Theories of the Orgasm

dr_mabeuse

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Theories of Orgasmic Esthetics: what makes orgasms so arousing to witness, so compelling and affectiing? Answers that go beyond the basic tautology of "Because they just are!" The kinds of things those of us who can't stop thinking about sex can't stop thinking about.

One idea is that they lay our essential animal nature bare, that human existence is a constant tension between the animal and the spiritual, that although we're trapped in our animal bodies, we strive to be something more, something transcendent and ideal. As such, we're always hiding the animal part of ourselves, and that's where our sense of shame comes from. In orgasm, we lose control of the ideal parts of ourselves and become the very thing we're always trying to conceal -- the sexual animal -- and it thrills us to see one another's essential natures like that.

Another theory involves the feeling of helplessness we experience when we come, the feeling of total dependence on our lover. It's a state of great vulnerability, while to the lover it's greatly empowering and enriching, a feeling of control and conquest. Notice how often in our stories the lovers compete to make the other come first, as if they're in a struggle for mastery. It's ultimate control when your lover orgasms.

Then there's the witness of their need for you, their descent into desire. This is very effective in fiction, to take a cold and haughty character and have him or her fall deeply for another and become their sexual slave. To be brought to orgasm is one of the most intimate connections you can have with another human being, and to have someone put that power in your hands can be terribly erotic. Or, it can just be terribly cheap, too.
 
You always make me feel so... plebeian and practical, Doc.

for me, witnessing someone else's orgasm induces an empathic orgasm in my own body-- it feels good. On the interpersonal side, I like to know I was the one who made the other person feel as good as (I happen to know through my awesome powers of empathy) they possibly can. On the spiritual side... too many politics, I guess, although I do know there is a spiritual side. :eek:
 
Michel Foucault wrote of ejaculation as a welcoming death experience. I've used that as both an image and a foundation of a few of my stories/books.
 
Doc, was that you in the second row, third from the left, in my auteur film class?
 
For all of you fortunate enough to have a lover assist your orgasms or even take control of them, thank your lucky stars or great karma. I, a mostly solo sexy older woman, have the majority of my orgasms by my own hand. Do I feel shame while masturbating? At 56, I think not. It is more like a day at the spa getting pampered, only by myself. It is difficult to watch myself get off since I close my eyes and fantasize alot. And somehow, I am always the dom and the sub. Ha.

But I do agree, Doc, it is very cheap entertainment and if done correctly can last a long time and have very satisfying results.
 
I'm currently rehearsing a play about men who have sex in public restrooms. I play a man who identifies as straight, but sort of PTSD-triggers gay with too much hard liquor. That's the cliff's notes, anyway...

So, this last week has been spent choreographing various permutations of gay bathroom sex to serve as backdrop to the confessional monologues of each character. Even in these early stages of blocking, it's clear that each characters' orgasms will punctuate the spoken elements, and it's all quite complex. The pertinent thing is, I receive simulated fellatio with three men and cum twice over the course of my time onstage. So far, I'm facing upstage for the orgasms - thank goodness! I can spasm my hips, spread my arms or something, and zip up, and in the silhouetted light the audience can fill in the blanks much better. That's my plan, LOL.

The effect so far is undeniably male, and disturbingly sexy. :eek: Disturbing for me, anyway, but also I think for many to see orgasms in such conditions. The juxtaposition is somehow visceral.
 
The effect so far is undeniably male, and disturbingly sexy. :eek: Disturbing for me, anyway, but also I think for many to see orgasms in such conditions. The juxtaposition is somehow visceral.

Your on stage orgasm style is different from your real orgasm, huh?

How much does a demonstrative orgasm matter? Kind of a lot to me. You want to know you've been effective.

Do I think about this too much? Am I too analytical? I don't know. I have a brain and when I'm not feeling orgasm I guess I'm thinking about it, trying to figure it out. I've come to the conclusion that just about all of life is sex, or sex once removed.

Didn't Freud think the urge toward orgasm was related to the urge toward death? Obviously that's bullshit. It seems like it's going in the opposite direction to me.

It just seemed that, with the glut of political threads, it might be good to delve into something totally opposite to politics, something entirely perceptual and sensual, non-verbal and irrational, something about as basic as it gets.
 
For all of you fortunate enough to have a lover assist your orgasms or even take control of them, thank your lucky stars or great karma. I, a mostly solo sexy older woman, have the majority of my orgasms by my own hand. Do I feel shame while masturbating? At 56, I think not. It is more like a day at the spa getting pampered, only by myself. It is difficult to watch myself get off since I close my eyes and fantasize alot. And somehow, I am always the dom and the sub. Ha.

But I do agree, Doc, it is very cheap entertainment and if done correctly can last a long time and have very satisfying results.

Speaking just physically, are your self-induced orgasms better than what you have with a partner? I know they are for me, and I've heard this is true for most men, but that's true just in the most basic, physical sense.

Emotionally and in terms of overall satisfaction, masturbation can't begin to compare to sex with a partner.
 
Doc,

In regards to orgasms from masturbation or actual intercourse, both can be wonderful. Rarely, do I mess up my masturbation session with inattentiveness or coming too fast. Intercourse on the other hand, in the over 50 crowd can be less satisfying due to the man not being in good sexual shape. Men look at me and think they can satisfy me until we get down to the nitty gritty. Then, they are all wet and I am ready for more, lots more. I do have a very high libido.

So sex with myself is always satisfying and I can not say the same thing for all my lovers over the years. That is physically. Emotionally the same thing holds true. At 56, I love myself and look for a man who wants to join me in that love and have it spread all over him until he is bathed in it and glowing...

But if the lover is selfish, I end up feeling used and worse off than when I started. Less loved, less nutured...

Now when I meet the right man at the right time, well, the heavens open up and I soar to the heights on cock power...

Allard
 
Doc,

In regards to orgasms from masturbation or actual intercourse, both can be wonderful. Rarely, do I mess up my masturbation session with inattentiveness or coming too fast. Intercourse on the other hand, in the over 50 crowd can be less satisfying due to the man not being in good sexual shape. Men look at me and think they can satisfy me until we get down to the nitty gritty. Then, they are all wet and I am ready for more, lots more. I do have a very high libido.

So sex with myself is always satisfying and I can not say the same thing for all my lovers over the years. That is physically. Emotionally the same thing holds true. At 56, I love myself and look for a man who wants to join me in that love and have it spread all over him until he is bathed in it and glowing...

But if the lover is selfish, I end up feeling used and worse off than when I started. Less loved, less nutured...

Now when I meet the right man at the right time, well, the heavens open up and I soar to the heights on cock power...

Allard

The other side of being over 50 is that orgasm can take a lot longer to achieve, for the guy. No doubt the ladies appreciate it no end. Hmmm, is that where the fascination for 'older men' comes from?
 
Theories of Orgasmic Esthetics: what makes orgasms so arousing to witness, so compelling and affectiing? Answers that go beyond the basic tautology of "Because they just are!" The kinds of things those of us who can't stop thinking about sex can't stop thinking about.

One idea is that they lay our essential animal nature bare, that human existence is a constant tension between the animal and the spiritual, that although we're trapped in our animal bodies, we strive to be something more, something transcendent and ideal. As such, we're always hiding the animal part of ourselves, and that's where our sense of shame comes from. In orgasm, we lose control of the ideal parts of ourselves and become the very thing we're always trying to conceal -- the sexual animal -- and it thrills us to see one another's essential natures like that.

Another theory involves the feeling of helplessness we experience when we come, the feeling of total dependence on our lover. It's a state of great vulnerability, while to the lover it's greatly empowering and enriching, a feeling of control and conquest. Notice how often in our stories the lovers compete to make the other come first, as if they're in a struggle for mastery. It's ultimate control when your lover orgasms.

Then there's the witness of their need for you, their descent into desire. This is very effective in fiction, to take a cold and haughty character and have him or her fall deeply for another and become their sexual slave. To be brought to orgasm is one of the most intimate connections you can have with another human being, and to have someone put that power in your hands can be terribly erotic. Or, it can just be terribly cheap, too.

I dunno Doc. I wish I was a bit more intellectual for you tonight. We recently had a threesome and it was FUN! It wasn't get-off material, but it was FUN - orgasm or not. Orgasms are easy to come by - fun during sex, not so easy for many. I honestly wish I could discuss this right now, but I'm still reeling with how much fun I had. Maybe orgasms are arousing to witness because voyeurism is a deep-rooted part of who we are...
 
I dunno Doc. I wish I was a bit more intellectual for you tonight. We recently had a threesome and it was FUN! It wasn't get-off material, but it was FUN - orgasm or not. Orgasms are easy to come by - fun during sex, not so easy for many. I honestly wish I could discuss this right now, but I'm still reeling with how much fun I had. Maybe orgasms are arousing to witness because voyeurism is a deep-rooted part of who we are...
I'd rather be fucked stupid, any day!
 
"voyeurism is a deep-rooted part of who we are..."

I love that! Yes, it is indeed. The porn movies that make me the hottest are the orgies. So many sexual acts going on all over the place... And the sounds, oh, the sounds really get me the most...
 
It's always been faces for me. Nothing gets me going more than a woman's face twisted in passion.
 
Speaking just physically, are your self-induced orgasms better than what you have with a partner? I know they are for me, and I've heard this is true for most men, but that's true just in the most basic, physical sense.

Emotionally and in terms of overall satisfaction, masturbation can't begin to compare to sex with a partner.

Self-induced are consistently faster and usually more intense given the utter lack of self-consciousness. I can reach that level with a partner -- that out-of-ego passion high -- but it's not anywhere near as common (because I usually have at least part of mind thinking about my partner's enjoyment).

Phone sex blurs those lines. It's just as fast and just as intense as completely solo action ... but it's also emotionally satisfying/intimate in a way that unshared sex is not.
 
Maybe it's just "us" but we both get the biggest and bestest orgis when we are with another person. But that might just be the way we do it.

One of us will concentrate solely on the other (no reciprocity) until they have a "sheet ripper". Then its the others turn to have a "sheet ripper". Once we have each had a couple mega-gasms and the edge is off, so to speak, we settle in for some nice slow mutual "loving" ones.
 
Maybe it's just "us" but we both get the biggest and bestest orgis when we are with another person. But that might just be the way we do it.

One of us will concentrate solely on the other (no reciprocity) until they have a "sheet ripper". Then its the others turn to have a "sheet ripper". Once we have each had a couple mega-gasms and the edge is off, so to speak, we settle in for some nice slow mutual "loving" ones.
It's good to have a system!:cattail:
 
I've always been more the 'just wing that sucker' type. You end up in the most interesting situations. :devil:
 
So many wonderful thoughts here, yikes!

love this one "I have a brain, so when I am not having an orgasm, I am thinking about it." thanks zoot

also a large hardon - I am like you, in that my orgasms are by my own hand. What to do, when the orgasm is a challenge, a lot of hard work and hard to come by? and you have a lover, who is in every other important way more than one could ask?

I am very jealous of Imp, who is able to orgasm while dreaming. I could wait years and not have this happen
 
Having been monogamous my entire life, what can be called either a routine or a system brings satisfying results. Of course, there's always something new to learn.
 
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