thicker skin & an Update

[Dragon_SilverMoon]

An ask for Help & a question of "thicker skin"

I created this account because I know she would like me to contact a few (meaning one or two semi-decent people on this list who takk a chance and spoke with her like she was a real live feeling person.) Instead of attenpting to "appologize and still slame her and play the victim." She does not need that in her life Not now, not then, and not in the future.

I have been a friend of hers for more than 5 years. She is co-priestess in the SilverMoon Celtic Druid Grove that my wife and I run. She is both my good friend but she is also more than that to me. She has been studying Shamanism as well.

She has been writing her entire life: the majority of which, her parents never understood. Teachers both praised her and still wondered about her. Her mother had to meet with more principles than should have been necessary.

She is a Survivor of many things: childhood sexual abuse, emotional & physical abuse, incest, she was a victim of date-rape in college.

She spent her entire life being moved from one town to another, one school to another. The only definitives in her life was the abuse at the hands of her father and the 8 long years of sexual torture she survived from summer to summer at the age of 6 till she hit 14. And she got out. Actually, she was saved.

She doesn't trust easy. She never forgets. She does not forgive easy. She never allows others to crap all over those she loves. "thick skin" many of you suggested she get this. But she spent a lifetime hearing that she was worthless, fat, stupid, that no man would want her, so believe me when I say that she has a thick skin.

Their father doesn't see anything wrong with the way he raised his children perhaps because of his upbringing but to take the word of one of your step-brothers over that of your own child is reprehensible. To this day he still does not believe her. She lives with that.

The people she considers "family and friends" know of her past and they love her. They love her for all that she does in this world to help others. Her writing just become catheric for her. She would never take something she believes in and strip someone's feelings about it, just because it felt good.

When she felt like the fight back and forth was taking up too much of her fight, and she needs her will to live to ne kept for other things, she apologized and backed out. Yes the one who started this could not drop it.

She in turn send a nasty, nasty, petty email back, when Mo; had not done anything but publicly apologized for breaking the room guidelines which she admitted she had not read all the way through yet. She was too busy trying to find a way to block the offending person, which she could find no way of doing so. And since she used the anon feature of this website to contact her in the first place, she is basically harrassing her for no good reason.

You claim that Mo needs the attention. You don't know her, you have no idea what she needs.

For those of you who do know her and have wondered why she has no thanked you recently for the comments you lefton the critiques of her work:

She is in the hospital in a coma. She was in a "accident" sunday between herself and her husband. Which left her taking a one-way trip to the ER. Since then, much has happened. she came around once yesterday after they removed the shunt from her head after the ICP's had reduced and her brain had stopped swelling. She came around for a few hours, long enough to speak to the doctors, to speak with us, to freak out that she cound not see, and to speak over the phone with her best friend and Master. Who literally cried over the phone with her. As she tried to remain strong but also because she didn't want him to know how scared she was.

Since then she has had several more seizures, once during a dye induced ct scan and she slipped back into the coma. She has since been given medication to keep her seizures low. A Specialist is on the way to the hospital today to see if they can help her.

She has a new poem, something she gave me the words for but had me write them down. I don't know much about poetry. The poem has issues, it feels disjointed, I know the top part is about her mate but the bottom is about her love of her life, her anam cara, her Master. Together, they dont quite work. If there is someone out there who has a suggestion on how I could fix it while she is still under, I mean deep in the coma. Hoping that when she comes to, because she will have to have brain surgery again. Then I will take your suggestions.

If you wish to attack my friend. Don't suggest you try. I have taken vows to "harm None" as well as Shaman vows to "love everyone and everything." but I have made a few exceptions where her mate is concerned, I am sure that I can do that for you too.

I just want to help her and her poem, so that when she comes out of this, she will have something to help her.

Thank you all. Blessed Be

 

[Eluard]

I was not involved in any of this but I want to say how sorry I am to hear of the suffering of your friend and hope that she has a swift recovery. I read the original thread and thought that much of it was staggeringly insensitive: I am sorry that poets of this forum — who should, if poetry is to mean anything, be sensitive to the experiences of others — have proven themselves, in some cases at least, so lacking when it matters most. Shame does not come easily to people these days: they would rather feel good about themselves, even if it is undeserved. I'm sorry that this forum has been so lacking when it should have been at its best.

 

[WickedEve]

Who is Mo and what was the original thread?
And I am sorry that she is not doing well.

Edit: Nevermind my questions. I received a PM.

 

[LeBroz]

Who is Mo and what was the original thread?
And I am sorry that she is not doing well.

This refers to the recent dustup that started with a comment left on a mo_duinne poem, specifically, Collared. The comment left by ohhh_livia {oh dear God...another wanna be poet...} carried over into two threads, one by ohhh_livia and the other by mo_duinne.

We can only extend to mo our hopes and prayers for a speedy recovery from this latest tragedy in her life.

.
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[WickedEve]

This refers to the recent dustup that started with a comment left on a mo_duinne poem, specifically, Collared. The comment left by ohhh_livia {oh dear God...another wanna be poet...} carried over into two threads, one by ohhh_livia and the other by mo_duinne.

We can only extend to mo our hopes and prayers for a speedy recovery from this latest tragedy in her life.

.
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Oh, darn. I just realized that we exchanged a couple of PMs and she is such a sweet lady. We talked about what happened and I thought she seemed better about it all. I'm sure this silly poetry forum incident is not something she is concerned about right now. And she may even be a bit embarrassed that it was brought up again. Instead, let's use this thread to send her our best wishes.

 

[champagne1982]

I sincerely hope that mo finds healing and comfort and a way to safety and that she finds a secure shelter for her heart, mind and body. I continue to send my wishes for a speedy recovery and my good thoughts for a positive outcome through all of her suffering. Please add my wishes that she be comfortable when you speak with her next time, D-Silvermoon. Thankyou.

 

[normal jean]

I created this account because I know she would like me to contact a few (meaning one or two semi-decent people on this list who takk a chance and spoke with her like she was a real live feeling person.) Instead of attenpting to "appologize and still slame her and play the victim." She does not need that in her life Not now, not then, and not in the future.

I have been a friend of hers for more than 5 years. She is co-priestess in the SilverMoon Celtic Druid Grove that my wife and I run. She is both my good friend but she is also more than that to me. She has been studying Shamanism as well.

She has been writing her entire life: the majority of which, her parents never understood. Teachers both praised her and still wondered about her. Her mother had to meet with more principles than should have been necessary.

She is a Survivor of many things: childhood sexual abuse, emotional & physical abuse, incest, she was a victim of date-rape in college.

She spent her entire life being moved from one town to another, one school to another. The only definitives in her life was the abuse at the hands of her father and the 8 long years of sexual torture she survived from summer to summer at the age of 6 till she hit 14. And she got out. Actually, she was saved.

She doesn't trust easy. She never forgets. She does not forgive easy. She never allows others to crap all over those she loves. "thick skin" many of you suggested she get this. But she spent a lifetime hearing that she was worthless, fat, stupid, that no man would want her, so believe me when I say that she has a thick skin.

Their father doesn't see anything wrong with the way he raised his children perhaps because of his upbringing but to take the word of one of your step-brothers over that of your own child is reprehensible. To this day he still does not believe her. She lives with that.

The people she considers "family and friends" know of her past and they love her. They love her for all that she does in this world to help others. Her writing just become catheric for her. She would never take something she believes in and strip someone's feelings about it, just because it felt good.

When she felt like the fight back and forth was taking up too much of her fight, and she needs her will to live to ne kept for other things, she apologized and backed out. Yes the one who started this could not drop it.

She in turn send a nasty, nasty, petty email back, when Mo; had not done anything but publicly apologized for breaking the room guidelines which she admitted she had not read all the way through yet. She was too busy trying to find a way to block the offending person, which she could find no way of doing so. And since she used the anon feature of this website to contact her in the first place, she is basically harrassing her for no good reason.

You claim that Mo needs the attention. You don't know her, you have no idea what she needs.

For those of you who do know her and have wondered why she has no thanked you recently for the comments you lefton the critiques of her work:

She is in the hospital in a coma. She was in a "accident" sunday between herself and her husband. Which left her taking a one-way trip to the ER. Since then, much has happened. she came around once yesterday after they removed the shunt from her head after the ICP's had reduced and her brain had stopped swelling. She came around for a few hours, long enough to speak to the doctors, to speak with us, to freak out that she cound not see, and to speak over the phone with her best friend and Master. Who literally cried over the phone with her. As she tried to remain strong but also because she didn't want him to know how scared she was.

Since then she has had several more seizures, once during a dye induced ct scan and she slipped back into the coma. She has since been given medication to keep her seizures low. A Specialist is on the way to the hospital today to see if they can help her.

She has a new poem, something she gave me the words for but had me write them down. I don't know much about poetry. The poem has issues, it feels disjointed, I know the top part is about her mate but the bottom is about her love of her life, her anam cara, her Master. Together, they dont quite work. If there is someone out there who has a suggestion on how I could fix it while she is still under, I mean deep in the coma. Hoping that when she comes to, because she will have to have brain surgery again. Then I will take your suggestions.

If you wish to attack my friend. Don't suggest you try. I have taken vows to "harm None" as well as Shaman vows to "love everyone and everything." but I have made a few exceptions where her mate is concerned, I am sure that I can do that for you too.

I just want to help her and her poem, so that when she comes out of this, she will have something to help her.

Thank you all. Blessed Be

I wish Mo the best and feel I should say this.... I am perfect living proof that you can remember things too good sometimes. You dwell then you get an ulcer then you are twice as ill.

If Mo is the person you say, then she would let this go, wouldn't she?

I wasn't here when that happened, but I know how it feels, most people here have encountered hatefulnesss through comments or email or even in person, like this. It reminds me of when I was little and my parents would fight, I always got this gross nauseated feeling. I've been here since 2002 and the evil eventually drips out, it isn't the norm for this forum.


Out of mere curiosity, I went back and looked for the last post concerning this incident and it was almost a week ago.

I hope peace prevails

 

[Dragon_SilverMoon]

no its not what I meant

I did not bring all this up for this reason. She spoke highly of a few of you: WickedEve, Champagne, Anchul, and someone else I cannot remember, now.

My point for this post, as I sit at the hospital, fighting back the people that are on the "you are not allowed to see her" list and still trying to keep those whom love her in touch with what is going on.

I want to fix her poem, I want it to be a surprise.

I am asking for HELP for myself to help Mo.

If I post the poem... which she wrote while she had just found out that she might be blind permanently, that her mate was the cause of all this, and this poem are her thoughts and feelings; I wrote them down. But she slipped back into the coma before I could get her help to fix it.

Please if you can help me fix it, I ask for help.

woke up blind
my eyes unseeing
my heart unfeeling
after you tried to kill me

my mind reeling
as i tried to decipher
the reasons for the hatred

my past has been an open book
you have accepted me
attempting to see past the
barriers i throw up
to keep myself safe.

yet, you drag those down too
pulling me into the light
when i would rather hide
in the dark
where i feel i belong.

you make me think
all that you speak can come
true,
that i can see happiness
like the dots of paint
on Renoir's masterpiece.

i want to reach out
to grab hold of your hand
to never let go

the sound of your tears
in my head
in the absence of the sunlight
which i may never see again
an accident that may rob me
of my dreams
may never see you dance again
but in my own mind

like those lyrics of that song
"as sure as there are stars above me,
I Know you were made for me
a boat was made to sail on the ocean
a fish was made to swim in the ocean.
You were made for me, you've been mine
since I met you..."

it brings tears to my eye
the words you spoke to me
when i told you that i could not see.
my heart breaking to hear the tears,
the heart-break in your voice
and yet all i wanted was to hold you
even more...

i love you
you pulled me back from the darkness
into the light

please...
accept me,
my flaws,
the possibility of my sightless eyes
will that be too much
or can you accept that too?

 

[Angeline]

I'm really sorry to hear this, and I send my prayers and good thoughts to Mo. I honestly don't feel comfortable critiquing someone's poem when they are very ill and most need to concentrate on rest and recovery. I hope you understand.

 

[WickedEve]

I did not bring all this up for this reason. She spoke highly of a few of you: WickedEve, Champagne, Anchul, and someone else I cannot remember, now.

My point for this post, as I sit at the hospital, fighting back the people that are on the "you are not allowed to see her" list and still trying to keep those whom love her in touch with what is going on.

I want to fix her poem, I want it to be a surprise.

I am asking for HELP for myself to help Mo.

If I post the poem... which she wrote while she had just found out that she might be blind permanently, that her mate was the cause of all this, and this poem are her thoughts and feelings; I wrote them down. But she slipped back into the coma before I could get her help to fix it.

Please if you can help me fix it, I ask for help.

Since these are her feelings and thoughts at such a traumatic time, maybe they should be left as is. I think there will come a day when she'll want to read her words exactly as they are now. I guess you could get some help with line breaks or simple things, but I don't think I'd "fix" anything. I wouldn't submit it to literotica, which I'm not sure if that's your plan. I would print it out and have it ready for her to read or read it to her yourself.
It's appalling how viciously she was abused by her spouse. What she needs now is a good support group -- family, friends, professionals -- helping her out. I hope you get to see her soon and I hope her eyesight will improve.

 

[Dragon_SilverMoon]

I'm really sorry to hear this, and I send my prayers and good thoughts to Mo. I honestly don't feel comfortable critiquing someone's poem when they are very ill and most need to concentrate on rest and recovery. I hope you understand.

I understand that, and I don't want to force anyone to do anything they don't want to do.

I am asking, no, pleading for help here. I am not asking for a critique, as much as someone who might take what is here, and help me, help her to improve it. She wanted to give it to her Anam Cara. Her best friend, who literally cried when she told him that she was blind and could not see. She wanted to be strong, she had to be because the doctors were threatening to sedate her again if she too upset. So she took his pain and gave him back love.

The poem is basically meant to be about him. Even though the first stanza is about waking up and finding herself "unseeing" because of her mate. But the poem is for the true love of her life, it's a cry to him.

Do you still want me?
Will you still find me attractive?
if I am never able to see again, to see you dance, will you still
have a place for me in your life?

These are questions she asks of him, or is trying to. If you don't feel that any of you can help me, Then I will tell her when she wakes that you send your wishes. And leave it as that. But I only seek your help. Please.

 

[WickedEve]

I understand that, and I don't want to force anyone to do anything they don't want to do.

I am asking, no, pleading for help here. I am not asking for a critique, as much as someone who might take what is here, and help me, help her to improve it. She wanted to give it to her Anam Cara. Her best friend, who literally cried when she told him that she was blind and could not see. She wanted to be strong, she had to be because the doctors were threatening to sedate her again if she too upset. So she took his pain and gave him back love.

The poem is basically meant to be about him. Even though the first stanza is about waking up and finding herself "unseeing" because of her mate. But the poem is for the true love of her life, it's a cry to him.

Do you still want me?
Will you still find me attractive?
if I am never able to see again, to see you dance, will you still
have a place for me in your life?

These are questions she asks of him, or is trying to. If you don't feel that any of you can help me, Then I will tell her when she wakes that you send your wishes. And leave it as that. But I only seek your help. Please.

For starters, divide the poem in half. The first part is about her abuse and what he did to her. The other part is another poem about her love.

 

[WickedEve]

One other thing, a poem you give to loved ones is different than a poem you share with an audience. A reader may find no value in the poem for them personally but if you give your words to someone who loves you, they will see the beauty in it. I'd keep her poem as close as possible to what she gave you.

 

[Dragon_SilverMoon]

For starters, divide the poem in half. The first part is about her abuse and what he did to her. The other part is another poem about her love.

Thank you WickedEve.

 

[Anschul]

As I was somewhat attached to this episode, and I did attempt to broker some good feelings, I feel the need to add my best wishes and prayers to Mo. No one can possibly comprehend what goes on inside someone else's head, and I hope that someday that may be healed as well.
Peace and love.
Anschul

 

[jimequfa]

Dragon,

Message sent to your gmail accout!

jimequfa,

 

[Dragon_SilverMoon]

I want to close the asking for help. Thankfully someone thought more about what was going on in their own life and instead decided that they would actually try to help someone.

I want publicly thank the previous poster because he reworked Mo's poem, giving suggestions where they were needed. They will be indeed a several useful suggestions there.

She will be going into surgery in a few.

Once she wakes up, I will pass on everyone's well wishes.

Thank you all.

 

[unpredictablebijou]

I want to close the asking for help. Thankfully someone thought more about what was going on in their own life and instead decided that they would actually try to help someone.

I want publicly thank the previous poster because he reworked Mo's poem, giving suggestions where they were needed. They will be indeed a several useful suggestions there.

She will be going into surgery in a few.

Once she wakes up, I will pass on everyone's well wishes.

Thank you all.

I hardly think that was necessary. You've received a great deal of kindness here. Respect earns respect.

namaste
bijou

 

[champagne1982]

Dragon, If you tamper with this poem and mo_duinne isn't happy you've done so, isn't that violating her trust? This is her poetry and anything we do to it robs her of her creation. I declined to comment yesterday since I was hoping you'd see that what you were asking us to do was inappropriate and a bit like plaigiarism. I'm sorry you don't see it this way, I do and that's all I will grant you as a comment on the poem. Again, I pass my wishes through you that she heals and finds shelter.

 

[Dragon_SilverMoon]

Champagne,
I wasn't planning on posting her poem any place. I have no need of that. She came out of the coma this afternoon. With her sight.

She knows what I did. Her only regret is that I gave this forum a second chance. Something, she would have preferred, I not do. She wishes there had been somewhere else that I could have gone to for suggestions.

Now with your condescending post, I see why.

The two gentlemen that helped, know who they are. I thank them. She will too when the doctor clears her for getting online, she is still having issues/side effects.

As well, WickedEve, thank you for your suggestions.

I'll not be coming back to the forum. Post all you want from now on, but neither I nor she will be reading.

Namaste'

 

[champagne1982]

Fine, I was not in the wrong here. Toodles and I'm glad to hear the lady has miraculously recovered.

 

[ohhh_livia]

I created this account because I know she would like me to contact a few (meaning one or two semi-decent people on this list who takk a chance and spoke with her like she was a real live feeling person.) Instead of attenpting to "appologize and still slame her and play the victim." She does not need that in her life Not now, not then, and not in the future.

I have been a friend of hers for more than 5 years. She is co-priestess in the SilverMoon Celtic Druid Grove that my wife and I run. She is both my good friend but she is also more than that to me. She has been studying Shamanism as well.

She has been writing her entire life: the majority of which, her parents never understood. Teachers both praised her and still wondered about her. Her mother had to meet with more principles than should have been necessary.
ck and forth was taking up too much of her fight, and she needs her will to live to ne kept for other things, she apologized and backed out. Yes the one who started this could not drop it.

She in turn send a nasty, nasty, petty email back, when Mo; had not done anything but publicly apologized for breaking the room guidelines which she admitted she had not read all the way through yet. She was too busy trying to find a way to block the offending person, which she could find no way of doing so. And since she used the anon feature of this website to contact her in the first place, she is basically harrassing her for no good reason. there never IS a good reason to harass someone.

You claim that Mo needs the attention. You don't know her, you have no idea what she needs.

For those of you who do know her and have wondered why she has no thanked you recently for the comments you lefton the critiques of her work:

She is in the hospital in a coma. She was in a "accident" sunday between herself and her husband. Which left her taking a one-way trip to the ER. Since then, much has happened. she came around once yesterday after they removed the shunt from her head after the ICP's had reduced and her brain had stopped swelling. She came around for a few hours, long enough to speak to the doctors, to speak with us, to freak out that she cound not see, and to speak over the phone with her best friend and Master. Who literally cried over the phone with her. As she tried to remain strong but also because she didn't want him to know how scared she was.

Since then she has had several more seizures, once during a dye induced ct scan and she slipped back into the coma. She has since been given medication to keep her seizures low. A Specialist is on the way to the hospital today to see if they can help her.

She has a new poem, something she gave me the words for but had me write them down. I don't know much about poetry. The poem has issues, it feels disjointed, I know the top part is about her mate but the bottom is about her love of her life, her anam cara, her Master. Together, they dont quite work. If there is someone out there who has a suggestion on how I could fix it while she is still under, I mean deep in the coma. Hoping that when she comes to, because she will have to have brain surgery again. Then I will take your suggestions.

If you wish to attack my friend. Don't suggest you try. I have taken vows to "harm None" as well as Shaman vows to "love everyone and everything." but I have made a few exceptions where her mate is concerned, I am sure that I can do that for you too.

I just want to help her and her poem, so that when she comes out of this, she will have something to help her.

Thank you all. Blessed Be

Whoever you are, you have been grossly misinformed. I am so sorry she has suffered, but who here among us has not suffered?

I did contact her, BUT it was not anonymous.
She lied about that.
I left a comment on a poem she wrote which I did not like, it was SIGNED.
What party of that is anonymous? NOT a single word.

I did say she might need, MIGHT need attention. Go back and read the context of that post, it was not hateful nor was it rude or sarcastic and I am truly sorry she took it that way. I meant it from my heart.
I said maybe she needs a hug, or attention...Every living thing does at sometime, there is nothing wrong with that and it was not meant as a dig or an insult.

I am sorry I ever read your, her, poem. I am sorry I ever commented. If she cannot take criticism, she should have the comments turned off. I have however, read her newer poems and they showed a huge stride in comprehension of the exact suggestions I gave her about her poetry.

I am such an ogre, oh, fuck me for caring. Maybe she actually took a second to read her work with a new set of eyes, or a way of thinking about her audience that isn't just composed of herself.

As for the apology, I was more abrasive and hateful to those in the other thread than I ever was to her. I did not criticize her lifestyle, I just said it wasn't for me, why does she take everything so personally? Why isn't anyone else allowed to have an opinion? She seems like a very selfish person to me. And that is MY opinion.

I apologized to everyone here, for being rude and insensitive but you don't see all of them, or even one of them in a personal thread they created to whine about how mean I was to them. No one else felt the need to disclose a life history and the drama of a a laundry list of personal pain complete with sexual assault, torture, and life or death brain injury.

I did not ever see the post she made which violated guidelines, but a friend emailed a copy of it. I chose to stay out. I had no problem with the manifesto she sent you up here with, until I read the rest of this post. But now to reread this post, well, it is offensive to me, it is more offensive than my initial rant, which I have apologized for, profusely.

But I did not contact her as anonymous, I did not send anon comments, nor did I send anonymous email to this person, had I done so, how would she have known who I was? I mean really, this is so logical I can see how you missed it. I can however, look back at Champagne's post where she told MO that she cannot post a personal email with an EMAIL ADDRESS. Which means, it had MY email address, thus it was NOT anonymous.

Whoever you are, and whoever she is, ( honestly, the 2 of you are beginning to sound like one whiney person wrapped into one).The people who visit this forum are intelligent, they are caring and forgiving and they know when they are being played. She can stand up and say whatever she wants to say and anyone who does not like it be damned. No one will grow fangs and eat her for standing up for herself.

I really do not need to defend myself on this one, you have come in here and insulted people who were standing tall for that girl. However, I do not appreciate being called a liar. Perhaps it is your own gullibility that has brought you into this, I do not know, but you need to get your facts straight.

If Mo had intended anything other than a public flame war, she wouldn't have started 2 threads to give the bullshit a life of its own, to flourish as long as others are willing to be drawn in and then chastised for getting involved.

If she did not intend to start a public mess she would have dealt with me off-line, like I did with her. I left a comment on her poem, she emailed me first, hysterical and paranoid. BUT let me emphasize, SHE EMAILED ME FIRST. At no point was I ever anonymous with this woman.

Honestly, she scares me....I had no intention of any type of squabble, never meant to hurt her feelings. I can see who my initial comment hurt her, I was callous and rude, but I apologized to her, sincerely and the best I could, but she according to you, she does not forget, forgive or do anything that would compel emotional growth or caring

She has to send some dumas of a mercenary ( that would be you) to come in here and call me a liar. I am not lying. I have no need to lie, no face to keep up here.

I felt sorry for her at first, but now, I don't

She is the one wanting to keep it going, but I am not going to lower myself so that I may thrash about in her misery with her. I have not emailed her recently, have not contacted her in any way at all, so if harassment is going on, she needs to contact the site owners and have something done. I am sure a person can be thrown off the site for good reason, can't they? But I assure you, it will not be my IP address that comes up.

You can come back and twist my post into whatever you want it to say, just remember that there are a whole lot of people here who can read and are capable of understanding logic. Do not expect me to come in and wade through your tripe to defend myself against lies and paranoid ramblings again.

 

[Guest]

What a strange and uncomfortable thread this is.

 

[unpredictablebijou]

What a strange and uncomfortable thread this is.

Happily, all of the people in question have declared their intention to go away and never return to this horrible board. Can't blame them, really.

So we can just be done now, right?

bj

 

[Angeline]

What a strange and uncomfortable thread this is.

It's rather a sad thread, isn't it? I have my opinions about it, as I'm sure we all do, but discretion really is the better part of valor. All I can say is we're all human and that's what makes poetry so beautiful so I'm takin the high road.