Things about China

[Brains_N_Boobs]

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[Fuzzy1975]

I have, that's how I know it was quite useful in directing the flow of people, be they nomadic tribes or hostile invaders.

It also did a good job of slowing both down when they decided to take it on.

^^^^^

look at post #10 , any time you wish to read up on history would be good... at least RG knows his history...

 

[sygn]

Hei Brains&Boobs,
could you please stop spamming the thread with stupid screen-streching shit?

 

[rae121452]

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ever seen 'invasion of the body snatchers'? this looks like an updated version.

 

[bellisarius]

I am a Chinese based in China, not in the US or elsewhere, and I am very happy to read your discussion, especially when what we can do is only to stay at home because most of the residential quarters have been guarded to prevent the undue human-to-human transmission of the novel conoravirus.

China is good at invention, as you can see the Four Great Inventions, namely, compass, paper, printing and gun powder, all of which have made great contribution to developing human civilization.

China is good at combining the advantages of other peoples. Many of these peoples have tried very hard to conquer the Chinese and they did seem to succceed externally, but in reality they have been changed into Chinese unknowingly.

In today's globalization, China is also greatly influenced by the American cultures, and the US began its influence on China since 1900, a very magical year in history (I will talk about that next time) by offering large sum of cash to have young Chinese students to receive education in the US. And the money they offered was actually the compensation made by Chinese government in their lost war with the US and other Western countries including Japan and Russia. Today, even a Chinese baby can speak a few words of English like bye-bye, and they do not have any idea of what "Zaijian" means (meaning see you again in Chinese). They also enjoy the foods of KFC and MacDonald and the movies of Hollywood and TV dramas of BBC,HBO or Netflix. A lot of young people who have overseas study or working experience work without pay to translate the lines of American and British movies and TVs into Chinese to help their peers learn about the wonderful outside world.

Chinese people are very hard-working, knowing no days-off, especially when they work outside China. Most of the people of the countries where they work complain that they have stolen their work opportunities. And they can even change the social climate of the places they stay in. As I know, there are many pregnant women who moved to an American town and completely changed the social order there. Even back at home, people living in the northeast part travel to other parts of the country and receive bad reputation for their bad behaviors.

Lying is also part of the Chinese culture. Perhaps they have been poor for too long and they do not like others to look down on them. A report made to the boss most often than not contains only good news and things that may please the boss. In 1910s, President Yuen Shikai of Republic of China was deceived by his men with a newspaper custom made to him only, which told him that his fellow countrymen all welcomed him to restore the emperor system in the country and liked him to serve as the emperor, but in reality most of the countries had risen in rebellion and the mutiny armies had reached the city gate of Beijing. Examples in recent history can also be found, but I will not tell you here due to many unspeakable but known reasons.

The Chinese are not alone in that fault. The problem is that it's endemic to your government. And that's a shame in that the lies are structured to make you seem more than you are and what you are, and your past, is nothing that anyone should lie about.

My experience with the Chinese is that they're quite intelligent, industrious, and wholly capitalistic. At the same time there are centuries of "top down" management. I'm waiting for the people to take control of their government.

 

[Heathers_Front]

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[Heathers_Front]

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[sygn]

ever seen 'invasion of the body snatchers'? this looks like an updated version.

It's not necessarily the screen stretching that pissed me off.

You all (including yourself, #20) have been pissing on this thread with all sorts of racist memes or pics., as if they were below you.
Which only reflects your ignorance.

 

[gxnn]

Gosh, I'm so excited that you posted in this thread.
I would like to ask you more about the things that I highlighted above, as well as your views about Chinese versus Japanese versus Western philosophies and socioeconomic structuring of their societies.
-- But I might do it later on, I'll let people who know more have a go first.

So you're actually quarantined, in a sense in your own home?

Thanks for the feedback. I am not a new member and always like to exchange views with people around the world as long as we can understand each other. But one thing I like you to give some attention is that 60 years is a full cycle under the time measurement of years in Chinese zodiac. People are convinced that in the very first year of such a cycle, there is always something unusual happening, with 1900, 1960 and 2020 being the cases in point.

Yes, I along with most of my fellow countrymen have to stay home as required by the government. Nobody wants to get into prison or get sick except some crazy middle-aged women that I read in the social media who not only did not wear face mask when going out but also spoke dirty words to the guards who stopped them going out.

The Chinese are not alone in that fault. The problem is that it's endemic to your government. And that's a shame in that the lies are structured to make you seem more than you are and what you are, and your past, is nothing that anyone should lie about.

My experience with the Chinese is that they're quite intelligent, industrious, and wholly capitalistic. At the same time there are centuries of "top down" management. I'm waiting for the people to take control of their government.

Thanks for your clear wording. I actually meant what you say, but I am not so good at my words, that is. When there are a large number of people in the country, there surely are a great variety of people, some smart, some foolish, some in between.

 

[BotanyBoy]

^^^^^

look at post #10 , any time you wish to read up on history would be good... at least RG knows his history...

I've read up on it, and post #10 doesn't change anything that I said.

Maybe you should refute what I'm saying instead of just being endlessly smug for no reason??

Probably not.....

 

[ishtat]

To be fair the wall as we know it today wasn't really constructed until the Ming Dynasty some 200 years or so after the Mongol invasion and at the time of that invasion most of China's defenders were on its southern borders and in the southern part of the country.

The original wall dates from about 2,700 BC but was little more than packed earth(and pre-dated the political existence of China). About one third of the 'wall ' in the west is pretty much in ruins and is mainly packed earth and mud bricks. The Ming wall at the far eastern end kept invaders at bay for 300 years. In parts there are 2 and sometimes 3 walls running parallel.

Given that the rulers of China's primary obsession has always been internal security rather than external threat (unsurprising in a country with 56 official ethnic groups and many more in reality.) I suspect keeping the locals under control was the primary problem. Far more rulers were ousted through internal coups than by invasions.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Petty theft seems to be a way. of life there.



Not a lot of major crime, but they will steal your luggage
at the airport, in the hotels, anywhere you set it down and take your eyes off it...

 

[bellisarius]

Petty theft seems to be a way. of life there.



Not a lot of major crime, but they will steal your luggage
at the airport, in the hotels, anywhere you set it down and take your eyes off it...

For centuries it was the only way they could practice capitalism.

 

[SpeareChucker]

I think they have a pretty long history
of buying and selling, even if it's not "capitalism."

Heck I'm not even sure anymore if you can call our system capitalism.

 

[bellisarius]

I think they have a pretty long history
of buying and selling, even if it's not "capitalism."

Heck I'm not even sure anymore if you can call our system capitalism.

There is that.

 

[SpeareChucker]

 

[BotanyBoy]

I think they have a pretty long history
of buying and selling, even if it's not "capitalism."

Heck I'm not even sure anymore if you can call our system capitalism.

Depends on the state from what I can tell.

 

[SpeareChucker]

If you exclude the big blue cities...

 

[sygn]

Thanks for the feedback. I am not a new member and always like to exchange views with people around the world as long as we can understand each other.

I like you. Please, please post more on the GB.
I'm a foreigner myself (former Yugoslavia, living in Australia) and while I assimilated quite well, I sometimes still feel bewildered by the subtle cultural differences.
Your and bellisarius & al's posts are so interesting and insightful.

But one thing I like you to give some attention is that 60 years is a full cycle under the time measurement of years in Chinese zodiac. People are convinced that in the very first year of such a cycle, there is always something unusual happening, with 1900, 1960 and 2020 being the cases in point.

Fascinating.
Your words reminded me of a book that I read a while back: https://www.fourthturning.com/ (Strauss/Howe - The fourth turning) which promoted a similar, cyclical view of history. Only that the cycles were 80 years.

For Neil/Strauss, the history cycles were based on parental worldviews and rearing practices (paralleled by societal beliefs/structure) over four generations time 20 active years each. Aka it takes 4 generations to come back to the initial beliefs, full circle.
--(well, for Plato/Indian thought it was a spiral not a circle, because each cycle ends up in the same place but on a different plane)

There's been a revival among several Western historians lately, of the cyclical nature of history and time, lost since Plato. They feel that our typical linear view of history/time is insufficient. On an individual level, the linear timeline is often demoralizing too.

What is the Chinese 60 years cycle based on? (you mentioned the Chinese zodiac)
Something similar to Strauss/Howe's depiction, or something more cosmic/ related to the order of the Universe?

Yes, I along with most of my fellow countrymen have to stay home as required by the government. Nobody wants to get into prison or get sick except some crazy middle-aged women that I read in the social media who not only did not wear face mask when going out but also spoke dirty words to the guards who stopped them going out.

Haha. I laughed.

 

[oggbashan]

The US's debt to China is massive because of the trade imbalance.

China owns a large part of the US.

 

[gxnn]

I like you. Please, please post more on the GB.
I'm a foreigner myself (former Yugoslavia, living in Australia) and while I assimilated quite well, I sometimes still feel bewildered by the subtle cultural differences.
Your and bellisarius & al's posts are so interesting and insightful.

Am I right that I have got a fan in an international forum, which looks very unlikely, haha! I know quite a number of Australian friends in real life and we write to each other from time to time. Yugoslavia used to be a brotherly country of China in Europe, next only to Albania in diplomatic relations with China, the latter known as the Light in the Darkness of Europe by Chinese people under the influence of communist party in 1960s.

Many great heroic films of Yugoslavia on anti-Nazi fighting were the favorites of the Chinese people in their 50s or 60s today. "Goodbye, my friends", the theme song of one of the films "Bridge" is very nice and during 1979 when China fought with Vietnam in military action many Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) soldiers sang this song to the frontline, and there was also a copycat song in Chinese very popular known as "Goodbye Mum" at that time.

Tuo kuzi fang pi

Obviously you got the language education in one of the overseas Confucius Institutes or Classrooms, but this phrase meaning "you pass the wind with all your pants removed" makes no sense in this thread

 

[Saint_Ann]

If you want to build a transcontinental railroad cheap. hire a bunch of Chinamen.

 

[gxnn]

@sygn, hey, buddy, you should honor your word to love me.

Latest news showed that a woman who was a former jail bird in Wuhan made a national stir after being carried in a private car by her daughter into a high-class residential quarter in Beijing, where she was found having a fever and catching the epidemic coronavirus. This was a big problem and her presence in the capital may have a direct threat to the safety of the city and even to the life and death of China's biggest bosses who live in that city.

Another point of this incident is about how she managed to achieve her escape out of Wuhan, where there have been many strict checking points at major exits to guard against any possible virus carriers to leave the city. Then her identity and background was strongly asked to be disclosed by netizens. It might get a number of corrupt officials out of water and very soon many may have regretted to have helped such a former law offender at the cost of themselves at such a special time period.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Given the recent epidemic/pandemic?, I did some reading.
I outlined below some interesting facts about China .
Do you have some too?

They still have holes in the floor
where you are supposed to squat
and do your business.

Cleanliness is not their go-to move.

 

[gxnn]

COVID-19 in second half

The past few days saw the medical assistance teams in Wuhan city and Hubei province from other parts of China withdrew one after another after completing their duties and shut the makeshift hospitals. The fight against COVID-19 in China has secured the stage victory under the strong and concerted leadership of the central and local governments. The teams received the highest respect by local people and police force along the way from the hotels they had stayed in to the airport.

It looks like the whole game of battling COVID-19 has ended its first half which took place in China and the second half is now under way around the world outside China.

As human beings or as a community of shared future, China and the rest of the world cannot stay strong and safe independently so it is necessary for China to unite with their peers. Other countries especially those poor ones or the ones who are not so friendly do not just ask for direct aids from China and they should learn the good and practical experience of China in fighting the epidemic. All of the countries should drop the ideological matters for a while.

Gods all over the world, united and God bless the world.