This Is Something New - and It Sucks

[Boxlicker101]

Not to insult, Box, but if I was just a reader of Lit stories and didn't know you, I'd back-click out of that story and report it immediately.

Yes, you make it 'clear' that Mandy is twenty years old. But really, other than that, the story is the fantasy of a sick man having sex with a pre-teen.

At least, that's how it comes off to me.

But then, I didn't read every paragraph.

Well, it is strictly a stroke story, as is almost everything I write. This is actually the third of the series, and the first involves the same role playing and is even dirtier. The second is my contest entry and does not include role-playing.

I take your post as a compiment, by the way. Some of the people posting PC on the first story expressed similar thoughts, and one person prayed that I would never get near children. I would like to mention that Mandy is the one doing the pretending. She ia the one who took the trouble to put on the uniform. If she had been naked when she got in the shower, her daddy would have actd the same.

 

[slyc_willie]

Well, it is strictly a stroke story, as is almost everything I write. This is actually the third of the series, and the first involves the same role playing and is even dirtier. The second is my contest entry and does not include role-playing.

I take your post as a compiment, by the way. Some of the people posting PC on the first story expressed similar thoughts, and one person prayed that I would never get near children. I would like to mention that Mandy is the one doing the pretending. She ia the one who took the trouble to put on the uniform. If she had been naked when she got in the shower, her daddy would have actd the same.

There's a certain thrill in provoking the reader, isn't there?

I can understand why some people would see this fantasy as a thrill. I simply can't. I won't vilify you for writing it, but understand that the way in which the story was presented can easily be seen as an adviocation of pedofile fantasy.

Having a 20-year-old put on a cheerleader costume and play with 'pom-poms' is one thing.

But to advance a fantasy of a father/daughter interaction to the point where the daughter acts and speaks like she is less than half her age is another. Mandy may have been the one to initiate the fantasy, but the 'daddy' still got off on it.

Which makes some readers -- and, apparently, the editorial staff of Lit -- wonder what view you are really promoting. Is it just fantasy? Or a slick way of bypassing Lit's guidelines?

Look at the story from their view.

 

[gauchecritic]

I honestly can't see what the problem is with the problem or the reason given for rejection. It's all words and this is where it becomes philosophical.

The point of role-play is to fantasise about things that aren't real but suspending your own disbelief and making them as real as necessary. I agree with the editor, there is no difference in the words and the only difference for 'daddy' is that he can actually see his daughter, the readers can't. So you are effectively writing about under-age sex.

 

[oggbashan]

My simple rule of thumb is that if the story comes close to breaching Literotica's policies then I post it elsewhere.

The rules defend us from the critics who would like to censor all sexual content and not allow erotica or pornography in any form. There are people out there, in Western democratic societies, who would happily crucify us for existing as writers (and readers) of erotica.

There are people in other countries who just don't understand the concept of fiction at all. They would ban anything that isn't non-fiction, and most non-fiction as well if it didn't agree with their pre-conceived mindset.

The Catholic Church used to have a list of banned books. Some other religions and governments still have that concept. Literotica is treading a fine line between supporting free speech and not giving ammunition to its enemies. We may see some erotica sites closed down and their members pursued by legal process.

I prefer to stay within the rules for my own protection and to preserve a place that I enjoy visiting.

Og

 

[emap]

Box I gotta agree with gauche here, that is more an underage stroke story than anything else. If say she was saying daddy I am 18 and a virgin would you please show me how to please men it would be accepted no problem.

Kinda wish I had read what you had before, they should of rejected it simply because besides the breif mention of her age, I got the sickening sensation of underage girl.

It is possible to get a roleplay of a girl and daddy accepted if you don't talk about daddy's plaything and candy and go more on her actual age.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Okay, I deleted the first version and resubmitted it. Little Mandy is twenty years old, and a cheerleader in the local college. She is clearly an adult, although rather childlike, and she thinks of her father as "Daddy" and addrresses him as such, which is not uncommon. She loves the flavor of his semen, and calls it "candy", but she does not think of his cock as a toy or plaything.

 

[CharleyH]

I just had a story rejected, for this reason:

Because there is no difference between reading about fictional underage sex and reading about fictional people pretending to be underage, we do not allow underage sexual roleplay stories just as we don't allow underage sexual fiction.
It was an incest story, about a father and daughter, with the daughter pretending to be about eight years old, and wearing a specially-made Brownie Scout uniform. I made it very clear that she was twenty years old, and a college student.

I have some other stories about role-playing as a very young girl. I wonder if they will also be rejected. One of them was posted on October 7.

Okay, let me be blunt (not that I'm ever not). Let me get my own personal feeling out of the way first, though: My personal feeling is one of disgust. Okay, now that that is done ... Objectively ... I think a fictional incest story with a father and an adult daughter pretending to be eight implies that it has been going on since she was eight, and that is tactless. It shows no regard whatsoever for any reader (quite possibly many who read incest) whose ever been sexually abused and prefer the fantasy, but not the reality. Let's face it - it is sexual and encourages sexual fantasy in a pedophilic way (nothing wrong with fantasy, but rules is rules I fear) and from a pure internet (particularly bots) marketing perspective it attracts a lot of unwanted individuals and attention to Lit (paticularly the oppressive government).

A brownie uniform may be one thing, Box, but perhaps mentioning she was pretending to be eight was something else? I could tell you more, but I feel like I'd be encouraging you to write it in a different way, and that goes against my grain. Still, I do believe a person has the right to write, Lit has its rules and so we write by them.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Okay, let me be blunt (not that I'm ever not). Let me get my own personal feeling out of the way first, though: My personal feeling is one of disgust. Okay, now that that is done ... Objectively ... I think a fictional incest story with a father and an adult daughter pretending to be eight implies that it has been going on since she was eight, and that is tactless. It shows no regard whatsoever for any reader (quite possibly many who read incest) whose ever been sexually abused and prefer the fantasy, but not the reality. Let's face it - it is sexual and encourages sexual fantasy in a pedophilic way (nothing wrong with fantasy, but rules is rules I fear) and from a pure internet (particularly bots) marketing perspective it attracts a lot of unwanted individuals and attention to Lit (paticularly the oppressive government).

A brownie uniform may be one thing, Box, but perhaps mentioning she was pretending to be eight was something else? I could tell you more, but I feel like I'd be encouraging you to write it in a different way, and that goes against my grain. Still, I do believe a person has the right to write, Lit has its rules and so we write by them.

The only reference I made to her age was to say she was twenty years old, and I also mentioned she was in her second year in College.

As a grandfather and great-grandfather, I would be appalled at an actual tale of pedophilia. Even the story of Lolita (book, not movie) makes me a bit squeamish, although she was nubile and wise beyond her years. However, I see nothing wrong with writing about somebody pretending, as long as it is clear the person is just pretending.

I don't write bestiality for this site either, but I have a story of a woman pretending to be a dog and another one of a woman pretending to be a pony, and I see nothing wrong with either idea. I may write more on this theme in the future.

 

[Oblimo]

Because there is no difference between reading about fictional underage sex and reading about fictional people pretending to be underage, we do not allow underage sexual roleplay stories just as we don't allow underage sexual fiction.

I just wonder if this is a policy statement, or a logical argument about phenomological principles of fictional universes.

 

[WRJames]

Until this astonishing attempt at prosecution, it was clearly settled law in the US that what made child pornography harmful was the use of actual children in its production. Hopefully, the courts will retain this standard, although with the recent changes on the makeup of the Supreme Court, one can never be sure. It is ironic that an administration that is spending hundreds of billions of dollars and many lives in the "defense of our freedoms" is so eager to limit freedom of expression.

Other English speaking nations have a different, less liberal attitude towards written work. I am aware of this because my publisher is located in Canada, and she has always been somewhat concerned about legal problems with underage characters. I had to raise (somewhat artificially) a few ages to get published by her. She is also squeamish about beastiality. Of course, this only makes these forbidden fruit, and I have sections been working away at her inhibitions a little with each novel -- most notably there is one section in A Goddess in Eden which I will not even attempt to describe here.

I will only say that it is based on some actual events which I read about here which have haunted me ever since.

 

[JRaven]

Okay, I'm way late getting into this discussion.
Some of the lines in the story do bother me.

The shower curtain was pushed aside, and Little Mandy stepped over the edge of the tub and entered.

You're referring to her as "Little Mandy" throughout the narration. This and "Daddy" gives the impression that outside of the dialoge and role play, she really is little. Had you left it as Mandy and Dad for the narration and Little Mandy and Daddy for the diaglog, it may have gone better.

Standing barefoot in the shower in front of Daddy, Little Mandy looked down and saw he had brought his plaything with him.

I think if you had written the narration that Mandy looked down and saw Dad's dick and then written the dialog as "Oh, Daddy! You brought your play thing!" it might have gone better.

Overall, the biggest problem I see is that both the narration and the dialog are kept in the roleplay mindset. It's difficult for the reader (and moderator) to tell where roleplay starts and where it is real.

But I do also see issues about age in rejections. In a may/december story I had submitted, the fact that the young man was a high school graduate and that the lady decided that since "he was of legal age"...
Even that wasn't enough to convince the moderators/editors that he was old for Lit. It was rejected.

Jenny

 

[Boxlicker101]

Okay, I'm way late getting into this discussion.
Some of the lines in the story do bother me.

You're referring to her as "Little Mandy" throughout the narration. This and "Daddy" gives the impression that outside of the dialoge and role play, she really is little. Had you left it as Mandy and Dad for the narration and Little Mandy and Daddy for the diaglog, it may have gone better.

I think if you had written the narration that Mandy looked down and saw Dad's dick and then written the dialog as "Oh, Daddy! You brought your play thing!" it might have gone better.

Overall, the biggest problem I see is that both the narration and the dialog are kept in the roleplay mindset. It's difficult for the reader (and moderator) to tell where roleplay starts and where it is real.

But I do also see issues about age in rejections. In a may/december story I had submitted, the fact that the young man was a high school graduate and that the lady decided that since "he was of legal age"...
Even that wasn't enough to convince the moderators/editors that he was old for Lit. It was rejected.

Jenny

It's really a moot point now, because I have rewritten the story and she is now a 20 year old in her college cheerleading outfit. There are no thoughts of toys or playthings, but there are still references to candy, but with an explanation. She addresses her father as "Daddy" and he calls her "Honey", which are normal forms of address.

Little Mandy, who was named after her aunt, is the one who is role playing, and when the POV is hers, she stays in character and thinks about her daddy's toy or plaything, and her pee pee place and having a fun time, etc. She is the one who put on the Brownie Scout uniform to join him. She is referred to as "Little" because she is younger and smaller than her aunt.

When the POV is his, he enjoys the blowjob his daughter is giving him, and what she does with his cock. In other words, he is an adult who is being sucked off by his beautiful 20 year old daughter.

I'm a little surprised about the story you mention. Usually, if a person is referred to as a college student or high school grsduate, it is accepted that he is old enough. I believe they are getting stricter. Less than two months ago, I posted "Little Mandy and Her Daddy" which is longer and even dirtier that the subject of this thread. I also have at least two other stories where a woman is pretending to be a young girl, although not as yioung as eight.

May/December stories are perfectly acceptable. In fact, there is a whole category, Mature, that is dedicated to them.