The YDD Award

[twelveoone]

It has always been my feeling that something has been missing for Literotica since the loss of YDD. This has been compounded by the absence of WickedEve. YDD always seemed to me to get to essence of what the writer and the poem tried to be. WickedEve always was ready to help newbies.

First, I digress, on "things":

Let's start with things. What does a "thing" look like? Smell like? Sound like? How much space does it take up? Is it big, small, or medium sized? In short, what the hell does it say?

Is it, in fact, a word that says anything?

Oh.

I hope you agree that no, it doesn't.

Thing is a non-word, a very generic word--it basically doesn't add anything (ooh, buried thing, there) to the imagery of the poem. It evokes nothing (yikes! thing again!) in the reader. It is merely a placeholder for a real and concrete word--a word that gives the reader some actual purchase on what you actually do want to say.

In this context, I agree, but I find "things" to be the perfect word for what you have an attachment for, but probably shouldn't as for instance the whatever you hold in your hand, or you write, and can't decide if it garbage or not.

So, because I think the greatest unsung heroes are those that are willing to point out the problems and the potentional (you can't point out the potentional, of something that you just said is the greatest), or in other words, real critics.

I have observed comments, the "Not for the Thin-Skinned" thread and a couple of submission threads by people asking for advice, so this is just MY subjective evualation only.

I am impressed with this Tzara, not only for going after that awefull disciple of that late great poet Johnny Cochrane, 1201, but for the insight shown in the essence and mechanics of poetry.

This weeks YDD prize goes to:
Tzara = Not For The Thin-Skinned, and Damn

Special mention for BooMerengue for getting over her reluctance to offer criticism.

Others I would like to note:
bogusbrig = Pls. vote on some of my poems
*Catbabe* = Not For The Thin-Skinned

Honorable mention to J. Doe, who is not afraid to hand out 4's.

Quite nicely done, I appeciate. Sorry if I missed anyone. If you wish we can make this more democratic. No fluffers. No new poem mentions.

Ignore criticism, you die as a writer.

 

[Rybka]

Objection!

It has always been my feeling that something has been missing for Literotica since the loss of YDD. This has been compounded by the absence of WickedEve. YDD always seemed to me to get to essence of what the writer and the poem tried to be. WickedEve always was ready to help newbies.

First, I digress, on "things":



In this context, I agree, but I find "things" to be the perfect word for what you have an attachment for, but probably shouldn't as for instance the whatever you hold in your hand, or you write, and can't decide if it garbage or not.

So, because I think the greatest unsung heroes are those that are willing to point out the problems and the potentional (you can't point out the potential, of something that you just said is the greatest), or in other words, real critics.

I have observed comments, the "Not for the Thin-Skinned" thread and a couple of submission threads by people asking for advice, so this is just MY subjective evaluation only.

I am impressed with this Tzara, not only for going after that awefull disciple of that late great poet Johnny Cochrane, 1201, but for the insight shown in the essence and mechanics of poetry.

This weeks YDD prize goes to:
Tzara = Not For The Thin-Skinned, and Damn

Special mention for BooMerengue for getting over her reluctance to offer criticism.

Others I would like to note:
bogusbrig = Pls. vote on some of my poems
*Catbabe* = Not For The Thin-Skinned

Honorable mention to J. Doe, who is not afraid to hand out 4's.

Quite nicely done, I appeciate. Sorry if I missed anyone. If you wish we can make this more democratic. No fluffers. No new poem mentions.

Ignore criticism, you die as a writer.

Why do you feel that you have the "right" to appropriate the mantle of YDD for your own viewpoint/purposes?

I have been thinking of asking "The Poets" to name the soon to be new sub-forum after/in honor of her. However I have not been able to come up with a Y *** D *** D *** title that would represent what she stood for. Do you, or anyone else, have a suggestion?

 

[My Erotic Tale]

It has always been my feeling that something has been missing for Literotica since the loss of YDD. This has been compounded by the absence of WickedEve. YDD always seemed to me to get to essence of what the writer and the poem tried to be. WickedEve always was ready to help newbies.

First, I digress, on "things":



In this context, I agree, but I find "things" to be the perfect word for what you have an attachment for, but probably shouldn't as for instance the whatever you hold in your hand, or you write, and can't decide if it garbage or not.

So, because I think the greatest unsung heroes are those that are willing to point out the problems and the potentional (you can't point out the potentional, of something that you just said is the greatest), or in other words, real critics.

I have observed comments, the "Not for the Thin-Skinned" thread and a couple of submission threads by people asking for advice, so this is just MY subjective evualation only.

I am impressed with this Tzara, not only for going after that awefull disciple of that late great poet Johnny Cochrane, 1201, but for the insight shown in the essence and mechanics of poetry.

This weeks YDD prize goes to:
Tzara = Not For The Thin-Skinned, and Damn

Special mention for BooMerengue for getting over her reluctance to offer criticism.

Others I would like to note:
bogusbrig = Pls. vote on some of my poems
*Catbabe* = Not For The Thin-Skinned

Honorable mention to J. Doe, who is not afraid to hand out 4's.

Quite nicely done, I appeciate. Sorry if I missed anyone. If you wish we can make this more democratic. No fluffers. No new poem mentions.

Ignore criticism, you die as a writer.

your kidding right?



An Award to any body that can disect a poem or speak their mind harshly, rather they have A Literary degrees or not? Who would have thought of that?

You two, I like, so here it is in a nut shell ... there are two ...that I know of and would certainly like to be enlightened if there are more ...with the professional background and or college degree that states they are qualified to critic a write. Now from what I have seen most comments here are mere wind and hot air, as Lauren said ...her critique is nothing more than her opinion.

so how can you (qualified?) give an Award for being negative? certainly you intend to assure these are qualified critics? or just any Joe Blows opinion?

(~_~)

 

[Du Lac]

A short note...

This is a waste of space in this forum. This is a poetry forum NOT a political forum. This type of thread combined with the negative reviews of the other day (where the poem was mentioned but more negative aspects were mentioned then the WHY it is good therefore why were they even mentioned in the reviews?).... are reasons why every one is leaving the forum.

I understand all have thier thoughts and the freedom to voice them but if you people have not heard .... THIS SHIT OF NEGATIVE POUNCING ON OTHERS NEEDS TO STOP. If you can not be nice then go join a political group or a religion... where you are taught that you are the SAVED and RIGHT.... and leave this forum alone to be what it is suppose to be.. a writers haven to express themselves and learn.

Some of the best advice I have ever gotten if you can't say anything nice then do not say anything.... unless asked. I swear if you put this much effort into writing a poem we might have something to create a thread about....but I find it funny that neither of you post hardly any poems to share with others... why is that?

So either write something or be nice and quiet unless ASKED. Learn to play nice both of you... otherwise you are looked at as ASSES...

Now I have had my say... which is not my usual way... but enough is enough and I am damn sick of this place becoming a hell hole.... and killing any type of writing that can be enjoyed.

Du Lac~

 

[twelveoone]

Why do you feel that you have the "right" to appropriate the mantle of YDD for your own viewpoint/purposes?

I have been thinking of asking "The Poets" to name the soon to be new sub-forum after/in honor of her. However I have not been able to come up with a Y *** D *** D *** title that would represent what she stood for. Do you, or anyone else, have a suggestion?

Then do so, will gladly relinquish, BTW who are the "Poets". I would think it would be a sorry ass place without a tribute to a person who offered what I consider good criticism, and if this is what it takes, I'm glad I did it. That is my viewpoint, that is my purpose.

POX

 

[twelveoone]

your kidding right?



An Award to any body that can disect a poem or speak their mind harshly, rather they have A Literary degrees or not? Who would have thought of that?

You two, I like, so here it is in a nut shell ... there are two ...that I know of and would certainly like to be enlightened if there are more ...with the professional background and or college degree that states they are qualified to critic a write. Now from what I have seen most comments here are mere wind and hot air, as Lauren said ...her critique is nothing more than her opinion.

so how can you (qualified?) give an Award for being negative? certainly you intend to assure these are qualified critics? or just any Joe Blows opinion?

(~_~)

Yin and Yang, art, yin and yang, why is it so difficult for you to understand that anything you don't like just maybe be valid. Surely you don't believe your positve press. I don't mine.

 

[twelveoone]

This is a waste of space in this forum. This is a poetry forum NOT a political forum. This type of thread combined with the negative reviews of the other day (where the poem was mentioned but more negative aspects were mentioned then the WHY it is good therefore why were they even mentioned in the reviews?).... are reasons why every one is leaving the forum.

I understand all have thier thoughts and the freedom to voice them but if you people have not heard .... THIS SHIT OF NEGATIVE POUNCING ON OTHERS NEEDS TO STOP. If you can not be nice then go join a political group or a religion... where you are taught that you are the SAVED and RIGHT.... and leave this forum alone to be what it is suppose to be.. a writers haven to express themselves and learn.

Some of the best advice I have ever gotten if you can't say anything nice then do not say anything.... unless asked. I swear if you put this much effort into writing a poem we might have something to create a thread about....but I find it funny that neither of you post hardly any poems to share with others... why is that?

So either write something or be nice and quiet unless ASKED. Learn to play nice both of you... otherwise you are looked at as ASSES...

Now I have had my say... which is not my usual way... but enough is enough and I am damn sick of this place becoming a hell hole.... and killing any type of writing that can be enjoyed.

Du Lac~

Du, if you are refering to me not posting, I post here to find out what is wrong with it, and I post when I am done with it.

 

[My Erotic Tale]

Then do so, will gladly relinquish, BTW who are the "Poets". I would think it would be a sorry ass place without a tribute to a person who offered what I consider good criticism, and if this is what it takes, I'm glad I did it. That is my viewpoint, that is my purpose.

POX

"The Poets" is the Moderators <<<

I have some writings from YDD and I think she would say ,

YDingDang
05/01/04 by YDD
I didn't point out the errors in the other poem,
so I won't in this one.
Besides,
there are so many that the author probably created most of them intentionally,
and thus they are not errors.

I do wish that you had kept the poem shorter,
I don't know if I am worthy of an Eastern saga as of yet.

I do wish "The Same Difference" had been polished and set in the sun to shine on its own.

If my words have helped you even in the battle of yourself, then I am happy.
My comments are meant to be constructive, never destructive.
Some unfortunately are misinterpreted because the written word does not convey the subtlety and tone of the spoken.
The reader brings his/her own conceptions and predispositions to the page.
Humor is often missed and beneficial insights rejected.



YDD

 

[My Erotic Tale]

Yin and Yang, art, yin and yang, why is it so difficult for you to understand that anything you don't like just maybe be valid. Surely you don't believe your positve press. I don't mine.

there 12 you get the Y Ding Dang "award"


oh ...wait....do you have a degree in literature?

 

[twelveoone]

there 12 you get the Y Ding Dang "award"


oh ...wait....do you have a degree in literature?

I suppose you do, you have the Poem Academy, I don't.
Get over it Art.

 

[Liar]

Some of the best advice I have ever gotten if you can't say anything nice then do not say anything.... unless asked. I swear if you put this much effort into writing a poem we might have something to create a thread about....but I find it funny that neither of you post hardly any poems to share with others... why is that?

So either write something or be nice and quiet unless ASKED. Learn to play nice both of you... otherwise you are looked at as ASSES...

May I point out that the threads that 1201 just referred to (especally Not For The Thin-Skinned) are crreated for the purpose of non-sugar-coated critisism, and that participating there is in fact to ask for just that.

Some of the best advice I have ever gotten if you can't say anything useful then do not say anything.

The climate on this board is to testy sometimes that I can't dare to be honest, without an overwhelming risk of being branded as Satan, Hatemonger Extraordinaire, Clubber Of Baby Seals and Destroyer Of All Things Beautiful. That's why this camper doesn't post much here anymore, except wh I know it's 5000% safe I don't step on anybody's toes.

This post is an exception, but I feel that it had to be said.

 

[My Erotic Tale]

I suppose you do, you have the Poem Academy, I don't.
Get over it Art.

yes my friend I did,
and when sack threw a fit about superficial comments, vague comments AND no DEGRESS in literature I let it go...I thought every one knew that? I am unsure of what I am to be getting over? I only wished to enlighten you 12 that the 'opinions'' around here are just that and not substantial, and was very curious how you can pat a back and not know rather they are a lit major or just have an opinion you like?

 

[tarablackwood22]

This is a waste of space in this forum. This is a poetry forum NOT a political forum. This type of thread combined with the negative reviews of the other day (where the poem was mentioned but more negative aspects were mentioned then the WHY it is good therefore why were they even mentioned in the reviews?).... are reasons why every one is leaving the forum.

I understand all have thier thoughts and the freedom to voice them but if you people have not heard .... THIS SHIT OF NEGATIVE POUNCING ON OTHERS NEEDS TO STOP. If you can not be nice then go join a political group or a religion... where you are taught that you are the SAVED and RIGHT.... and leave this forum alone to be what it is suppose to be.. a writers haven to express themselves and learn.

Some of the best advice I have ever gotten if you can't say anything nice then do not say anything.... unless asked. I swear if you put this much effort into writing a poem we might have something to create a thread about....but I find it funny that neither of you post hardly any poems to share with others... why is that?

So either write something or be nice and quiet unless ASKED. Learn to play nice both of you... otherwise you are looked at as ASSES...

Now I have had my say... which is not my usual way... but enough is enough and I am damn sick of this place becoming a hell hole.... and killing any type of writing that can be enjoyed.

Du Lac~

there 12 you get the Y Ding Dang "award"


oh ...wait....do you have a degree in literature?

I have degrees in literature. Multiple.

And the two of you are so full of shit, I need a gas mask.

 

[Du Lac]

May I point out that the threads that 1201 just referred to (especally Not For The Thin-Skinned) are crreated for the purpose of non-sugar-coated critisism, and that participating there is in fact to ask for just that.

Some of the best advice I have ever gotten if you can't say anything useful then do not say anything.

The climate on this board is to testy sometimes that I can't dare to be honest, without an overwhelming risk of being branded as Satan, Hatemonger Extraordinaire, Clubber Of Baby Seals and Destroyer Of All Things Beautiful. That's why this camper doesn't post much here anymore, except wh I know it's 5000% safe I don't step on anybody's toes.

This post is an exception, but I feel that it had to be said.

Liar
I also try to not say anything and just let others be. But I have seen the negative grow here.. and good writers leaving. It was not the threads such as thin skinned I was complaining about but this one that we are writing on... it seemed to me that the praise was being given to those who can not balance the critical process ....

So I opened my big mouth. I just hate to see another thread devoted to the political realm of this forum and the whole purpose of why we are here TO WRITE AND LEARN being pushed to the back burner. I am not saying anyone was wrong in having an opinion rather I was trying to state that it can be expresses with a wiser voice...........

that said I am done expressing my self... I QUIT! I just get so frustrated some times I open my mouth when it should just stay shut........and let others just do what they do and all will come out in the wash anyway........

du lac~

 

[My Erotic Tale]

May I point out that the threads that 1201 just referred to (especally Not For The Thin-Skinned) are crreated for the purpose of non-sugar-coated critisism, and that participating there is in fact to ask for just that.

Some of the best advice I have ever gotten if you can't say anything useful then do not say anything.

The climate on this board is to testy sometimes that I can't dare to be honest, without an overwhelming risk of being branded as Satan, Hatemonger Extraordinaire, Clubber Of Baby Seals and Destroyer Of All Things Beautiful. That's why this camper doesn't post much here anymore, except wh I know it's 5000% safe I don't step on anybody's toes.

This post is an exception, but I feel that it had to be said.

your lying <lol>

okay so what are you saying? the thin skinned thread is a practice ground for amature literary surgeons wanting to be critics and as once said in order to be a good critic you have to hate everything. so what are you saying <grin>

 

[My Erotic Tale]

I have degrees in literature. Multiple.

And the two of you are so full of shit, I need a gas mask.

I do not see too many comments from you these days, I use to? Hands tara a surgeons mask.

 

[twelveoone]

May I point out that the threads that 1201 just referred to (especally Not For The Thin-Skinned) are crreated for the purpose of non-sugar-coated critisism, and that participating there is in fact to ask for just that.

Some of the best advice I have ever gotten if you can't say anything useful then do not say anything.

The climate on this board is to testy sometimes that I can't dare to be honest, without an overwhelming risk of being branded as Satan, Hatemonger Extraordinaire, Clubber Of Baby Seals and Destroyer Of All Things Beautiful. That's why this camper doesn't post much here anymore, except wh I know it's 5000% safe I don't step on anybody's toes.

This post is an exception, but I feel that it had to be said.

Thank you, Liar
I on the other hand, have been called worse. If the climate created, holds you back, THAT is a shame. It is the poem, I haven't seen anything perfect, nor great here, close maybe, I'm here to find out what works, and WHAT doesn't. I LIKE those that point it out, even if I think they are wrong.

 

[BrinkOfDoom]

Ignore criticism, you die as a writer.

I don't think so. Something has to be said about perseverance in the face of negativism and even in the face of critics who are trying to offer assistance, but do not see what is unique in each person. Should Cummings have bent an iota to please the editors and critcs in his era? I'd say take each crit with a grain of salt, and also critics shouldn't be proud of discovering the early poetry from any individual is amateurish.

I also want to say the lack of a degree doesn't stop a lot of fine writers, but I totally get the gist of what Art is saying - and I appreciate the intelligence of his heart. T to the Z, though short stayed here at lit, your cognitive and literary merits outshine this award, which should be an embarassment to the presenter. Well, I mean - that's just obvious.

BoD

 

[My Erotic Tale]

Thank you, Liar
I on the other hand, have been called worse. If the climate created, holds you back, THAT is a shame. It is the poem, I haven't seen anything perfect, nor great here, close maybe, I'm here to find out what works, and WHAT doesn't. I LIKE those that point it out, even if I think they are wrong.

"I'm here to find out what works, and WHAT doesn't."

this is what I am refering to as an amature surgeon with tools to wittle and learn critic on whos writes? poetry chipping should be left to the professional chippers. <grin>

 

[Liar]

your lying <lol>

Gonna change my name soon, that is getting old.

okay so what are you saying? the thin skinned thread is a practice ground for amature literary surgeons wanting to be critics and as once said in order to be a good critic you have to hate everything. so what are you saying <grin>

Huh? Sorry, I'm not following a word of what you're saying there, friend. Why hate? I don't hate.

The Thin Skinned thread is a place where poems are debated and discussed openly, freely and in-depth. A place where you can say what you mean and don't censor yourself in fear of bruisisng other people's egos. A place where you get and give solid, constructive critique. If I had more time to devote to it, I would be an avid contributor.

 

[twelveoone]

yes my friend I did,
and when sack threw a fit about superficial comments, vague comments AND no DEGRESS in literature I let it go...I thought every one knew that? I am unsure of what I am to be getting over? I only wished to enlighten you 12 that the 'opinions'' around here are just that and not substantial, and was very curious how you can pat a back and not know rather they are a lit major or just have an opinion you like?

Art my opinion of people waving MFA's as a whole is low, but one can tell from the comments how much shit is being thrown. Shit is shit, regardless of the degree behind it. As far as dissecting goes, once you begin to pull things apart, you also learn how to put it together.

I see Tara made a very rare appearence, I began pulling her's apart, in the Interact threads, I began to pull others apart, gave me a great appreciation for the authours, even the ones whose styles I do not love. The more you look the more you see. YDD, Tara helped me see, as did everyone who participated, as did everyone who left less than praise.

Three people who helped ME see, something I couldn't, Tara. Pat Carrington and Angeline, they are at the opposite end of the writing spectrum so to speak, I learn from them, because I then have to question what I am doing.

 

[Liar]

I do not see too many comments from you these days, I use to? Hands tara a surgeons mask.

Same reason that you don't see comments from me. Getting shouted down for showing honesty isn't worth the effort of typing it.

 

[twelveoone]

and I am sure Tara, Pat, and Ange have literary backgrounds, but they don't write DEAD, like some MFA's. I'm not going to change my style, I may bend it, hopefully improve it. No way, am I going to write that way, no way are any of them going to write like me, but I hope, they may see things a little different.
As far as Tara goes, I owe her alot.

 

[My Erotic Tale]

Gonna change my name soon, that is getting old.
Huh? Sorry, I'm not following a word of what you're saying there, friend. Why hate? I don't hate.

The Thin Skinned thread is a place where poems are debated and discussed openly, freely and in-depth. A place where you can say what you mean and don't censor yourself in fear of bruisisng other people's egos. A place where you get and give solid, constructive critique. If I had more time to devote to it, I would be an avid contributor.

I understand that Liar and I promise there is little I hate <grin> the need for such a thread is magnet to those that need others to disect, discuss and grow. I am not against anyone doing what makes them happy. Including 12's name nominee but an award to encourage negativity is what I have a small problem with, fostering a slew of comments from those with out merit or degress is a hen house full of chickens squawkin, and not exactly helpful.

 

[twelveoone]

I have degrees in literature. Multiple.

I don't hold it against you.
owe you much, so much