This really sux :(

[jessy19]

I've submitted two stories already to Literotica and they are rejected just because I mention a certain age but yet my characters don't do anything remotely sexual while they are underage. Does anyone actually READ the whole story before judging? I think whoever reads the submissions just reads an age and automatically it is rejected. The importance of mentioning age has a lot to do with the story and the plot. I don't have the characters engaging in sexual acts underage. This really pisses me off because they are good stories but rejected by Lit.

 

[PennLady]

I've submitted two stories already to Literotica and they are rejected just because I mention a certain age but yet my characters don't do anything remotely sexual while they are underage. Does anyone actually READ the whole story before judging? I think whoever reads the submissions just reads an age and automatically it is rejected. The importance of mentioning age has a lot to do with the story and the plot. I don't have the characters engaging in sexual acts underage. This really pisses me off because they are good stories but rejected by Lit.

Jessy, without seeing the context, it's hard to judge. I do think there might be an automated program that flags ages and other phrases, and ends up rejecting them. Something like 50+ stories are submitted every day, I think, and so one person can possibly read them all. So, that said, I'd recommend either putting a note at the top stating that no characters engaging in sexual acts are under eighteen, and/or rewording the sections that mention age to make it clear.

 

[estragon]

SA Penn Lady, I found, to my chagrin, that mentioning an age under 18 within twenty miles of anything sexual got my story banned. There must be a filter on Laurel's inbox that flags any age below 18 years, sending it off to Outer Darkness.

 

[PennLady]

SA Penn Lady, I found, to my chagrin, that mentioning an age under 18 within twenty miles of anything sexual got my story banned. There must be a filter on Laurel's inbox that flags any age below 18 years, sending it off to Outer Darkness.

I didn't realize how close I'd come to that line, in my story Facing the Past. I have a flashback and the girl says she's eighteen now (sex ensues soon after), and I never did specify the guy's age although it is heavily implied earlier that he's older than she is. Guess I got lucky.

But yes, I think there must be some kind of filter or program that flags age references, and given the volume of stories posted, I can't say I blame them for doing that.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

No. Mike and Carol Brady hate children is all.

 

[sr71plt]

You can flash back. I have one story with a guy anticipating sex for two years--and being told what to anticipate--and having it on his eighteenth birthday (as reflected even in the title). It went through without a hitch.

What new story posters aren't getting is that its a computer program that scans stories, and sometimes it picks up on the age issue and sometimes it doesn't. What they need to do is resubmit the story with an explanation in the notes box, and the human editor will review it. Nine times out of ten it will be passed into the file then.

If you worry about whether the computer program will flag it, you can put an explanation in the notes box the first time you submit and it will be reviewed by the human editor rather than the computer program.

As far as the computer program goes, you might breeze past the program by spelling the number out (which in prose text you should be doing anyway). The program may be programmed only on Arabic numbers. (Maybe some who had problems even when they wrote the numbers out can weigh in on this.)

 

[PennLady]

You can flash back. I have one story with a guy anticipating sex for two years--and being told what to anticipate--and having it on his eighteenth birthday (as reflected even in the title). It went through without a hitch.

What new story posters aren't getting is that its a computer program that scans stories, and sometimes it picks up on the age issue and sometimes it doesn't. What they need to do is resubmit the story with an explanation in the notes box, and the human editor will review it. Nine times out of ten it will be passed into the file then.

TBH, this is never a problem for me, as I prefer my protagonists (and antagonists) to be older. I might include a flashback or some other scene with them at a younger age, but I don't like my heroes/heroines to be too young. I prefer having characters at least in their late 20s. So often younger characters don't act their age, and so I assume the author has made them that age just to appeal to the crowd that gets off on the age.

I do think as you say, the solution is to include a note for the human reviewer.

 

[lovecraft68]

I've submitted two stories already to Literotica and they are rejected just because I mention a certain age but yet my characters don't do anything remotely sexual while they are underage. Does anyone actually READ the whole story before judging? I think whoever reads the submissions just reads an age and automatically it is rejected. The importance of mentioning age has a lot to do with the story and the plot. I don't have the characters engaging in sexual acts underage. This really pisses me off because they are good stories but rejected by Lit.

If you say under 18 right in the beginning you are screwed pure and simple. However if you start by having the character be 18 and after a few paragraphs start flashing back to 16 they will let it slip as long as it is not sexual but you have to establish a legal age early to put the bot's to sleep.

I had one kicked out for being dumb enough to open it with "I was sixteen..." it was non sexual but a red flag I submitted the same story with that line halfway down and the character "remembering it" and it was fine.

 

[lovecraft68]

TBH, this is never a problem for me, as I prefer my protagonists (and antagonists) to be older. I might include a flashback or some other scene with them at a younger age, but I don't like my heroes/heroines to be too young. I prefer having characters at least in their late 20s. So often younger characters don't act their age, and so I assume the author has made them that age just to appeal to the crowd that gets off on the age.

I do think as you say, the solution is to include a note for the human reviewer.

Depends on the category you are writing in. Incest and First time would feature characters around 18. Because incest between sibs would happen when they are young and still living together (mostly, I have read adult incest stories where they "hook up" later in life) and first time is just ridiculous much older than 18.

Ironically I have my series with the sibs in their thirties and do a lot of flashbacks. I only got nailed the once because I didn't have a firm grasp on how serious they took the rule. (I figured any age okay as long as sex was not present.)

 

[sr71plt]

If you say under 18 right in the beginning you are screwed pure and simple.

No, you aren't automatically screwed pure and simple--as I exampled in one of my posts above. Just as an example, in my "Big Birthday Wish" (which should have gotten the computer whirring right there), my protagonist is wondering about it at sixteen; in a sexually compromising position and close to doing it at seventeen; and fireworks are going off on his eighteenth birthday. This story posted without a hitch. And I have characters younger than eighteen--and in the preparation stages--in other stories as well. I have several with some predator salivating over a sweet young thing just waiting for that birthday--and being very suggestive.

So, no, it's not automatic.

It's a hit/miss/subjective process you have to work with when/as it occurs. And if you haven't stepped over an actual line, you can straighten it out with a simple resubmit and explanation in the notes box.

If you do have to readjust, you were just playing with where the edge was in the first place--and there's no reason why you shouldn't have to backtrack to meet the stated requirements of this Web site. If you want your story posted here.

 

[PennLady]

Depends on the category you are writing in. Incest and First time would feature characters around 18. Because incest between sibs would happen when they are young and still living together (mostly, I have read adult incest stories where they "hook up" later in life) and first time is just ridiculous much older than 18.

Ironically I have my series with the sibs in their thirties and do a lot of flashbacks. I only got nailed the once because I didn't have a firm grasp on how serious they took the rule. (I figured any age okay as long as sex was not present.)

Well, yes. I'm just talking generally. The specific instance in my story was in fact a first time, but the story as a whole was under romance. And generally again, I tend not to read incest or first time.

 

[lovecraft68]

No, you aren't automatically screwed pure and simple--as I exampled in one of my posts above. Just as an example, in my "Big Birthday Wish" (which should have gotten the computer whirring right there), my protagonist is wondering about it at sixteen; in a sexually compromising position and close to doing it at seventeen; and fireworks are going off on his eighteenth birthday. This story posted without a hitch. And I have characters younger than eighteen--and in the preparation stages--in other stories as well. I have several with some predator salivating over a sweet young thing just waiting for that birthday--and being very suggestive.

So, no, it's not automatic.

It's a hit/miss/subjective process you have to work with when/as it occurs. And if you haven't stepped over an actual line, you can straighten it out with a simple resubmit and explanation in the notes box.

If you do have to readjust, you were just playing with where the edge was in the first place--and there's no reason why you shouldn't have to backtrack to meet the stated requirements of this Web site. If you want your story posted here.

Okay, I'm going to bite the bullet here and ask something I have been meaning to and this seems an appropriate thread for it.

How the hell does a "bot" work? What does it go by and does it have any room for interpretation? I have occasionally found stories with blatant underage sex so they do sometimes slide through.

But in general I am not very "tech savvy" and have no clue how this damn thing works care to share?

 

[lovecraft68]

Well, yes. I'm just talking generally. The specific instance in my story was in fact a first time, but the story as a whole was under romance. And generally again, I tend not to read incest or first time.

Honestly I think the reader will let his own personal desires take over anyways. I know damn well the average incest reader is saw my "18" year old twins in Anniversary to Remember as younger. Not that I described them that way but in their head they want them younger. (quick hit on that story I said they were twins. In the story i state early she is 18 by referencing that she had gotten a gift for her birthday last month I got a feedback where the person asked how old the brother was. Yup, can't make this shit up!)

When I read a "first time" story I will admit to always picturing them around 16 which to me is just more "realistic". That is my reasoning for incest as well but the "family" thing makes it touchier with under age."

I find it disturbing that there are people who really want to read about 14 and under and authors who go out of their way to portray them as that young. I just asked SR the "bot" question because to me a term like "budding breasts" should sound the alarms. i have daughters you are talking anywhere from 11 up at that point.

Sadly there is a huge market for it exemplified by porn stars who are practically flat chested and shaved wearing pigtails and giving the illusion of a prepubescent teen.

 

[sr71plt]

Okay, I'm going to bite the bullet here and ask something I have been meaning to and this seems an appropriate thread for it.

How the hell does a "bot" work? What does it go by and does it have any room for interpretation? I have occasionally found stories with blatant underage sex so they do sometimes slide through.

But in general I am not very "tech savvy" and have no clue how this damn thing works care to share?

I think the Web site intends it to be a mystery. If you know how it works, it's possible you can find the way around it. It's the same with the voting system here.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

My latest series starts like this...

"It was on my twelfth birthday I noticed her as an individual. Up until that time, she had been part of the group known as relatives. It's the time in a boy's life when girls were no longer yucky. They start to be more than just a person who is not a boy. I also remember noticing my buddy's older sisters around the neighborhood. Especially, when they would lie out in their bikinis, bikini's, which are considered scandalous at the time, yet cover three times as much as the 'bikinis' of today."

Of course I let Laurel know in the notes that no sex took place before anyone was 18 and what number paragraph sex starts. It was approved on the first pass.

So put a note on the store in the editors note box.

Also got this comment:

Starting this story "as a 12 year old boy noticing girls and women" was very creepy. I was unable to read on.

I just think it was an excuse they used because they hoped it was about the 12 year old.

 

[lovecraft68]

I think the Web site intends it to be a mystery. If you know how it works, it's possible you can find the way around it. It's the same with the voting system here.

Oh, one of those if you knew they'd have to kill you kind of things. Something tells me Darkincaid might have a notion or two however.

 

[lovecraft68]

My latest series starts like this...



Of course I let Laurel know in the notes that no sex took place before anyone was 18 and what number paragraph sex starts. It was approved on the first pass.

So put a note on the store in the editors note box.

Also got this comment:



I just think it was an excuse they used because they hoped it was about the 12 year old.

I have to say I never really understood the limitation until I took a swim in the cesspool that is ASTR.

I pride myself on being very difficult to rattle but I left that site nauseous. 13 year old girls gang raped in graphic detail, girls of that age having sex with German Shepards.

Not that my stuff is not sick in it's way and I'm high brow in anyway but I wouldn't be caught dead writing over there.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I have to say I never really understood the limitation until I took a swim in the cesspool that is ASTR.

I pride myself on being very difficult to rattle but I left that site nauseous. 13 year old girls gang raped in graphic detail, girls of that age having sex with German Shepards.

Not that my stuff is not sick in it's way and I'm high brow in anyway but I wouldn't be caught dead writing over there.

* runs screaming from the room *

 

[lovecraft68]

* runs screaming from the room *

Are you being sarcastic? Or are you running from the room to go click on that site?

 

[sr71plt]

Oh, one of those if you knew they'd have to kill you kind of things. Something tells me Darkincaid might have a notion or two however.

Darkincaid's standard answer is the one I gave. That's where I got it from.

 

[lovecraft68]

Darkincaid's standard answer is the one I gave. That's where I got it from.

So know one knows? Hey what about Scouries?

Well on that note I am going to take it upon myself to make it a mission too...

Just forget about it. I've only had one story kicked out so I guess I have a good enough grasp of the do's and dont's.

Ironic the one time I wanted you to show off your all "knowingness" I had to find something you don't know anything about.

Thanks anyways.

 

[sr71plt]

Ironic the one time I wanted you to show off your all "knowingness" I had to find something you don't know anything about.

Yeah, that sort of makes you think about what you assume about me, right?

Maybe your assumptions about my "knowingness" say more about your attitude than mine.

Maybe there are things I do know and then lots of things I admit not knowing. That's the problem about giving experienced advice on the Internet. The Internet falsely promotes an "all opinons and knowledge are equal on the Interent." Which, of course, is a bunch of bull. People don't either gain or lose expertise when they post to Internet bulletin boards.

 

[lovecraft68]

Yeah, that sort of makes you think about what you assume about me, right?

Maybe your assumptions about my "knowingness" say more about your attitude than mine.

Maybe there are things I do know and then lots of things I admit not knowing. That's the problem about giving experienced advice on the Internet. The Internet falsely promotes an "all opinons and knowledge are equal on the Interent." Which, of course, is a bunch of bull. People don't either gain or lose expertise when they post to Internet bulletin boards.

Honestly my pet theory is that it is impossible to know how much anyone in any chat room actually knows about anything. Why? One word "Google"

Google, Ask, Bing. The internet has created a bunch of "cyber know it alls"
Look over at the GB, in between the racist insults, gender bashing and Alt fighting everyone over there posts like they work for CNN.

Seriously pick a topic you know anything about. Now let's say I post a thread on said subject. You could, if you wanted to, google the topic and if you are a reasonably quick reader and have some aptitude post an extremely knowledgeable looking response within a few minutes.

I know a ton of useless comic book trivia. If someone posted a question here you could answer it almost as fast as I could depending on how fast you search and type. Hell trivia is no fun anymore. Ask a question at dinner and four people are going for the cell phone.

Point is everyone on the internet can be a genius. It's all part of the "cyber persona's" that everyone is creating for themselves. Now on that note maybe I will google "How does a story scanning bot work" I'll let you know if I do.

And once again you take a simple joke and make it an attack. Are you this touchy with everyone or do I just get the worst of you?

 

[bashfullyshameless]

Slipped One In By Accident

Chapter 12 (or so) of "Angels, Demons and Alex" led off with a little girl whose cat was stuck in a tree. It was the first scene of said chapter. It was put up on the site without a peep. It remained there until I had the whole series pulled down pending my e-book release. I hadn't thought I was pulling a fast one on anybody -- I genuinely just didn't think about the age issue until it was already on the site.

I presumed that one of three things happened: either the age-screening is done by some sort of program, and the wording somehow eluded the program; a real, live person read the story and decided that there was nothing sexual about it & therefore it was harmless; or it simply didn't get read or screened before it went up.

Not sure what to say. I'm not trying to call anyone out, as I myself agree quite strongly with Literotica's age restriction. You've got to draw a line somewhere, and this particular line isn't the end of the world. I genuinely don't want to read erotica/smut about underage teens. But it doesn't seem to me that "zero tolerance" equates to "zero brains" in this matter, because there are clearly exceptions for one purpose or another.

 

[sr71plt]

And once again you take a simple joke and make it an attack. Are you this touchy with everyone or do I just get the worst of you?

You don't make simple jokes. You were the one attacking--probably thinking you were oh so clever in masking it. And trust you to miss the point.

You asked a straightforward question; I gave a straightforward answer--and another one. And then you finished your next post with an entirely unnecessary jab. Who do you think you're fooling?

The way for this to stop from you and others is to just stop doing it.

You asked for advice on e-publishing; I gave it; you went off in other directions; I suggested they were the wrong directions; you got huffy; and now you're stuck with what you did. You'll claim you're happy with it--which is OK with me--but you'll also continue stabbing me and trying to twist the knife.