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Canada, Germany and USA are the only nations on that list with populations greater than 22 million, so for bigger countries they're doing well.
This time, ami has a point....
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Canada, Germany and USA are the only nations on that list with populations greater than 22 million, so for bigger countries they're doing well.
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reply re Norway
ami,
your points about Norway make no sense and are not grounded in fact. your quick research disclosed: Norway has a King
(a constitutional monarch a bit like in England). It has lots of Oil and oil revenue. It is a social democracy or so called by the US rightwing, a 'welfare state'.
it's hardly "slave" as you suggest, and the Libya [or Saudi] comparison goes only so far as lots of oil revenue, *nothing else*. norway is a functioning parliamentary democracy/republic rated more democratic than the US. FURTHER, as in my above post, "economic freedom" in norway is substantial. it's in the top 30 in the world, similar in level of freedom to Germany and Taiwan.
because its gov't owns its oil reserves is neither here not there, as regards freedom, civil liberties, democracy 'republic status'; and has not much to do with economic freedom.
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NOTE: Freedom House, another conservative organization making lists of 'free countries,' lists Finland, Netherlands, Germany and Norway as 'free' in terms of democracy and civil liberties; a fact which can only surprise amicus, and not anyone who knows about Europe.
http://www.freedomhouse.org/uploads/fiw10/FIW_2010_Tables_and_Graphs.pdf
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ami [Norway is] A tidy little socialist state, comparable to Oil rich Arab States that use the bulk of their petro dollars to build ornamental tributes to their Kings and toadies.
Long live Norway, a slave State with oil.
ami,
your points about Norway make no sense and are not grounded in fact. your quick research disclosed: Norway has a King
(a constitutional monarch a bit like in England). It has lots of Oil and oil revenue. It is a social democracy or so called by the US rightwing, a 'welfare state'.
it's hardly "slave" as you suggest, and the Libya [or Saudi] comparison goes only so far as lots of oil revenue, *nothing else*. norway is a functioning parliamentary democracy/republic rated more democratic than the US. FURTHER, as in my above post, "economic freedom" in norway is substantial. it's in the top 30 in the world, similar in level of freedom to Germany and Taiwan.
because its gov't owns its oil reserves is neither here not there, as regards freedom, civil liberties, democracy 'republic status'; and has not much to do with economic freedom.
===
NOTE: Freedom House, another conservative organization making lists of 'free countries,' lists Finland, Netherlands, Germany and Norway as 'free' in terms of democracy and civil liberties; a fact which can only surprise amicus, and not anyone who knows about Europe.
http://www.freedomhouse.org/uploads/fiw10/FIW_2010_Tables_and_Graphs.pdf
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ami [Norway is] A tidy little socialist state, comparable to Oil rich Arab States that use the bulk of their petro dollars to build ornamental tributes to their Kings and toadies.
Long live Norway, a slave State with oil.
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I've been following this thread out of the corner of my eye with a bit of amusement, and a bit of sadness. Amusement because of the surety with which you posters hold on to your diametrically opposed opinions. Sadness for the same reason.
This thread started with Stephan55 wondering if humanity is nothing more than a collection of atoms with no purpose. He agreed with amicus that we should all state and explain our personal philosophy, and presented a condensed form of his own. Others here presented their own personal ideas as well.
Before I get into my own philosophy, I will make an observation about the members of this forum. We are all birds of a feather, people who have an interest in writing. Whatever our situation--or predicament--is, we are all, more or less, of equal intelligence and moral character. On the surface, it would seem that we should all agree on just about everything, but we do not. We often disagree, ferociously and even viciously. Why is that?
Well, all humans are endowed--or cursed--with the power of reason. We also are fitted out with imagination and willpower. Our problem is that Reason is dependent on on the five senses which feed it with information about what is going on around us. Our sensory apparatus is often faulty, sending incomplete or false or no information (percepts) to our reasoning center. Poor or no vision, or hearing, tastes that are really scents, are common examples. Another example of this is how well a magician performing on stage can make us wonder if his pretty assistant is really levitated or sawed in half. We reason that such things are clever tricks, illusions. But something in our Imagination says, "maybe not, maybe it really is, 'magic.' "
Faulty perception makes for faulty reasoning. Faulty reasoning, combined with imagination stirs the emotions. Emotions propel us to action. This is where Willpower comes in. We perceive, we reason and imagine, then take, or not take, action. And this is when we often make mistakes. The joker in the deck is the filter through which the product of reason must pass.
This filter, itself, is always changing with experience. It doesn't change how we conduct ourselves until, like the leading edge of a glacier, it reaches a certain point and calves in a cascade into the sea. When that point is reached, it is no longer a glacier; it is an iceberg.
Similarly, in humans, when that filter reaches a certain point, it changes dramatically. Paradigm shift is one term for the change. Seeing the light is another. An atheist will become an ardent believer, an ardent believer will become an atheist, a crook will go straight; a drunk becomes a teetotaler, the teetotaler takes to booze; a democrat goes republican; a protestant converts to catholicism. Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
Homo sapiens is the only species capable of making mistakes. All others operate on instinct alone. They cannot make a mistake. We make them all the time. When--or if--we experience a paradigm shift, our life changes and we begin making a whole new series of mistakes. That's all I have to say about this.
As to my own personal philosophy, it can be condensed into a few words: All is One; One is All. Why? Space and time are illusions, real, but not actual. Of course, I may be wrong.
This thread started with Stephan55 wondering if humanity is nothing more than a collection of atoms with no purpose. He agreed with amicus that we should all state and explain our personal philosophy, and presented a condensed form of his own. Others here presented their own personal ideas as well.
Before I get into my own philosophy, I will make an observation about the members of this forum. We are all birds of a feather, people who have an interest in writing. Whatever our situation--or predicament--is, we are all, more or less, of equal intelligence and moral character. On the surface, it would seem that we should all agree on just about everything, but we do not. We often disagree, ferociously and even viciously. Why is that?
Well, all humans are endowed--or cursed--with the power of reason. We also are fitted out with imagination and willpower. Our problem is that Reason is dependent on on the five senses which feed it with information about what is going on around us. Our sensory apparatus is often faulty, sending incomplete or false or no information (percepts) to our reasoning center. Poor or no vision, or hearing, tastes that are really scents, are common examples. Another example of this is how well a magician performing on stage can make us wonder if his pretty assistant is really levitated or sawed in half. We reason that such things are clever tricks, illusions. But something in our Imagination says, "maybe not, maybe it really is, 'magic.' "
Faulty perception makes for faulty reasoning. Faulty reasoning, combined with imagination stirs the emotions. Emotions propel us to action. This is where Willpower comes in. We perceive, we reason and imagine, then take, or not take, action. And this is when we often make mistakes. The joker in the deck is the filter through which the product of reason must pass.
This filter, itself, is always changing with experience. It doesn't change how we conduct ourselves until, like the leading edge of a glacier, it reaches a certain point and calves in a cascade into the sea. When that point is reached, it is no longer a glacier; it is an iceberg.
Similarly, in humans, when that filter reaches a certain point, it changes dramatically. Paradigm shift is one term for the change. Seeing the light is another. An atheist will become an ardent believer, an ardent believer will become an atheist, a crook will go straight; a drunk becomes a teetotaler, the teetotaler takes to booze; a democrat goes republican; a protestant converts to catholicism. Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
Homo sapiens is the only species capable of making mistakes. All others operate on instinct alone. They cannot make a mistake. We make them all the time. When--or if--we experience a paradigm shift, our life changes and we begin making a whole new series of mistakes. That's all I have to say about this.
As to my own personal philosophy, it can be condensed into a few words: All is One; One is All. Why? Space and time are illusions, real, but not actual. Of course, I may be wrong.
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Squarejohn...an interesting and informative Post, as it concerns your own personal perceptions of reality...
But...there is only one 'reality'...and our task, as sentient beings, is to do our best to perceive that reality as it is, independent of what we think it should be or wish it to be.
Pure & Stephen, both Canadians, in reality, those without a Country, and I, have an ongoing debate over two basic issues:
One, over whether man can accurately perceive reality and two, if man can rule himself.
This fragments into many facets, in all disciplines, and the conclusions are inevitable, depending upon your basic premises, assumptions, or axiomatic truths.
a. Cogito, ergo sum
That may seem a trivial statement, but consider: "I am, therefore I am."
Existence precedes thought, or thinking.
In Descarte's world, existence comes about by the function of the mind; we think, therefore we exist, and our existence is subjective and relative, depending upon our thoughts. Sheer foolishness.
"Instinct" is a very misused term. Salmon, born in the headstream of a river, migrate to the open ocean, live there for a few years and then make their way back to the creek that gave them birth, mate, and die, and this is misidentified as, 'instinct'; it is not.
In reality, the life of a Salmon (there are exceptions, landlocked salmon being one), is a matter of biological responses, chemical sensitivity, magnetic influence, smell and taste, concerning the chemical content of the water in which they were born.
Man is the only species born with the potential to function by rational choice. That potential is seldom realized to its' fullest degree, as it is much easier to simply go along with the crowd and set aside one's ability to reason independently of others.
Pure and Stephen are of the Descartes camp wherein group behavior is equated to rational thought when it is definitely not. Humans can surely display herd or school behavior, mammals or fish, and justify that behavior in terms of the greater good for the whole of the herd, or school of fish.
The individual versus the collective is at the very root of my disagreement with those who advocate sacrificing individual choice based on rational self interest. One can easily prove, in terms of logic and reason, that values are created by the existence of the individual human being and not the collective.
Writers, actors and other celebrities, as they portray humanity from a stand-apart perspective, and can create characters and values inabsentia, the pretend world of fiction, often lose contact with reality and those values that are the foundations of human life. In doing so, they lose the meaning and the purpose of life, and degenerate into the classical Hedonist mindset wherein 'pleasure' becomes their primary objective.
We come into this world as complete, separate and unique individuals; self contained and unto ourselves. The meaning and purpose of each life is contained in its' own existence and is not stolen or adopted from others.
Pure & Stephen are but two of the supremely arrogant and self proclaimed superior intellects who truly believe they are destined to rule over others because of their self proclaimed ability to know what is best for all others.
They are not and they do not control anyone. They cannot force doctors and nurse to care for others in an altruistic manner, they cannot force a single man to sacrifice his time, energy or wealth, to sustain others. They can only call upon their puny rhetoric, like an Evangelical, to persuade others to sacrifice for their benefit.
My true sin is to point this out, again and again; which is why they continually confront my assertions of individual values because I threaten their intellectual existence.
Without a belief in the Collective, as they both express, time after time, they would have no individual identity at all. Without the group, ala Descartes, they have no existence.
Amicus Veritas
ah, by the way...free ebooks for the next four days...coupon RE100 http://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/therealamicus
There are no politics in my stories...and the value system is only implicit, not explicit....
But...there is only one 'reality'...and our task, as sentient beings, is to do our best to perceive that reality as it is, independent of what we think it should be or wish it to be.
Pure & Stephen, both Canadians, in reality, those without a Country, and I, have an ongoing debate over two basic issues:
One, over whether man can accurately perceive reality and two, if man can rule himself.
This fragments into many facets, in all disciplines, and the conclusions are inevitable, depending upon your basic premises, assumptions, or axiomatic truths.
a. Cogito, ergo sum
http://www.iep.utm.edu/descarte/#SH4a
That may seem a trivial statement, but consider: "I am, therefore I am."
Existence precedes thought, or thinking.
In Descarte's world, existence comes about by the function of the mind; we think, therefore we exist, and our existence is subjective and relative, depending upon our thoughts. Sheer foolishness.
"Instinct" is a very misused term. Salmon, born in the headstream of a river, migrate to the open ocean, live there for a few years and then make their way back to the creek that gave them birth, mate, and die, and this is misidentified as, 'instinct'; it is not.
In reality, the life of a Salmon (there are exceptions, landlocked salmon being one), is a matter of biological responses, chemical sensitivity, magnetic influence, smell and taste, concerning the chemical content of the water in which they were born.
Man is the only species born with the potential to function by rational choice. That potential is seldom realized to its' fullest degree, as it is much easier to simply go along with the crowd and set aside one's ability to reason independently of others.
Pure and Stephen are of the Descartes camp wherein group behavior is equated to rational thought when it is definitely not. Humans can surely display herd or school behavior, mammals or fish, and justify that behavior in terms of the greater good for the whole of the herd, or school of fish.
The individual versus the collective is at the very root of my disagreement with those who advocate sacrificing individual choice based on rational self interest. One can easily prove, in terms of logic and reason, that values are created by the existence of the individual human being and not the collective.
Writers, actors and other celebrities, as they portray humanity from a stand-apart perspective, and can create characters and values inabsentia, the pretend world of fiction, often lose contact with reality and those values that are the foundations of human life. In doing so, they lose the meaning and the purpose of life, and degenerate into the classical Hedonist mindset wherein 'pleasure' becomes their primary objective.
We come into this world as complete, separate and unique individuals; self contained and unto ourselves. The meaning and purpose of each life is contained in its' own existence and is not stolen or adopted from others.
Pure & Stephen are but two of the supremely arrogant and self proclaimed superior intellects who truly believe they are destined to rule over others because of their self proclaimed ability to know what is best for all others.
They are not and they do not control anyone. They cannot force doctors and nurse to care for others in an altruistic manner, they cannot force a single man to sacrifice his time, energy or wealth, to sustain others. They can only call upon their puny rhetoric, like an Evangelical, to persuade others to sacrifice for their benefit.
My true sin is to point this out, again and again; which is why they continually confront my assertions of individual values because I threaten their intellectual existence.
Without a belief in the Collective, as they both express, time after time, they would have no individual identity at all. Without the group, ala Descartes, they have no existence.
Amicus Veritas
ah, by the way...free ebooks for the next four days...coupon RE100 http://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/therealamicus
There are no politics in my stories...and the value system is only implicit, not explicit....
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individual and collective
ami has this problem with representative democracies like Canada, France and Germany, where tens of millions of voters vote in their constitutional process, in a way he doesn't approve, year after year. if you don't vote in the Ayn Rand approved way, you're a slave.
he also has trouble seeing that individuals are doing quite well outside the US, which is NOT leading the world in protecting individual rights said to be "guaranteed" under its Bill of Rights:
in the US, some individuals have been held with charges; some individuals have been tortured. the Chief Executive decides if you're a terrorist, and if so, you're history. there is no judicial recourse, since the fellow is Commander in Chief, and an unending war is going on and the US counts as battlefield. youre in a way, *lucky* if you fall under the Uniform Code of Military justice, but even then, accused Bradley Manning was recently held naked in a cell, for 7 days.
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/04/bradley-manning-army-private-held-in-wikileaks-case-left-naked/
you see, some individuals do not count, for amicus.
US sacrifices individuals to the collective quite routinely. About 20 of the newly born die *every day* to keep healthcare in in the gentle hands of private giants like Aetna, Wellpoint, and Cigna, whose profits are at record highs
Largest US Health Insurance Companies
May 10, 2010 Daniel Workman
Humana Headquarters in Louisville - Dishwasherrat (Wikimedia Commons)
Among top US health insurers, UnitedHealth Group and WellPoint lead in revenues, earnings and financial strength.
America’s top 10 health insurance companies generated over $287 billion in sales during 2009. That represents a 7.2% gain over the $268 billion posted just one year earlier.
These titans of the health insurance sector are highly profitable. Overall, the 10 largest US health insurers garnered $12.7 billion in profits during 2009 – up a formidable 53.6% from $8.3 billion in 2008.
Read more at Suite101: Largest US Health Insurance Companies http://www.suite101.com/content/largest-us-health-insurance-companies-a235788#ixzz1G81828Gd
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black individuals face twice the unemployment rates as white, because, you see, blacks tend to be lazy.
women almost never get elected to the US Senate, because, you see, their periods befuddle them too much to run election campaigns. there are 16 women senators (of 100).
once elected to office, having periods, bearing and nursing children, renders them incapable of working effectively. only 6 are state governors (of 50), and their emotional highs and lows take dreadful toll, as witness the recent resignation of Alaska Governor, Sarah Palin.
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amiWe come into this world as complete, separate and unique individuals; self contained and unto ourselves. The meaning and purpose of each life is contained in its' [sic] own existence and is not stolen or adopted from others.
Pure & Stephen are but two of the supremely arrogant and self proclaimed superior intellects who truly believe they are destined to rule over others because of their self proclaimed ability to know what is best for all others.
ami has this problem with representative democracies like Canada, France and Germany, where tens of millions of voters vote in their constitutional process, in a way he doesn't approve, year after year. if you don't vote in the Ayn Rand approved way, you're a slave.
he also has trouble seeing that individuals are doing quite well outside the US, which is NOT leading the world in protecting individual rights said to be "guaranteed" under its Bill of Rights:
in the US, some individuals have been held with charges; some individuals have been tortured. the Chief Executive decides if you're a terrorist, and if so, you're history. there is no judicial recourse, since the fellow is Commander in Chief, and an unending war is going on and the US counts as battlefield. youre in a way, *lucky* if you fall under the Uniform Code of Military justice, but even then, accused Bradley Manning was recently held naked in a cell, for 7 days.
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/04/bradley-manning-army-private-held-in-wikileaks-case-left-naked/
you see, some individuals do not count, for amicus.
US sacrifices individuals to the collective quite routinely. About 20 of the newly born die *every day* to keep healthcare in in the gentle hands of private giants like Aetna, Wellpoint, and Cigna, whose profits are at record highs
Largest US Health Insurance Companies
May 10, 2010 Daniel Workman
Humana Headquarters in Louisville - Dishwasherrat (Wikimedia Commons)
Among top US health insurers, UnitedHealth Group and WellPoint lead in revenues, earnings and financial strength.
America’s top 10 health insurance companies generated over $287 billion in sales during 2009. That represents a 7.2% gain over the $268 billion posted just one year earlier.
These titans of the health insurance sector are highly profitable. Overall, the 10 largest US health insurers garnered $12.7 billion in profits during 2009 – up a formidable 53.6% from $8.3 billion in 2008.
Read more at Suite101: Largest US Health Insurance Companies http://www.suite101.com/content/largest-us-health-insurance-companies-a235788#ixzz1G81828Gd
===============================================
black individuals face twice the unemployment rates as white, because, you see, blacks tend to be lazy.
women almost never get elected to the US Senate, because, you see, their periods befuddle them too much to run election campaigns. there are 16 women senators (of 100).
once elected to office, having periods, bearing and nursing children, renders them incapable of working effectively. only 6 are state governors (of 50), and their emotional highs and lows take dreadful toll, as witness the recent resignation of Alaska Governor, Sarah Palin.
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amiWe come into this world as complete, separate and unique individuals; self contained and unto ourselves. The meaning and purpose of each life is contained in its' [sic] own existence and is not stolen or adopted from others.
Pure & Stephen are but two of the supremely arrogant and self proclaimed superior intellects who truly believe they are destined to rule over others because of their self proclaimed ability to know what is best for all others.
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Essentially, in most of these listed Nations, the government owns and runs everything. It determines what is produced and who works and what they are paid, along with their health and retirement plans. Lip service is paid to the free enterprise portion of those societies, which are, by definition, State Capitalism, as in China, and function as a tool of the government.
Amicus
Essentially, ami is wrong...again.
The governments of the countries listed do not own everything and do not determine what is produced. Ami, being constitutionally unable to accept that a country can have a free enterprise economy, a parliamentary democracy and still provide cost effective and workable social programs such as health care, I'm not surprised that ami continues to spout this Randian bullshit.
Having worked in private practice as a family doc, where I wanted, how I wanted and when I wanted, I'm waiting for ami to yet again tell me that I was a slave to a Marxist system and a prisoner of the soulless collective etc., etc...
Ami, get your head out of Ayn's ass and have a look around. Take off Peikoff's opaque black glasses and open your eyes. The world is what it is. Your never ending comments to the contrary doesn't change that.
Amicus
Essentially, ami is wrong...again.
The governments of the countries listed do not own everything and do not determine what is produced. Ami, being constitutionally unable to accept that a country can have a free enterprise economy, a parliamentary democracy and still provide cost effective and workable social programs such as health care, I'm not surprised that ami continues to spout this Randian bullshit.
Having worked in private practice as a family doc, where I wanted, how I wanted and when I wanted, I'm waiting for ami to yet again tell me that I was a slave to a Marxist system and a prisoner of the soulless collective etc., etc...
Ami, get your head out of Ayn's ass and have a look around. Take off Peikoff's opaque black glasses and open your eyes. The world is what it is. Your never ending comments to the contrary doesn't change that.
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The Canadian National system of socialized medicine finally relented and released a terminally ill child to his parents, who quickly transported him to an American Hospital in St. Louis.
Canada is a pipsqueak little country that has Nationalized all its natural resources and squanders the income on 'free stuff' for all its indigent and unemployed citizens.
Like every other 'Statist' society, Canada will eventually rot from within as a greater and greater percentage depend on government handouts for their existence and life becomes meaningless in terms of personal achievements and accomplishments.
Why the barely functioning social democracies of Europe continue to sacrifice individual choice for comfort and nanny State security, cradle to grave care, I will never understand. I compare it to the religious zealots of every faith who 'belief' they will attain Nirvana by sacrificing self.
Communist China just released their latest 'five year plan', similar to the previous five year plan, but more repressive...one wonders just how long the growing middle class in China will tolerate the oppression of human rights for the greater good.
Canada and the other socialist democracies are riding the back of the Tiger, frightened to get off and hanging on for dear life, but the future is inevitable.
Not that I expect you to understand the moral and ethical aspects of human existence on an individual level, but perhaps others may.
Amicus Veritas
Canada is a pipsqueak little country that has Nationalized all its natural resources and squanders the income on 'free stuff' for all its indigent and unemployed citizens.
Like every other 'Statist' society, Canada will eventually rot from within as a greater and greater percentage depend on government handouts for their existence and life becomes meaningless in terms of personal achievements and accomplishments.
Why the barely functioning social democracies of Europe continue to sacrifice individual choice for comfort and nanny State security, cradle to grave care, I will never understand. I compare it to the religious zealots of every faith who 'belief' they will attain Nirvana by sacrificing self.
Communist China just released their latest 'five year plan', similar to the previous five year plan, but more repressive...one wonders just how long the growing middle class in China will tolerate the oppression of human rights for the greater good.
Canada and the other socialist democracies are riding the back of the Tiger, frightened to get off and hanging on for dear life, but the future is inevitable.
Not that I expect you to understand the moral and ethical aspects of human existence on an individual level, but perhaps others may.
Amicus Veritas
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Can't believe that Ami is still winding you all up!
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The Canadian National system of socialized medicine finally relented and released a terminally ill child to his parents, who quickly transported him to an American Hospital in St. Louis.
Canada is a pipsqueak little country that has Nationalized all its natural resources and squanders the income on 'free stuff' for all its indigent and unemployed citizens.
Like every other 'Statist' society, Canada will eventually rot from within as a greater and greater percentage depend on government handouts for their existence and life becomes meaningless in terms of personal achievements and accomplishments.
Why the barely functioning social democracies of Europe continue to sacrifice individual choice for comfort and nanny State security, cradle to grave care, I will never understand. I compare it to the religious zealots of every faith who 'belief' they will attain Nirvana by sacrificing self.
Communist China just released their latest 'five year plan', similar to the previous five year plan, but more repressive...one wonders just how long the growing middle class in China will tolerate the oppression of human rights for the greater good.
Canada and the other socialist democracies are riding the back of the Tiger, frightened to get off and hanging on for dear life, but the future is inevitable.
Not that I expect you to understand the moral and ethical aspects of human existence on an individual level, but perhaps others may.
Amicus Veritas
Are you a total fucking retard, or just practicing? This has got to be the most incredulous piece of shit I have ever read. Nothing has confirmed it to everyone how sick you really are and need large doses of lithium or a frontal lobotomy, in my opinion, than this. I thought you were a fuck up before. Now I know you are. Please, stay where ever the fuck you are, in whatever hole you call home and just die.
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I note the quality of responses is still lower than whale shit...no biggee and not unexpected from this lice infested forum.
I was inevitable, I suppose, that the Grand Experiment in human individual Liberty, would be called upon to defend itself against the hordes of barbarian socialists and altruists that have always plagued mankind.
I do, however, know with certainty, that the nature of man and his long quest to be free of others, will re-emerge even more vital than before.
My literary problem with the consequences, what to do with all the bleeding heart parasites when the Revolution comes, has but two solutions; eradicate them or pen them up somewhere and let them cannabalize each other.
Amicus Veritas
I was inevitable, I suppose, that the Grand Experiment in human individual Liberty, would be called upon to defend itself against the hordes of barbarian socialists and altruists that have always plagued mankind.
I do, however, know with certainty, that the nature of man and his long quest to be free of others, will re-emerge even more vital than before.
My literary problem with the consequences, what to do with all the bleeding heart parasites when the Revolution comes, has but two solutions; eradicate them or pen them up somewhere and let them cannabalize each other.
Amicus Veritas
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Apparently those who don't know you well enough not to just blow you off believe they have to stoop down to where you are to have any sort of discussion with you.
Happily, you'll be dead before any revolution comes.
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I note the quality of responses is still lower than whale shit...no biggee and not unexpected from this lice infested forum.
I was inevitable, I suppose, that the Grand Experiment in human individual Liberty, would be called upon to defend itself against the hordes of barbarian socialists and altruists that have always plagued mankind.
I do, however, know with certainty, that the nature of man and his long quest to be free of others, will re-emerge even more vital than before.
My literary problem with the consequences, what to do with all the bleeding heart parasites when the Revolution comes, has but two solutions; eradicate them or pen them up somewhere and let them cannabalize each other.
Amicus Veritas
I fill my toilet bowl with better shit than you write. Find an island and rule yourself the way you want. If someone is stupid enough to join you, be prepared for assassination to happen to you. You and your opinions aren't worth a flying fuck in Stupidville. I bet you have a BIG bowl of Stupid-O's every morning, don't you?
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Yeah Ami whatever - why don't you find somewhere that will respond in the way you think your posts deserve rather than put up with the whale spit? I would regard whale spit as being quite a big deal actually - imagine getting caught in that - yeauch!
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It isn't just the progressive liberal left wing social issues of baby killing and butt fucking that has taken center stage; it is the bankrupting of a nation and the destruction of an energy system that should trouble youse twits.
Your policies of high taxes have driven industry out of the country and your environmental suicide will subject the Nation to a power shortage that is just over the horizon.
Your nanny State entitlements have proven disastrous and still you bellow for more free stuff from government, more controls, more rules and regulations. Only if you are employed by Government at some level, will you still have a rice bowl left in the near future.
Good luck on it...
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Your policies of high taxes have driven industry out of the country and your environmental suicide will subject the Nation to a power shortage that is just over the horizon.
Your nanny State entitlements have proven disastrous and still you bellow for more free stuff from government, more controls, more rules and regulations. Only if you are employed by Government at some level, will you still have a rice bowl left in the near future.
Good luck on it...
Amicus Veritas
stephen55
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Your absence will not be noticed.
der amicus
Free!! Free at last!!
It was a close call, but I got off on a legal technicality.
A Canadian Appeal's Court judge found that der Amicus is not legally allowed to sentence Canadians to the Gulag, but in fact is nothing but a "pea-brained, walking pile of mid-twentieth century Randroid clap-trap and a repugnant example of...".
I have to stop the quote here because it tends to get a bit personal. I will say it says something about the type of hypocritical, parasitic free-loader who shuns paying taxes but accepts American Medicare benefits so he can continue to "live free".
Oops...did I say that?
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I think I heard somewhere that 10,000 baby boomers are retiring every day; they all paid into the Ponzi scheme of Social Security, believing the promises of the Government to finance their retirement with their savings.
Should you have served 20 years in the Military or some Federal Public Union jobs, you can also retire after 20 years...you pay into Social Security from the first day of your first job but you can't retire until age 62-65-67 and soon to be higher. That is over 40 years of contributions for the private citizen who pays for the 20 year double dippers of public servants...
Medicare is also a mandatory program you are forced to pay into and cannot receive benefits until age 65, and then only partial benefits and even after you retire, you keep on paying premiums.
Entitlements are bankrupting Euro Nations, one after the other and the writing is on the wall in the US also, as there is no money in the SS or Medicare coffers, only promisory notes as the Government spent all the money categorizing flutterbies in Tierra del Fuego.
Please, someone defend just one socialist democracy, anywhere, please?
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Should you have served 20 years in the Military or some Federal Public Union jobs, you can also retire after 20 years...you pay into Social Security from the first day of your first job but you can't retire until age 62-65-67 and soon to be higher. That is over 40 years of contributions for the private citizen who pays for the 20 year double dippers of public servants...
Medicare is also a mandatory program you are forced to pay into and cannot receive benefits until age 65, and then only partial benefits and even after you retire, you keep on paying premiums.
Entitlements are bankrupting Euro Nations, one after the other and the writing is on the wall in the US also, as there is no money in the SS or Medicare coffers, only promisory notes as the Government spent all the money categorizing flutterbies in Tierra del Fuego.
Please, someone defend just one socialist democracy, anywhere, please?
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I am a Libertarian and believe that "The government that governs least governs best."
However, Sweden is often cited as the best example of socialist democracy.
Norway is an interesting example but not generalizable because Norway enjoys huge oil revenues to subsidize entitlements. In fact, so does Alaska.
Switzerland will not suffer a financial crisis in my lifetime, and it has very generous social benefits with low personal taxes. However, It is famously xenophobic and partially ruled by a direct democracy of "old money" families that is indistinguishable from oligarchy from an outsider's perspective.
However, Sweden is often cited as the best example of socialist democracy.
Norway is an interesting example but not generalizable because Norway enjoys huge oil revenues to subsidize entitlements. In fact, so does Alaska.
Switzerland will not suffer a financial crisis in my lifetime, and it has very generous social benefits with low personal taxes. However, It is famously xenophobic and partially ruled by a direct democracy of "old money" families that is indistinguishable from oligarchy from an outsider's perspective.
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And the winds' will wiles the assailing seas
Bringing bountiful words who want of wit.
Say the slovensome who marvel m'larkey,
"Be bold and bear us the rambles of Rand!"
Who quits is quiët, and we thank them all,
But who raises the riles and tott'rs the teeters
Are nothing, nought of the keen of the kith.
Bringing bountiful words who want of wit.
Say the slovensome who marvel m'larkey,
"Be bold and bear us the rambles of Rand!"
Who quits is quiët, and we thank them all,
But who raises the riles and tott'rs the teeters
Are nothing, nought of the keen of the kith.
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As a Libertarian, I side with any people who exercise rights of free association including collective bargaining. Libertarians must support unions including government employee unions by definition. It is a matter of liberty. However, a Libertarian can support the inalienable rights of union members while advocating that the government drive a hard bargain in negotiations. It has been 40 years of bad contracts that got states into trouble. All employees ask for more than they deserve, and only stupid employers give it to them. Surprise surprise, our governments are stupid at all levels.
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Marlow is a town and a famous person. Bunny is an unfortunate nickname that I acquired in college. I could say it was because I did _it_ with the frequency of a bunny, but that's not the genesis of the name. Does anybody get the nickname they really want?
I was born in Europe to USA service personnel and benefit from dual citizenship (USA and a particular European country that I won't yet name). I vastly prefer to live in the USA, but I admire qualities of the unnamed European country. My parents were the children of immigrants, so I continue to have family in places like South Africa and unnamed European countries.
I am being cagy about the particular country to avoid prematurely admitting my bias
The biggest cultural and political difference that I observed is that USA residents are more optimistic and ambitious (in general). Many Europeans seem to just accept that they are pigeon holed in a certain social role and it can never change. It is easier to demand services from government if you believe the services will be financed by your "betters", and you and your children will never be "better" yourselves. If you think you or your children might someday be a rich capitalists, it is harder to adopt the "stick it to the capitalist" mentality.
Immigrants and Anglo-Americans including Anglo-Canadians are probably unrealistically optimistic. Many Europeans are unrealistically pessimistic about social and economic mobility.
Also, USA culture venerates "fairness" in sports and business. We all expect to be teated fairly if not equally. That's why you hear people ask, "Is it fair to take rich people's money? Didn't they work hard to earn it?" When it doesn't look like rich people got rich fair and square, the average guy gets pissed!
Europe has a much longer tradition of rich families going back to landed nobility. Few people think the aristocrats got where they are fair and square. The average guy expects to be treated like a serf by people who believe in divine mandates and hereditary titles. Therefore, the people take a "fuck them" attitude. Note: Germany seems to have the weakest resentment of perceived aristocrats, but German aristocrats have been treating serfs relatively well for the last 150 years.
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Apropos of this thread:
I always say: if you want to know what USA government health care will be like there is no reason to guess. Visit a military hospital or Veterans Administration hospital.
I always say: if you want to know what USA government health care will be like there is no reason to guess. Visit a military hospital or Veterans Administration hospital.
