They Hate Us.

[zipman]

This country was born on two facets: slavery and genocide.

Until this country fully acknowledges its internal history of fuckery, the fears of aging (American) white males due to the threats to their entitlement and hegemony will never cease to drive its future. This very thread being a case in point.

"They" hate us.

We smell your fucking "they," shitstains. Continue suffering in your perpetual fear of the other.

Most countries were founded on slavery on genocide.

The practice of slavery still exists in the world today as the map in the link shows.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...llion-slaves-live-there-are-60000-in-the-u-s/

 

[Skiddles2014]

They hate your freedom but love it when you bomb their entire family and kill their babies! Who wouldn't? Those fucking freedom haters! They love your funding of 'secret wars' that destroy their livelihood! Who the fuck wouldn't? It's America baby...FREEDOM!

 

[Bad_Doggie]

I understand where you're trying to go intellectually and on a case by case basis it can be said that there is an (im)moral equivalence between a Christian killing a Protestant or a Muslim killing a Christian, etc. But on the basis of the overall scale of what is taking place there is no equivalence to be found.
Ishmael

After your OP attempting to make this solely about non-state religion shows what a disingenuous fuck you really are.

If you want to add up a total, in a radical muslim’s eyes, you have to add up the total death’s caused by “us” (because after all that was what you were talking about in your op) including US/UK state killings of Muslims and Muslim state killings of “us”.

And when you do that we're probably in the realm of 100;1 Muslim/”us” deaths. And for that there is no equivalence to be found.

Yet it still doesn’t stop there and is made worse by the fact that virtually all of the Muslim deaths were the direct or indirect consequence of official U.S./UK government policy over decades.

By contrast, nearly all of “us” killed by Muslims were the victims of non-state unelected terrorist groups such as AQ.

The gestimate above doesn’t take into account the Arabs and Muslims killed by Israel in Lebanon, Gaza, and the West Bank. Given your generous and unconditional support for Israel's policy towards the Arab world in general and the Palestinians in particular, Muslims hold “you” responsible for those victims too.

And even this is without considering constant interference in various Muslim countries internal affairs and various attempts at regime change, successful and not made in your own interest and not theirs.

Where’s the surprise here?

Woof!

 

[Ishmael]

There is - the Nazi Holocaust that attempted genocide of the Jews. The Holocaust killed more in a shorter period than any fanatical Muslims have managed. It was supposed to be extermination of the Jewish race, but the only real distinction was the Jewish religion.

Pol Pot, Chairman Mao and Stalin are up there with the Nazis - but were they doing it for 'religious' reasons?

No, they weren't. Strictly genocidal, as was the Hutu - Tutsi wars. The Iraq-Iran war of the 80's, while superficially religiously motivated, was all about the oil. Over the centuries you can find example after example of mans inhumanity to his fellow man. I don't argue those points. I am only concerned with today's threat.

Using the Nazi's as an example though, we had to utterly destroy them militarily, inflict massive destruction on their infrastructure, imprison or execute ALL of the leadership, and occupy the nation for almost 50 years (and arguably still have a token army of occupation there today). And the only catechism they had was "Mein Kampf" which had a history of a mere 25 years. And all of that at a horrendous cost of national treasure and blood.

And that is as nothing compared to the Islamic Fundamentalist doctrine that is based on over 1400 years of a faith built on an extensive foundational writing with even further writings piled on top of that. All of which, to their core, are laws. Laws that cover virtually everything in life up to, and including, which hand to wipe your ass with. (There is a symbolic significance to the fact that thieves have their right hand amputated for punishment.) It is significant that in the land of Islam the jurist studies not the law, but the Qur'an and the Haddiths.

Ishmael

 

[Noor]

There is - the Nazi Holocaust that attempted genocide of the Jews. The Holocaust killed more in a shorter period than any fanatical Muslims have managed. It was supposed to be extermination of the Jewish race, but the only real distinction was the Jewish religion.

Please explain that last sentence.

 

[KingOrfeo]

There is - the Nazi Holocaust that attempted genocide of the Jews. The Holocaust killed more in a shorter period than any fanatical Muslims have managed. It was supposed to be extermination of the Jewish race, but the only real distinction was the Jewish religion.

No, it wasn't; the Nazis considered any Christian or atheist with Jewish blood a Jew, and sent such to the camps. In their ideology, Jews were simply born evil.

 

[Dream59]

That's ok. We hate them too.