 7 because of creaking and noises coming out of there. [Firehouse Magazine, 8/02]

Battalion Chief John Norman later recalls, "At the edge of the south face you could see that it is very heavily damaged." [Firehouse Magazine, 5/02]

Heavy, thick smoke rises near 7 World Trade Center. Smoke is visible from the upper floors of the 47-story building. Firefighters using transits to determine whether there was any movement in the structure were surprised to discover that is was moving. The area was evacuated and the building collapsed later in the afternoon of Sept. 11.

http://www.firehouse.com/911/magazine/towers.html

Are the firemen liars?


The depths you'll go with your lies and deception at the expense of so many people who lost their lives that day is totally despicable.

 

[Pookie]

Oh dear, poor Pookie, are you calling Dr. Shyam Sunder, of the National Institutes of Standards and Technology (NIST) a liar???

Dr. Shyam Sunder, of the National Institutes of Standards and Technology (NIST), which investigated the collapse of WTC 7, is quoted in Popular Mechanics (9/11: Debunking the Myths, March, 2005) as saying: "There was no firefighting in WTC 7."

Bless your heart. I didn't say there was firefighting going on. I said there were rescue efforts.

Firemen do that, yanno.

Yes. Yes, they do.

Just ask them.

Firehouse: Chief Nigro said they made a collapse zone and wanted everybody away from number 7— did you have to get all of those people out?

Hayden: Yeah, we had to pull everybody back. It was very difficult. We had to be very forceful in getting the guys out. They didn’t want to come out. There were guys going into areas that I wasn’t even really comfortable with, because of the possibility of secondary collapses. We didn’t know how stable any of this area was. We pulled everybody back probably by 3 or 3:30 in the afternoon. We said, this building is going to come down, get back. It came down about 5 o’clock or so, but we had everybody backed away by then. At that point in time, it seemed like a somewhat smaller event, but under any normal circumstances, that’s a major event, a 47-story building collapsing. It seemed like a firecracker after the other ones came down, but I mean that’s a big building, and when it came down, it was quite an event. But having gone through the other two, it didn’t seem so bad. But that’s what we were concerned about. We had said to the guys, we lost as many as 300 guys. We didn’t want to lose any more people that day. And when those numbers start to set in among everybody… My feeling early on was we weren’t going to find any survivors. You either made it out or you didn’t make it out. It was a cataclysmic event. The idea of somebody living in that thing to me would have been only short of a miracle. This thing became geographically sectored because of the collapse. I was at West and Liberty. I couldn’t go further north on West Street. And I couldn’t go further east on Liberty because of the collapse of the south tower, so physically we were boxed in.

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

"Those" "fabricated" quotes from non-existent fire-fighters are a nice touch to the photoshops pooks...

So, no we don't call them liars because you can't post their pics and addresses.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

"those" guys?

The bombers?

DUH!

What planet do you live on Pooks! You provide your own rope!!!

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Why do you think they had to "pull" the building?

They interrupted the demo team!

 

[Pookie]

"Those" "fabricated" quotes from non-existent fire-fighters are a nice touch to the photoshops pooks...

So, no we don't call them liars because you can't post their pics and addresses.

Damn those firefighters and their sense of morals and shit. We almost had to do 9/11 without them.

Do you know how much it would've cost to hire actors to be the firemen???

And now I'm busy "drawing pictures" for Lovelynice. I mean, she can't look at that video of the "bombs in the building" and see the similarities to the high school and it's surroundings ... and especially the dissimilarities to WTC 7. So, I'm reduce to drawing pictures for her. *sigh*

But I shant be long. I have New World Order crayons.

 

[Pookie]

Why do you think they had to "pull" the building?

They interrupted the demo team!

It was another first that day. EVERY OTHER OCCASSION both before and since Sept 11 2001, when STEEL-FRAMED TOWER buildings collapsed STRAIGHT-DOWN into their own footprint, it has been due to a controlled demolition ... and NOT by firemen.

WTC 7 was the first.

 

[Pookie]

Why do you think they had to "pull" the building?

They interrupted the demo team!

Stop pulling my leg!

And pigtails too.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

I ate my red one...

Still brown poo.

My cousin's hairdresser's ex-girlfriend was dating one of "those" guys and he ran out on her just about that time and they tried to find him but guys in black suits showed up and well, she was never heard from again, except to pick up her last paycheck...

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

I'm not letting you anywhere near my leg lest it end up in a freezer...

 

[Pookie]

I'm not letting you anywhere near my leg lest it end up in a freezer...

I'd only demolish it in a controlled fashion ... err ... I mean, pull it.

*smiles sweetly*

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Want half a pink crayon?

 

[Pookie]

I wonder if LN sees a controlled demotion in this ...


http://auction-genius-course.com/blog/img/toast.jpg


I mean, it's obvious, innit it?


*still drawing LN some pictures from the video*

Stop distracting me!!!!

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

shill

In the whole history of shilldom, no one's ever convinced me that Oswald shot Kennedy.

Marines kill babies...

 

[Pookie]

I have already - didn't see any resemblance at all.

Didn't see any resemblance at all, huh?

Here again is the picture of Stuyvesant in the summer of 2004 ...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c1/Stuy_building.jpg




Here is an image of WTC 7 before the morning of 9/11 with the pedestrian bridge to the right, and the third floor promenade to the left ...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/7wtc_lrg.jpg



Here is an image showing how the front of WTC 7 from up high, showing how the promenade stretches out from the building in the middle with the pedestrian bridge to the right. It shows an undivided street with much of it covered by the pedestrian bridge and promenade.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/wtc7s2.jpg



It would take an an idiot to confuse the side of Stuyvesant High School with the pedestrian bridge with the front of WTC 7.



And now, here are some frames from the video ...

Early in the video, we see some firemen sitting on a short wall near and under the pedestrian bridge. This is looking down the street with the building on the left side (out of view) ...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/sec_00.jpg

The above image even shows the shadow from the pedestrian bridge.


Here is a frame at 10 seconds after the camera pans to the left toward the building ...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/sec_10.jpg

And just moments later ...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/sec_10b.jpg

Interesting. A fairly significant raised median in the street.

There's not one of these in front of WTC 7. *shakes head*

But there is one beside Stuyvesant High School. *nods*


Now, here is images showing what the pedestrian bridge looks like from where the camera is located underneath ...

At 22 seconds ...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/sec_22.jpg

At 23 seconds ...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/sec_23.jpg

At 26 seconds ...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/sec_26.jpg

You can see the white metal or steel underneath ... like the one at Stuyvesant High School. *nods*

Looks nothing at all like the view from underneath the pedestrian bridge for WTC 7. *shakes head*

(continued in next post)

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

It's against all the sitcom rules to employ a hook!

 

[Pookie]

(Continued from prior post)

And as the camera pans more to the left where the WTC 7 promenade would be, here are a few images ...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/sec_18.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/sec_18a.jpg


Oh my GAWD! No promenade! Hmmm. I see trees. I see a street post. Where's the WTC 7 promenade? WTF? Did somebody steal it? I'm betting it was the gubermint. *nods*


And look at the cars and stuff at second 28 going under where the promenade was before somebody stole it ...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/sec_28.jpg



Now, look at the front of WTC 7 after WTC 1 collapsed ...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/pookstergrrl/WTC7h4.jpg

Look at that! Who ever stole the promenade brought it back!!! I guess they had a guilty conscience or somethin'. But look at the mess they made with it, the sorry fuckers. The least they could've done was clean it up a little. Sheesh.


Now, look back at those images after reading this again ...

"They were pushing us up north, up West Street. And we all regrouped by Stuyvesant High School.

As soon as we sat down, I got all the gear off and we're taking a blow, someone came running out of the high school saying there was a bomb in the building, so we ran further north. That's pretty much it for the rest of the day. They wouldn't let us back in."

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/wall.html


Lovelynice, I see quite a few similarities to Stuyvesant High School, especially given that there was a report of a bomb in that school too. I see absolutely no similarities to WTC 7. You'd have to have a mental disability to think that video was from in front of WTC 7 under the pedestrian bridge, and not Stuyvesant. Or a liar. Or both. The place was quite a mess even after WTC 2 collapsed.

But I understand you don't want to hurt the "troothers" t-shirt and video sales. There's money to be made before people wise up!! So, I tell you what. We'll just keep all of this between just the two of us. Whatcha say, dumplin?

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Is that a leather leash?

 

[Pookie]

Is that a leather leash?

I thought we weren't going to talk about last night ...

wait ... you mean in one of the pics?

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Aha, charade you are...

It's a clear day today. I think I'll go out on the deck and try to call some planes.

 

[Pookie]

Aha, charade you are...

It's a clear day today. I think I'll go out on the deck and try to call some planes.

It's been in the 80s this week ... only the 50's today ... and a freeze warning tonight. *sigh*

I'm going to pull mother nature if she can't do better than this. *nods*

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

A good day to watch basketball...

I was hoping to hear from Lucy before the pregame show.

 

[Pookie]

except that they didn't.

Pay attention, she STATED;

The fire department... the fire department and they did use the word "we're going to have to bring it down." - it couldn't be any cleaer, could it.

Particularly when you have such MAJOR FLAWS in your excuses (see below)

Still waiting for Pookie to back her bullshit, as I said earlier...



Pretty clear at this point, that all you shills can do is grasp at straws, or tell outright lies.

Yes, Catfish. Pay attention. She STATED:

Radio host Bonnie Falkner: How long did you work as an emergency medical technician and exactly what is it that you were doing (at ground zero)?

Indira Singh: ...when I got there we were setting up triage sites (at ground zero), close, very close to the area. The triage site that I was setting up was behind, well, to the east of Building 7 where Building 7 came down. And what we were expecting as an EMT… you're trained for live survivors and there were people on the pile digging and looking for survivors and what happened is they would bring someone out to the nearest triage center… we would stabilize them put them in an ambulance and send them further uptown… so we were setting up triages as close to the pile as possible… so what we were doing was setting up different kinds of stations… IV stations, cardiac stations, wound stations, burn stations ...just trying to have an organized space. What happened with that particular triage site is that pretty soon afternoon, after mid-day on 9/11 we had to evacuate that because they told us Building 7 was coming down. If you had been there, not being able to see very much... just flames everywhere and dark smoke... it is entirely possible... I do believe that they brought Building 7 down, because I heard that they were going to bring it down because it was unstable, because of the collateral damage. That I don't know. I can't attest to the validity of that. All I can attest to is that by noon or one o'clock they told us we had to move from that triage site up to Pace University a little further away because Building 7 was going to come down or being brought down.

Bonnie Falkner: Did they actually use the word "brought" down and who was it that was telling you this?

Indira Singh: The fire department... the fire department and they did use the word "we're going to have to bring it down."

I agree. It couldn't be any clearer, could it, LN? She's not very sure about the things that were going on around her. Is she lying? I doubt it. I think she's telling us her subjective interpretation of a very chaotic event going on around her. It's clear evidence as to why eye witnesses stories can vary so much even with the smallest events like car accidents.

And if she's not lying, LN, is she also not lying when she says there were "just flames everywhere and dark smoke". Heh. I completely understand why you omitted that part of her interview.