They Hate Us.

[Ishmael]

Let's put aside the insults, big boy. You need not get defensive on my account.

I'm just wondering if in OUR minds we cultivated this hatred.

Or is the OP merely an exercise in hubris? Cause the Greeks figured out the answer to that a long, long time ago.

Not in mine, even with the criticisms I have of our culture I wouldn't trade mine for theirs.

But that still avoids the point and that being that they want to kill us for our culture, I don't think we want to kill them for theirs. Self-defense is a whole different subject.

I thought democracy was a God-given right. How could they possibly hate that?

Not according to Islam it isn't.

Ishmael

 

[DooleyDarter]

Does your analysis factor in our role in cultivating their hatred of us or did said hatred appear in a vacuum?

But But I thought Obama had it all figured out, be nicey nicey to them, bow a few times and all is well then its time to the links. maybe the islamist folks didnt open those emails.

 

[islandman]

Not in mine, even with the criticisms I have of our culture I wouldn't trade mine for theirs.

But that still avoids the point and that being that they want to kill us for our culture, I don't think we want to kill them for theirs. Self-defense is a whole different subject.

Excellent non-answer answer, Ish, but my question remains: in OUR minds, are we in part responsible for the cultivation of their hatred?

Not according to Islam it isn't.

Nor is it in America, where its god prefers a theocracy.

But But I thought Obama had it all figured out, be nicey nicey to them, bow a few times and all is well then its time to the links. maybe the islamist folks didnt open those emails.

Whoever told you that Obama had it all figured out is an idiot.

And, you should examine your motivations for listening to that person.

Oh....you were being sarcastic....sorry, going forward I'll just think of you as the male version of jeninflorida with an equally alarming hard-on for everything Obama. Your sarcasm will come through just fine as a result.

 

[neci]

fucking belgians. i knew it.

 

[oggbashan]

They hate fellow Muslims much more than they do the West.

Differences over interpretation of the sacred books has killed many adherents of many religions, including Christians and Muslims.

 

[RobDownSouth]

But But I thought Obama had it all figured out, be nicey nicey to them, bow a few times and all is well then its time to the links. maybe the islamist folks didnt open those emails.

What's your trenchant analysis as to the underlying cause here?

Is it coz they "hate us for our freedoms"?

Hmm?

Feel free to consult the wife...

 

[Ishmael]

They hate fellow Muslims much more than they do the West.

Differences over interpretation of the sacred books has killed many adherents of many religions, including Christians and Muslims.

Come on Ogg, let's talk about today not past histories. There is only one religion in the world today practicing mass murder in the name of their religion. I'm just not all that concerned about that Seventh Day Adventist that lives on the corner.

Ishmael

 

[Sean Renaud]

Maybe we don't let Ish make decisions for us anymore?

Seriously wasn't Ish pretty smart once upon a time?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Maybe we don't let Ish make decisions for us anymore?

Seriously wasn't Ish pretty smart once upon a time?

Not really. He used to be fairly clever, which isn't the same thing as being smart.

Now that the syphillis spirochetes have completed their 40 year migration up his spinal column to feast on the remaining spongy grey mass in his head, he isn't even considered clever any longer.

 

[islandman]

Come on Ogg, let's talk about today not past histories. There is only one religion in the world today practicing mass murder in the name of their religion. I'm just not all that concerned about that Seventh Day Adventist that lives on the corner.

Ishmael

Therein lies the crux of Ishmael's hubris.

Thanks for finally answering my question.

 

[Amberchgo]

They hate us.

.....

They hate us.

Ishmael

They love our money.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Therein lies the crux of Ishmael's hubris.

Thanks for finally answering my question.

You act like this is something new!

Remember back in 2002? When every day Vetty and/or Miles would breathlessly inform us that WMDs HAD BEEN FOUND!....only to backtrack a day or so later when these reports turned out to be utterly false?

Ish was different.

He calmly stated that we should wait for the Ritter Report. He stated that at least once a week.

Then, months later the Ritter Report came out.

The Ritter Report's findings did not support Ishmael's preconceived political bias.

Ergo....it was "ancient history" and it was "time to move on".

 

[Ishmael]

Therein lies the crux of Ishmael's hubris.

Thanks for finally answering my question.

And that post reflects your 8th grade mentality on the subject.

Ishmael

 

[DooleyDarter]

Excellent non-answer answer, Ish, but my question remains: in OUR minds, are we in part responsible for the cultivation of their hatred?




Nor is it in America, where its god prefers a theocracy.





Whoever told you that Obama had it all figured out is an idiot.

And, you should examine your motivations for listening to that person.

Oh....you were being sarcastic....sorry, going forward I'll just think of you as the male version of jeninflorida with an equally alarming hard-on for everything Obama. Your sarcasm will come through just fine as a result.

ahh it was just about all the liberasl running up to his coronation, not to mention the MSN you all seem to open our butts for.

 

[phrodeau]

Come on Ogg, let's talk about today not past histories. There is only one religion in the world today practicing mass murder in the name of their religion. I'm just not all that concerned about that Seventh Day Adventist that lives on the corner.

Ishmael

Let's apply that to your climate change arguments then.

 

[islandman]

And that post reflects your 8th grade mentality on the subject.

Ishmael

A subject that is one-sided and written by an OP who refuses to put the argument in a historical context, opting instead to "talk about today"?

I'm certain that's not an insult, Ish. If anything, it's laughable.

 

[islandman]

Let's apply that to your climate change arguments then.

Brilliantly stated!

!!!

 

[islandman]

ahh it was just about all the liberasl running up to his coronation, not to mention the MSN you all seem to open our butts for.

And for whom do you open your butt?

 

[DooleyDarter]

And for whom do you open your butt?

Nobody, I am not a liberal like you. that is in your Liberal manual, it is not part our conservative manual, at least not yet.

 

[DooleyDarter]

Let's apply that to your climate change arguments then.

I will help him out, there is no climate change standing on the corner.

 

[RobDownSouth]

ahh it was just about all the liberasl running up to his coronation, not to mention the MSN you all seem to open our butts for.

Paging Dr. Freud...paging Dr. Freud....

 

[DooleyDarter]

Paging Dr. Freud...paging Dr. Freud....

he is with Chis Mathews at the moment getting the tingles in his legs anal-ized

 

[Bad_Doggie]

But that still avoids the point and that being that they want to kill us for our culture, I don't think we want to kill them for theirs. Self-defense is a whole different subject.
Ishmael

That’s not what they say, that’s what you want them to say; they say they want to kill us to avenge (in their view) the “murder” of their fellow Muslims, the invasion of their lands and our constant interference in the internal affairs of Muslim countries.

Their words not mine.

How many regime changes, invasions and instances of direct support for regimes, that the people of a Muslim country don’t want, has there been by western Christian countries on Muslim countries? And vice a versa?

Come on Ogg, let's talk about today not past histories. There is only one religion in the world today practicing mass murder in the name of their religion. I'm just not all that concerned about that Seventh Day Adventist that lives on the corner.
Ishmael

It’s not religion, it’s wannabe political fascists who use religion as a convenient vehicle for their aims; while we quite happily keep adding fuel to the flames in our political/economic interests.

Woof!

 

[KingOrfeo]

They love our money.

And we love their oil like a junkie loves his smack.

 

[islandman]

Nobody, I am not a liberal like you. that is in your Liberal manual, it is not part our conservative manual, at least not yet.

You're an optimist and not a realist.

Got it.