This Is Something New - and It Sucks

[Boxlicker101]

I just had a story rejected, for this reason:

Because there is no difference between reading about fictional underage sex and reading about fictional people pretending to be underage, we do not allow underage sexual roleplay stories just as we don't allow underage sexual fiction.
It was an incest story, about a father and daughter, with the daughter pretending to be about eight years old, and wearing a specially-made Brownie Scout uniform. I made it very clear that she was twenty years old, and a college student.

I have some other stories about role-playing as a very young girl. I wonder if they will also be rejected. One of them was posted on October 7.

 

[wyf]

Yes, it sucks, and i've been advised that some the stories I've written to go on my own website, which are all personal experience, be changed where my age was below 16, the age of consent in the UK. I thought that was daft, but then..

I was googleing myself to see if my site shows up and i have a namesake:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06271/725743-58.stm

It seems (although her content was way more extreme than mine) you can go to prison for writing fiction now. That's scary.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Yes, it sucks, and i've been advised that some the stories I've written to go on my own website, which are all personal experience, be changed where my age was below 16, the age of consent in the UK. I thought that was daft, but then..

I was googleing myself to see if my site shows up and i have a namesake:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06271/725743-58.stm

It seems (although her content was way more extreme than mine) you can go to prison for writing fiction now. That's scary.

Big Brother is Here!! He's about 23 years later than predicted, but he's here.

From time to time, I read "True Detective Mysteries" or similar magazines. Some of the stories are about rape and murder of children. I wonder if those publishers are going to be arrested. I saw a TV item about the murder of a small child by torture. I wonder if they will arrest the newscaster, or is verbal reporting exempted. Maybe the person who wrote the story will be busted.

 

[emap]

Honestly I never knew it was allowed to begin with. I suppose since I don't like reading sex stories of underage kids, roleplayed or not.

In fact it reminds me of last year at some point two accounts were banned from Second Life for roleplaying a daddy and little girl sex scene. Course in that instant the avatar was also that of a little girl so I assumed that was the actual reason behind the banning. Helps they said that was the reason to.

In a way yes it sucks, in others it makes sense. Though going to jail over it doesn't make sense, unless say they give out a couple warnings then haul your butt off.

Oh box if you want to not change the story, try going to The Kristen Archives, they are alot less stringent on underage stories, also allow alot more of the fetish stories.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Honestly I never knew it was allowed to begin with. I suppose since I don't like reading sex stories of underage kids, roleplayed or not.

In fact it reminds me of last year at some point two accounts were banned from Second Life for roleplaying a daddy and little girl sex scene. Course in that instant the avatar was also that of a little girl so I assumed that was the actual reason behind the banning. Helps they said that was the reason to.

In a way yes it sucks, in others it makes sense. Though going to jail over it doesn't make sense, unless say they give out a couple warnings then haul your butt off.

Oh box if you want to not change the story, try going to The Kristen Archives, they are alot less stringent on underage stories, also allow alot more of the fetish stories.

I know the Kirsten Archives allow pretty much anything. They have bestiality there, and pedophhilia, and even combinations of the two.

 

[Liar]

Big Brother is Here!! He's about 23 years later than predicted, but he's here.

From time to time, I read "True Detective Mysteries" or similar magazines. Some of the stories are about rape and murder of children. I wonder if those publishers are going to be arrested. I saw a TV item about the murder of a small child by torture. I wonder if they will arrest the newscaster, or is verbal reporting exempted. Maybe the person who wrote the story will be busted.

If you don't understand the difference between writing about rape and murder of children with the intent to arouse and writing about rape and murder of children with the intent to shock or disgust (and in the newscast case, to inform), then I fear for your sanity.

That being said, I agree with you that niether should be outlawed.

 

[emap]

I fear for my sanity because I am agreeing with a boxlicker and a liar wearing a gas mask.

 

[Darkniciad]

I've had a chapter containing a scene like this pass muster twice. ( I edited and reposted it a few months ago ) I even noted in the moderator notes that the scene was there, so it can't be that it just slipped through the cracks. I put a big neon sign on it.

There's a lot of internal dialogue from the woman role-playing as the scene goes along, and I think that may be why it ( and a couple of other examples I've seen ) make it through the vetting process. There has to be a lot of pulling the reader out of the role-playing scene to remind them that everyone is actually an adult. She's acting and speaking in character ( although even the acting is a bit over the top ), but almost every action and bit of dialogue is wrapped in her thinking about what she's doing in plainly adult terms.

Another key is probably that the characters can't actually be taken for children from the descriptions. The character in question has "huge tracts o' land" ( pardon my Python ), and those descriptions alone defy any thought that she's actually as young as she's acting. I don't know that the scene would have passed muster if she was unusually short and flat chested, despite the constant internal dialogue.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I've had a chapter containing a scene like this pass muster twice. ( I edited and reposted it a few months ago ) I even noted in the moderator notes that the scene was there, so it can't be that it just slipped through the cracks. I put a big neon sign on it.

There's a lot of internal dialogue from the woman role-playing as the scene goes along, and I think that may be why it ( and a couple of other examples I've seen ) make it through the vetting process. There has to be a lot of pulling the reader out of the role-playing scene to remind them that everyone is actually an adult. She's acting and speaking in character ( although even the acting is a bit over the top ), but almost every action and bit of dialogue is wrapped in her thinking about what she's doing in plainly adult terms.

Another key is probably that the characters can't actually be taken for children from the descriptions. The character in question has "huge tracts o' land" ( pardon my Python ), and those descriptions alone defy any thought that she's actually as young as she's acting. I don't know that the scene would have passed muster if she was unusually short and flat chested, despite the constant internal dialogue.

I think this is a new policy that just started. Or, it may be the policy of the specific person who reviewed this particular story. The story is quite short, and I mention early on that the woman is 20 years old and she and her father like to roleplay with her pretending to be a very young girl. In this one, she was wearing a Brownie Scout uniform. Later, I mention she is in her second year in college.

I describe her thoughts the way a young girl might be thinking, such as referring to "Daddy's laything" and how he will give her candy after it has been in her mouth.

Yerarts ago, I wrote stories with an adult woman pretending to be a Girl Scout or a student serving detention with the lecherous principal. I even wrote an earlier story of these two people, that went into a lot more detail.

 

[Boxlicker101]

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Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
Big Brother is Here!! He's about 23 years later than predicted, but he's here.

From time to time, I read "True Detective Mysteries" or similar magazines. Some of the stories are about rape and murder of children. I wonder if those publishers are going to be arrested. I saw a TV item about the murder of a small child by torture. I wonder if they will arrest the newscaster, or is verbal reporting exempted. Maybe the person who wrote the story will be busted.

If you don't understand the difference between writing about rape and murder of children with the intent to arouse and writing about rape and murder of children with the intent to shock or disgust (and in the newscast case, to inform), then I fear for your sanity.

That being said, I agree with you that niether should be outlawed.

I was being sarcastic about the magazine and newscast.

Personally, I have no interest in reading stories about children being raped and/or murdered. In fact, I will go out of my way to avoid reading such stories. However, I believe we should have the choice. I think this is sort of "Yhe thin end of the wedge" or, this kind of thing: "First, they came for the Communists, and I was not a Communist, so I did not speak up ....etc. etc.

 

[Darkniciad]

I've only seen that rejection notice mentioned on a fairly recent basis, but the first couple of times I saw it was before I reposted the new edit of that chapter. I'd actually sketched out a rough draft for a replacement scene against the possibility that the repost would get the axe because of the role-playing scene. I put the moderator note in ( the original posting also contained a moderator note ) to reduce the chance that it would get only a cursory examination and possibly get axed later because someone reported it or something. I wanted to make absolutely sure that the scene was acceptable for posting, as it's part of a chapter in the middle of a long story, and it passed muster.

I think there's just a really fine line there ( and it probably does matter who amongst the site editors vets the story ) You really have to pull the reader out of the scene that the characters are acting out, and concentrate on them acting as best I can tell. More or less, you're creating potholes for anyone who might read it as anything other than role-playing to prevent them from getting what they want from it.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

I fear for my sanity because I am agreeing with a boxlicker and a liar wearing a gas mask.

It would be pretty impossible to be a boxlicker if you were wearing a gas mask - unless you were a liar.

Box, this is not a question of age of consent or that stuff and you're probably right that you fell foul of one moderator's views.

You could do us all a favor by sending Laurel a PM asking for official clarification to be published.

Although we writers, the great unwashed, just post - the site is regarded as a commercial undertaking. US law is draconian against commercial sexual exploitaion of under 18s (and those purporting to be under 18). This is the 'war' against commercial pedophilia and for protecting children.

I can understand why Lit is leery of the law - they run the risks, not us; and this is a sufficiently high-profile site to get scrutinized.

Just a guess, but if you made your roleplay a tad less realistic, you might slip under the wire.

 

[TxRad]

Ok Box, I have a question for ya. Did you cut and paste or submit it as a file.

Cut and paste is checked by a bot so any mention of an age under 18 will be kicked automatically. A file is checked by a monitor or editor as you may call them. Human, more or less in any case. From several threads of this same nature it appears there is a monitor that is rejecting role play stories.

Resubmit it as a file and see if it passes as is.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Ok Box, I have a question for ya. Did you cut and paste or submit it as a file.

Cut and paste is checked by a bot so any mention of an age under 18 will be kicked automatically. A file is checked by a monitor or editor as you may call them. Human, more or less in any case. From several threads of this same nature it appears there is a monitor that is rejecting role play stories.

Resubmit it as a file and see if it passes as is.

I usede copy and paste. The onnly reference to the woman's age was that she was 20.

Her it is here, if anybody is interested:
Little Mandy in Daddy’s Shower

In her Brownie Scout uniform, she joins Daddy in the shower.

Frank Williams was just about through with his shower, and letting the warm water beat down on his shoulders, when he heard door to the bathroom open. The shower scene from “Psycho” flashed through his mind, but he was quite sure it was not some maniac with a knife.

He was right. “Daddy?” a sweet young voice said to him. He recognized the dulcet tones of his darling daughter, Little Mandy, and his cock started stiffening.

“Hi, Honey. Why don’t you come in and join me?”

“Okay, Daddy.”

The shower curtain was pushed aside, and Little Mandy stepped over the edge of the tub and entered. Her long, blonde hair was in braids, and she was wearing her Brownie Scout uniform, including the little beanie. To some, it may have seemed ludicrous, because she was twenty years old, and hadn’t been a member of any scouting organization for many years. The uniform was just part of a game she and her father liked to play together. A specialty costume maker had made it to fit her, and hadn’t asked any questions as to when or where it would be worn, or by whom.

Standing barefoot in the shower in front of Daddy, Little Mandy looked down and saw he had brought his plaything with him. It was her favorite toy, especially since it always gave her delicious candy after she took it in and out of her mouth long enough. She smiled at her daddy, who smiled back and nodded his head in permission. Little Mandy lifted her skirt above her knees and knelt in the water in front of him.

She began by licking the head of Daddy’s plaything. It felt good to her tongue, like velvet, as it always did. Eagerly, she licked around the ridge and caressed the slit with her tongue. After these preliminaries, she leaned back on her heels, smiled up at the man who was sharing his toy so nicely, and leaned forward again to engulf the entire fleshy plaything in her mouth. Reveling in the way it felt, as it spread her lips and pressed against and down her throat, Little Mandy rocked back and forth, sucking the big shaft in and out of her mouth. Although it was quite long and thick, she was able to take it all the way in, until her lips pressed against Daddy’s pubic hair. She loved everything about this game, but one of the most fun things of all was looking up at him and watching how much he enjoyed the way she was playing with him.

Frank loved everything about being sucked off by his beautiful daughter, and doing other things with her. He was especially fond of having her pretend to be a little girl, as she was then. He loved the way she looked up at him with her pretty blue eyes as she moved her head back and forth, enveloping and releasing his cock. He loved watching his shaft gliding in and out of her cute little mouth, with her lips pressed against it, taking it all the way in until her tongue snaked down to lick his balls. Best of all was what her lips and her tongue did to his cock as it plunged in and out. Mandy’s lips were just tight enough that they felt like an extra snug pussy or ass, and inside her mouth was a warm and wet chamber of pleasures. Besides licking his balls after his cock had been fully engulfed, her tongue fondly caressed the entire length of his shaft while it was plunging in or out. Sometimes she turned her head slightly to let the head of his cock be caressed by the soft inside of one of her cheeks, before taking it down her throat. In her second year of college, she was certainly getting educated in sucking cocks.

Little Mandy was having every bit as much fun as her daddy was. She loved everything about taking his plaything into her mouth. She loved the way the hard cylinder felt as it forced her lips open, and how the hard tip felt against the back of her throat. Little Mandy knew how to take that tip down her throat so Daddy’s toy went all the way inside her mouth, and the hair that surrounded it tickled her nose and lips. She loved the way the smooth skin felt to her tongue as she licked his plaything while taking it into her mouth and when she moved her head back to let it out again.

The best part of all, though, was the candy that Daddy would give her after a while, when he was through with having her play. It was delicious, and she always made sure to get it all, but it was so much fun before he gave her the candy that she liked to play for a long time.

Part of the fun was rubbing herself with her hands while Daddy’s plaything was in her mouth. While moving her face back and forth in front of him, she lifted the hem of her skirt and reached down to her pee pee place and started fondling herself. Little Mandy was soft and swollen there, and wet, but the wetness wasn’t from the shower. Her fingers slowly caressed her swollen lips, almost all the way to her fun button. She could have given herself a happy time by rubbing there, but she didn’t want to. Sometimes she did that while in bed by herself, but it was so much more fun when Daddy did it while she was giving him candy, that she wanted to wait until then.

Frank knew he was going to cum within seconds from the wonderful blow job his daughter was giving him. “I’m almost ready to give you candy, Honey,” he told her.

Little Mandy didn’t say anything, because she was a polite little girl and wouldn’t talk with her mouth full. She heard what Daddy said, though and got ready to receive the treat. She tightened her lips on his big, hard toy, and stopped deep-throating it. Little Mandy dearly loves Daddy’s candy, and didn’t want it to squirt down her throat without her getting a chance to taste it. She continued stroking just as fast, and positioned her tongue so it would catch the candy when Daddy gave it to her.

The toy throbbed inside her mouth, and the first big gob landed on her tongue. It was delicious, and Little Mandy swallowed it just in time to catch the second spurt. This one tasted just as wonderful, and she left it on her tongue and continued stroking Daddy’s toy between her lips until more candy squirted out. She still didn’t stop, until she was sure no more was forthcoming, and then she took the plaything out of her mouth to swirl the candy around inside. After fully enjoying the unique taste and texture, she swallowed it, especially relishing the way it felt sliding down her throat.

Daddy still had more candy for his little girl, and she went after it. His plaything was still big and hard, and she licked the end, especially the little slit there, and savored its wonderful taste. There was more candy all along the shaft, and Little Mandy carefully licked it all off, before starting to squeeze out the treat that was still inside. Carefully positioning her thumb at the base of Daddy’s plaything, near the funny wrinkled thing that was fun to lick, and her fingers on the other side, she started moving her hand forward. Little Mandy‘s tongue was at the slit in the end of the toy, and she caught all the candy that was squeezed out. She continued until her thumb and fingers were right at her lips, and she had gotten it all. This candy was swirled around in her mouth the way the other had been before being swallowed.

After licking off the last of the treat he had for her, Little Mandy turned, looked up at her daddy again and smiled her charming, little-girl smile. “Thanks for the candy, Daddy. Come over and see me after you’re through with your shower and I’ll have some for you.” She got to her feet, stepped over the edge of the tub and closed the shower curtain after her exit.

Frank smiled and quickly finished washing himself. After he stepped out and was drying off, he smiled even more at the sight of her Brownie Scout uniform in the laundry hamper. He knew she would not have worn anything under it, and that she would be lying, totally naked, in her bed waiting for him. Hastily, he finished with the towel, and hurried out of the bathroom and over to where he knew his horny daughter was waiting, her legs spread and the candy she had promised him already dripping from her beautiful pink pussy.

I don't pretend this is any kind of great litrature. It's just a stroke incest story.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

I haven't got any problems, but I can see why a moderator knocked it back.

Despite saying, briefly, she was 20, you then write a roleplay full of 'sweet, young', 'Little Mandy', toys, playthings and candy. Taking it from a shrivelled, legal-eagle viewpoint, the story could be pedophilia if about 10 words were excised.

That is Lit's problem. You know I like your writing - I like this snippet - just think you are pushing the envelope a bit far. Use the dialogue for the roleplay but keep 'telling' the real ages.

 

[sr71plt]

Tilt. If the Web site declined to post the story because they decided it went further than their limits allowed, I would think they would ban your account for choosing to go ahead and post the material on their Web site yourself in the form of a forum posting. It's no less published to their Web site now than it would be in the story section--and they clearly told you they didn't want it posted on their Web site in its current form.

If I were you, I think I'd delete the text of the story from here before they saw it--or heard that it had been posted.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

Tilt. If the Web site declined to post the story because they decided it went further than their limits allowed, I would think they would ban your account for choosing to go ahead and post the material on their Web site yourself in the form of a forum posting. It's no less published to their Web site now than it would be in the story section--and they clearly told you they didn't want it posted on their Web site in its current form.

If I were you, I think I'd delete the text of the story from here before they saw it--or heard that it had been posted.

sr

You don't differentiate between what Lit 'publishes' on the main site and the forum.

The site is commercial and managed by corporate staff who respect the guidelines. There is a greater freedom on the forums (under the moderators) because there is no commercial aspect.

What Box posted here is not a problem (as I said before - he is not 'commercial' here). The issue is only when you start earning money from what is posted.

 

[sr71plt]

sr

You don't differentiate between what Lit 'publishes' on the main site and the forum.

The site is commercial and managed by corporate staff who respect the guidelines. There is a greater freedom on the forums (under the moderators) because there is no commercial aspect.

What Box posted here is not a problem (as I said before - he is not 'commercial' here). The issue is only when you start earning money from what is posted.

Sorry, I don't see any differentiation at all. The sensitivity involved is material being published on the Web site--viewable by the public. It's no less "published on the Web site" on the Forum than it is in the story area. If the Web site doesn't want to be placed in a certain area of phonography in official scrutiny (and all of us posting to the Web site being placed in that category too), it means beans where the material has been posted and continues to be viewable on the Web site.

What you are suggesting is that whenever a story is rejected for posting here, no matter what its content, the author can just come to the Forum and slap it on there, and the Web site is free of responsibility to operate within a pornographic content realm it has limited itself to. That doesn't pass the sniff test.

 

[SlickTony]

The story is not my cuppa, but I can see exactly how it would turn some people on.

Box, you might want to make more references to her well-developed, 20+YO figure. It's not sure-fire, but it might help.

I don't like the direction things are heading in. Anymore, we're edging into the realm of thoughtcrime.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

Box... I've taken to adding a note to my stories...

Author's note: All the characters in this juvenile story are over the age of eighteen and all the characters are entirely fiction and the product of a sick and twisted mind, including those who are not. If you don't like the story, call someone who gives a damn.

I think it's kind of funny. I'm waiting for the Editors to go nuts over that one

 

[WRJames]

Here is a rebuttal link for that case. This particular prosecutor is a right wing nut case with a history of ignoring past court decisions in her zeal to stamp out sin.

Hopefully, the courts will throw this one out -- as they should. Although I don't know how disgusting the stuff was that they are objecting to.

It's important to remember that we are writing "literary erotica" -- not pure porn -- or are we?

 

[Boxlicker101]

I haven't got any problems, but I can see why a moderator knocked it back.

Despite saying, briefly, she was 20, you then write a roleplay full of 'sweet, young', 'Little Mandy', toys, playthings and candy. Taking it from a shrivelled, legal-eagle viewpoint, the story could be pedophilia if about 10 words were excised.

That is Lit's problem. You know I like your writing - I like this snippet - just think you are pushing the envelope a bit far. Use the dialogue for the roleplay but keep 'telling' the real ages.

Actually, the fifth paragraph gives her age as 20 and goes into some detail about the fact that they were role-playing. Later on, I mention that she is in her second year of college. Except for having long blonde hair and blue eyes, I don't give any decription af her, except for saying she is wearing a Brownie Scout uniform.

This is what the rejection said, and it's pretty definite:

Because there is no difference between reading about fictional underage sex and reading about fictional people pretending to be underage, we do not allow underage sexual roleplay stories just as we don't allow underage sexual fiction.

I have another story involving these same two characters, which posted less than two months ago, and at least two more stories where the woman is pretending to be a child. I had no problems with any of those three.

I'll probably just rewrite it with her as a 20 year old wearing her college cheerleader costume. I won't change the others unless I have to.

I do believe the site is getting stricter. I once posted an illustrated poem with pics of my grandson. They have since been removed, and when I tried to post another poem, I was told I cannot post pics of children. There was nothing at all erotic about either of those poems, by the way.

 

[SlickTony]

Because there is no difference between reading about fictional underage sex and reading about fictional people pretending to be underage, we do not allow underage sexual roleplay stories just as we don't allow underage sexual fiction.

Oh, c'mon. I only took one logic course in college and even I can see that doesn't make sense.

 

[Stella_Omega]

This same thing happened back in June and July on livejournal.com...

It seems that we can ease up on gay sexuality a little, but only if we crack down on some other form.

 

[slyc_willie]

Not to insult, Box, but if I was just a reader of Lit stories and didn't know you, I'd back-click out of that story and report it immediately.

Yes, you make it 'clear' that Mandy is twenty years old. But really, other than that, the story is the fantasy of a sick man having sex with a pre-teen.

At least, that's how it comes off to me.

But then, I didn't read every paragraph.