Those IMPLAUSIBLE & IMPOSSIBLE cellphone calls

[Lovelynice]

Poor Pookie can only wriggle and squirm in her defense of an indefensible pile of LIES which nobody believes.

 

[Spider Rand]

Poor Pookie can only wriggle and squirm in her defense of an indefensible pile of LIES which nobody believes.

You really exist?!

I though you were a myth, like the Easter Bunny and Carson Daly.

 

[plasticman33]

Poor Pookie can only wriggle and squirm in her defense of an indefensible pile of LIES which nobody believes.

Damn, you are boring, same drivel day in day out, what is the point of it?

 

[unregistered]

 

[Lovelynice]

Damn...

what's wrong, dear?

Can't cope? Then get lost.

 

[Lovelynice]

Have we been ...

still as dull as ever, aren't you? When you can't win a debate, all you morons can do is babble like a braindead loony. Of course, what else can anyone expect from such a bunch of losers as you shills who think that LYING will somehow save you from appearing even more stupid than you really are? Hard thing to do, I know, but you give such a good effort on idiocy in your comments, that JaackAss suits you perfectly...because you most certainly are a jack-ass.

 

[lightning1]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons Has that been brought into the discussion yet?

 

[Lavared]

Nearly every poll proves me right.

Polls don't prove scientific fact; they only show opinions.

p.s. I hate to disappoint you but I don't actually swing both ways. Can't we just be friends?

 

[phrodeau]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons Has that been brought into the discussion yet?

Only one other time in a different thread. Unlike Lovelynice's contributions, which are repeated frequently.

Oh, and Lovelynice, next time you edit this bit, you should correct the spelling of "occasion".

EVERY OTHER OCCASSION both before and since Sept 11 2001, when STEEL-FRAMED tower buildings collapsed STRAIGHT-DOWN into their own footprint, it has been due to a controlled demolition.

Can any of you silly shills cite a single exception to this?

With a photo, video, or anything else.

 

[plasticman33]

what's wrong, dear?

Can't cope? Then get lost.

Why bother it won't change anything one iota!

http://img2.exs.cx/img2/7340/dumb_and_stupid_thread.jpg

 

[Pookie]

Which network is that? Mine keeps dropping calls at sea level...

Da plane, boss. Da plane.

I'm not trying to belittle anything by saying that. I just wanted to keep my response short.


BTW, LN. If you happen to be a "no-beamer", are you a "planer" or a "no-planer"?

 

[unregistered]

 

[Pookie]

And about that BARBARA OLSON CALL
According to the story, on the American Airlines Flight 77 from Washington, Barbara Olson, locked herself in the lavatory to call her husband, Solicitor General Theodore Olson.

In the early version of the story, she called on a CELLPHONE (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1539193.stm) but then people said that this was rather suspicious so the story was changed that she was calling using an Airfone.

Since, when did Airfones have extra-long extension cords that could reach into the bathroom?

Where in that article does it say Barbara Olsen called on a airphone ... from a bathroom?

Why all this deception and lies, LN? I mean, you've got the truth and all on your side. Can't you get even one of your scam stories straight?

Your "Truth Movement" leaders aren't going to be happy with this. I bet sales of their t-shirts and videos decrease with every post you make all over the intrawebs.

 

[Pookie]

I've asked you REPEATEDLY to cite a scientific study which shows that cellphones can make successful calls lasting upto 25 minutes from a passenger jet flying six miles up at over 450mph.

You have FAILED once again, to do so.

TRY AGAIN

Which cell phone calls lasted up to 25 minutes? Details and links, please.

Me thinks me smells a strawman. *nods*

We'll see, though.

 

[Pookie]

You are bullshitting with a MAJOR pile of crapola with that one, pretending that all the alleged calls were on airfones.

Why do you have to lie, LN? Quote me where I claimed they were all on airfones.

Your reputation for telling the truth is taking a serious hit these days. *nods*

ALL OF THESE CALLS WERE ALLEGED TO BE ON CELLPHONES - which so far, has been proven IMPOSSIBLE to do without an onboard cellular basestation, technology which DIDN'T EXIST until 2004

Your Professor Dewdney doesn't agree with you. Too bad, so sad.


And this post provides some good info regarding UA93 ...

Ultimately, 37 phone calls were made. 17 of them were successful, meaning that about 46% of the calls placed from the plane were actually successful. I wasn't able to find whether Joseph DeLuca used a cell phone or an airfone, but he was Linda Gronlund's boyfriend and was seated right next to her. Since she used an airfone, it is very likely that DeLuca did as well. Sandra Bradshaw's first call was from an unknown person, and it is unknown whether that call came from an airfone or a cell phone. What is known is that her successful cell phone call was placed at 9:50. Ceecee Lyles attempted to use a cell phone and did not successfully place a call. She did have success with the airfone that she used.

Successful cell phone calls were placed at 9:50 by Sandra Bradshaw, 9:49 by Marion Britton, 9:58 by Edward Felt, and 9:30, 9:37 and 9:44 by Tom Burnett. Why is this important, you may ask? The fact of the matter is that there is some question as to whether cell phone calls can be successfully made at high altitudes.

Well first of all, let's address the non-cell phone calls, the ones made with airfones. These phones are, of course, designed to be used in flight, so there should be nothing suspicious about the airfone calls. Verizon has a FAQ about their airfones, and one of the questions is as follows:

Where does the Airfone Service for Verizon Wireless work?
Airfone Service has areas where coverage is not available. This is because the service uses base stations on the ground and if the plane is not in the range of the base station, service will not be available. In addition, flights that travel more than 200 miles beyond the U.S. borders will not be able to use Airfone Service for Verizon Wireless. If you are on a call using the Airfone Service for Verizon Wireless, and the plane travels more than 200 miles away from the U.S. border the call will drop. At that point, you may make a call using a service called Comsat satellite service. When calls are placed using the Comsat satellite service, you will pay a higher rate and the call will not be billed to your Verizon Wireless phone bill. Please refer to the in-flight materials for more information on Comsat satellite calling including instructions for calling, coverage and rates.
Source: http://support.vzw.com/faqs/Feature...rfone_service_for_verizon_wireless.html#item5

It stops working when you travel outside of U.S. borders, not when you reach a certain elevation. You'll find other questions regarding in-flight phone calls, and it appears that elevation is never an issue with airfones.

So what about the cell phone calls? Ultimately, there were six cell phone calls, three of which were made by Tom Burnett starting at 9:30, presumably when the flight was first hijacked and traveling at its cruising altitude of 30,000+ feet (it's actually about 34,000 feet if you look at the actual data and account for the height above sea level). That brings me to Project Achilles, something often cited by Conspiracy Theorists to prove that such a call could not have been placed. You can read about it here:

http://www.physics911.net/projectachilles.htm

Here's the deal. Professor A.K. Dewdney ran four "laps" around London, Ontario airspace and only climbed to an elevation of 8,000 feet. He extrapolated his results beyond 8,000 feet up to 32,000 feet, not to mention he extrapolated his location to Pennsylvania! How do we know that the service area is the same in London, Ontario as it is in Pennsylvania?

There are a few comments about whether cell phone calls should be able to work above 30,000 feet:

According to industry experts, it is possible to use cell phones with varying success during the ascent and descent of commercial airline flights, although the difficulty of maintaining a signal appears to increase as planes gain altitude. Some older phones, which have stronger transmitters and operate on analog networks, can be used at a maximum altitude of 10 miles, while phones on newer digital systems can work at altitudes of 5 to 6 miles. A typical airline cruising altitude would be 35,000 feet, or about 6.6 miles.
Source: http://www.slate.com/id/1008297/

You can read up on a whole lot more evidence showing that it is most certainly possible to make calls at high altitudes at this page from the excellent 9/11 Myths site:

http://911myths.com/html/mobiles_at_altitude.html

And don't forget that 37 calls were placed and only 17 of them were actually successful. Many were short in duration, suggesting that the call may have been dropped. To say that these calls were executed to perfection is just plain wrong, and saying that the calls are impossible is even more wrong.

Source: http://911debunker.livejournal.com/


That's gonna leave a mark. *nods*

Hey, LN. I was just wondering if you got anymore "Zogby" polls to post, LN? Heh.

 

[Pookie]

You really exist?!

I though you were a myth, like the Easter Bunny ....

Watch it, buster.

*stern look*

*menacingly wags finger*

 

[catfish]

Why do you have to lie, LN? Quote me where I claimed they were all on airfones.

Your reputation for telling the truth is taking a serious hit these days. *nods*



Your Professor Dewdney doesn't agree with you. Too bad, so sad.


And this post provides some good info regarding UA93 ...

Ultimately, 37 phone calls were made. 17 of them were successful, meaning that about 46% of the calls placed from the plane were actually successful. I wasn't able to find whether Joseph DeLuca used a cell phone or an airfone, but he was Linda Gronlund's boyfriend and was seated right next to her. Since she used an airfone, it is very likely that DeLuca did as well. Sandra Bradshaw's first call was from an unknown person, and it is unknown whether that call came from an airfone or a cell phone. What is known is that her successful cell phone call was placed at 9:50. Ceecee Lyles attempted to use a cell phone and did not successfully place a call. She did have success with the airfone that she used.

Successful cell phone calls were placed at 9:50 by Sandra Bradshaw, 9:49 by Marion Britton, 9:58 by Edward Felt, and 9:30, 9:37 and 9:44 by Tom Burnett. Why is this important, you may ask? The fact of the matter is that there is some question as to whether cell phone calls can be successfully made at high altitudes.

Well first of all, let's address the non-cell phone calls, the ones made with airfones. These phones are, of course, designed to be used in flight, so there should be nothing suspicious about the airfone calls. Verizon has a FAQ about their airfones, and one of the questions is as follows:

Where does the Airfone Service for Verizon Wireless work?
Airfone Service has areas where coverage is not available. This is because the service uses base stations on the ground and if the plane is not in the range of the base station, service will not be available. In addition, flights that travel more than 200 miles beyond the U.S. borders will not be able to use Airfone Service for Verizon Wireless. If you are on a call using the Airfone Service for Verizon Wireless, and the plane travels more than 200 miles away from the U.S. border the call will drop. At that point, you may make a call using a service called Comsat satellite service. When calls are placed using the Comsat satellite service, you will pay a higher rate and the call will not be billed to your Verizon Wireless phone bill. Please refer to the in-flight materials for more information on Comsat satellite calling including instructions for calling, coverage and rates.
Source: http://support.vzw.com/faqs/Feature...rfone_service_for_verizon_wireless.html#item5

It stops working when you travel outside of U.S. borders, not when you reach a certain elevation. You'll find other questions regarding in-flight phone calls, and it appears that elevation is never an issue with airfones.

So what about the cell phone calls? Ultimately, there were six cell phone calls, three of which were made by Tom Burnett starting at 9:30, presumably when the flight was first hijacked and traveling at its cruising altitude of 30,000+ feet (it's actually about 34,000 feet if you look at the actual data and account for the height above sea level). That brings me to Project Achilles, something often cited by Conspiracy Theorists to prove that such a call could not have been placed. You can read about it here:

http://www.physics911.net/projectachilles.htm

Here's the deal. Professor A.K. Dewdney ran four "laps" around London, Ontario airspace and only climbed to an elevation of 8,000 feet. He extrapolated his results beyond 8,000 feet up to 32,000 feet, not to mention he extrapolated his location to Pennsylvania! How do we know that the service area is the same in London, Ontario as it is in Pennsylvania?

There are a few comments about whether cell phone calls should be able to work above 30,000 feet:

According to industry experts, it is possible to use cell phones with varying success during the ascent and descent of commercial airline flights, although the difficulty of maintaining a signal appears to increase as planes gain altitude. Some older phones, which have stronger transmitters and operate on analog networks, can be used at a maximum altitude of 10 miles, while phones on newer digital systems can work at altitudes of 5 to 6 miles. A typical airline cruising altitude would be 35,000 feet, or about 6.6 miles.
Source: http://www.slate.com/id/1008297/

You can read up on a whole lot more evidence showing that it is most certainly possible to make calls at high altitudes at this page from the excellent 9/11 Myths site:

http://911myths.com/html/mobiles_at_altitude.html

And don't forget that 37 calls were placed and only 17 of them were actually successful. Many were short in duration, suggesting that the call may have been dropped. To say that these calls were executed to perfection is just plain wrong, and saying that the calls are impossible is even more wrong.

Source: http://911debunker.livejournal.com/


That's gonna leave a mark. *nods*

Hey, LN. I was just wondering if you got anymore "Zogby" polls to post, LN? Heh.

Pookie, you are the hottest government shill on the GB and the smartest.

 

[Pookie]

Poor Pookie can only wriggle and squirm in her defense of an indefensible pile of LIES which nobody believes.

LOL.

You so cute.

How many copies of "Loose Change" did you buy ... before you realized you could watch it for free over the intrawebs?

Oh, and about "Loose Change":

Korey Rowe is part of Louder then Words company, the guys who did Loose Change. He recently had an interview on AlterNet, and stated the following in the interview.

ROWE: We know there are errors in the documentary, and we've actually left them in there so that people discredit us ....

http://alternet.org/story/40476/



LOL

 

[Pookie]

Pookie, you are the hottest government shill on the GB and the smartest.

*curtsy*

 

[KRCummings]

*curtsy*

Won't make a bit of difference ya know. I tried to explain how buildings work once. Didn't do a damn bit of good.

 

[Pookie]

Damn, you are boring, same drivel day in day out, what is the point of it?

T-shirt and video sales are declining. She's gotta do something to drum up new business. The blood money seems to be drying up.

 

[Pookie]

Won't make a bit of difference ya know. I tried to explain how buildings work once. Didn't do a damn bit of good.

She's a scam artist. I have no illusions of trying to change her mind.

It's those that she might sucker into her scam that I hope to influence a little.

And I truly believe the "Truth Movement" groans everytimes she spams the intrawebs.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Da plane, boss. Da plane.

I'm not trying to belittle anything by saying that. I just wanted to keep my response short.


BTW, LN. If you happen to be a "no-beamer", are you a "planer" or a "no-planer"?

I've been out on the deck all day trying to call planes flying overhead. The operator thinks I'm nuts in two languages...

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

I was going to say hello to LN.

Ya'll need to play nicer...

Be dumb like me.

 

[Pookie]

Marion Britton - 13 minutes call from a cellphone
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010922gtenat4p4.asp

Let's repeat this WOW, A WHOLE THIRTEEN MINUTES!!! Amazing bullshit

Where in the article does it say Marion Britton's call was 13 minutes? I see where Todd Beamer's was 13 minutes, but that was on an airfone.

The only thing I've found for Marion Britton's cell phone call is that it was almost 4 minutes. http://911debunker.livejournal.com/ .


Why the need to be deceptive, LN? Is the truth on your side or not?