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The Writing is on the wall, Adieu Literotica.
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Stella_Omega
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yep, those would def get deleted from any lit story.
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I understand what you're saying
But I hate to see you go.
But I hate to see you go.
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That's what I figured, but then I couldn't quite figure out the point of the excerpt. Ages are clearly stated, etc., and the rule is no underage sex, no matter the author's intent, right?
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Yes, exactly so. It doesn't matter that the intent of one paragraph is to show it in a bad light-- the context of the entire site is sexual titillation.
More more importantly-- if someone wanted to be insulted by them they could make legal trouble for the owners.
The relative level of disturbedness between different readers is not anyone's concern.
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Please don't go. 
You're fun to have around. And you backsass scouries with me.
You're fun to have around. And you backsass scouries with me.
To my understanding, 'real time' doesn't have anything to do with it. Explicitly or not, you're depicting the rape of a 9 y/o child in your _story_, have made it very clear that this is what has happened with no room for error, and that's a violation of LE policy. Flashbacks aren't a loophole, far as I can tell.
There are forums that tolerate, and even encourage such story-telling. I can't speak on the subject of the contests, because I don't know anything about them, but I can't say as I understand why you have a problem with having that story removed, unless you're arguing that LE should be more like KA and others who do allow it.
There are forums that tolerate, and even encourage such story-telling. I can't speak on the subject of the contests, because I don't know anything about them, but I can't say as I understand why you have a problem with having that story removed, unless you're arguing that LE should be more like KA and others who do allow it.
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I don't see how you can possibly believe that you were wronged. The rule is clear, and the excerpts clearly violate the rule. There is no ambiguity, no room for interpretation.
It would have been easy enough to provide the same information without flouting the rule. You chose to flesh out the paragraphs in violation of the rules. That's your choice, but the consequences -- as minimal as they may be -- are well known. Your complaint is specious.
It would have been easy enough to provide the same information without flouting the rule. You chose to flesh out the paragraphs in violation of the rules. That's your choice, but the consequences -- as minimal as they may be -- are well known. Your complaint is specious.
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note to lovey
(unofficial, my opinion only).
lovecraft: No I have 60 because 2 were pulled. No e-mail no explanation they are simply not there. Now I know well why they were pulled. Both contained instances of an underage situation.
Well then you deserve it! You say. Well maybe, but it's not that simple. See thing is first off, I hid nothing. The age is mentioned straight out there is no "budding breasts" no tricky games.
And both stories went through their system with the age boldly declared and cleared. On has been up since the fall of 2010 the other for 6 months. I assumed that they let it go because neither scene (a paragraph or so each in both cases) was written to titillate both scenes are pretty disturbing and are for shock not arousal. In fact if someone could be aroused by them they are indeed disturbed.
I also went by someone here(can't remember who) saying that if a situation advances the story they may give leeway. I figured this was the case. So today or yesterday they were pulled.
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there are some genuine issues in the rest of your post, but the above is very curious, indeed, as is your re post of the passages, you say you have always known are 'underage'.
above you are trying to arguing for loopholes in the rules, sorta like obscenity laws make exceptions for works of scientific merit. you want to re negotiate the rules. but you have no standing. you're like the patron of Burger King who wants to argue, with the owner, that the medium sized soft drink should have a couple more ounces, since you're often thirsty, after finishing.
further you say, "someone" said you'd have leeway. your wife, so to say, would also like those extra ounces.
you seem fairly articulate, and often reasonable. i'm not sure about "mellow". but let's start at the beginning:
what part of No underage sex scenes are permitted at Literotica. do you not understand.?
why not cool out. continue to assess the gains and losses you believe you've suffered from being at Lit. check your conclusion. have you actually, undeservedly, lost one nickel of income?
best,
pure.
PS. If you are talking to "Manuel" in the deletions dept, say 'hello' or 'ola' for me.
(unofficial, my opinion only).
lovecraft: No I have 60 because 2 were pulled. No e-mail no explanation they are simply not there. Now I know well why they were pulled. Both contained instances of an underage situation.
Well then you deserve it! You say. Well maybe, but it's not that simple. See thing is first off, I hid nothing. The age is mentioned straight out there is no "budding breasts" no tricky games.
And both stories went through their system with the age boldly declared and cleared. On has been up since the fall of 2010 the other for 6 months. I assumed that they let it go because neither scene (a paragraph or so each in both cases) was written to titillate both scenes are pretty disturbing and are for shock not arousal. In fact if someone could be aroused by them they are indeed disturbed.
I also went by someone here(can't remember who) saying that if a situation advances the story they may give leeway. I figured this was the case. So today or yesterday they were pulled.
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pure responds:
there are some genuine issues in the rest of your post, but the above is very curious, indeed, as is your re post of the passages, you say you have always known are 'underage'.
above you are trying to arguing for loopholes in the rules, sorta like obscenity laws make exceptions for works of scientific merit. you want to re negotiate the rules. but you have no standing. you're like the patron of Burger King who wants to argue, with the owner, that the medium sized soft drink should have a couple more ounces, since you're often thirsty, after finishing.
further you say, "someone" said you'd have leeway. your wife, so to say, would also like those extra ounces.
you seem fairly articulate, and often reasonable. i'm not sure about "mellow". but let's start at the beginning:
what part of No underage sex scenes are permitted at Literotica. do you not understand.?
why not cool out. continue to assess the gains and losses you believe you've suffered from being at Lit. check your conclusion. have you actually, undeservedly, lost one nickel of income?
best,
pure.
PS. If you are talking to "Manuel" in the deletions dept, say 'hello' or 'ola' for me.
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Unless the website is having to do a lot of this pulling (I don't know; I haven't seen any), I think it should have sent a notification--if only to serve the readers. Not knowing that two chapters of a long series have disappeared isn't good for the readers. With notification perhaps they could be rewritten and not leave a hole in the series.
You really should just button it up on the contest issue, though. The votes that were swept from your story in extraordinarily greater proportion to those swept from other stories in that contest were votes in favor of the story. The cheating finger points in an entirely different direction than you obviously want it to point. Your story wasn't cheated out of a win; it was prevented from being cheated into a win--or at least that was the website's judgment on it.
If you're thinking that pulling your stories is going to make the site go "oh woe is me" and beg you to stay--historically speaking, that hasn't happened for much more favorited and prolific posters who have gone this route before.
Those who really want to go, just do it. They don't do the dying swan routine in the process.
You really should just button it up on the contest issue, though. The votes that were swept from your story in extraordinarily greater proportion to those swept from other stories in that contest were votes in favor of the story. The cheating finger points in an entirely different direction than you obviously want it to point. Your story wasn't cheated out of a win; it was prevented from being cheated into a win--or at least that was the website's judgment on it.
If you're thinking that pulling your stories is going to make the site go "oh woe is me" and beg you to stay--historically speaking, that hasn't happened for much more favorited and prolific posters who have gone this route before.
Those who really want to go, just do it. They don't do the dying swan routine in the process.
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Oh... Got'cha!
It's like "the bitch was ASKING to get raped" woman's fault not the poor misled rapists. Yeah, that kind of weak logic and even weaker spine sure fits you well.
P.S. Blow it out your ass, LC and FFS stop PMing me!
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Wait -- so, knowing that the bot flags ages, and knowing that underage sex is against the rules on this site, you went and included an explicit sex scene involving a child, specifying the child's age. The bot missed it and the chapter(s) was posted. It was later caught. So are you saying that since it got through originally, it should have stayed? Come on.
If you're mad that your story got caught when others did not and have not, then I can only say, too bad, and move on. The site is run (it seems) by about two people. They can't catch everything. And it's free.
If you want to include scenes like that, do it on a site that allows it.
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Two friends of mine, SadieRose and WickedWendyDru, both GM authors', had stories pulled lately and they did not get a email before hand. Trust me, both were upset when they found out. Don't think Sadie put hers back, but Wicked did and the score and comments were not affected.
If this is the case, why argue for being granted exceptional status and instead argue for even-handed enforcement? You aren't suggesting that the policy be changed and removed, you're asking for special consideration. Clearly, the child-rape scene should never have been allowed under the standards LE is supposed to follow.
So if the real problem is other stories that violate the same rules, why aren't you doing something about it? It's not snitching, it's not "trying to get them punished", it's about the rules that LE set down to conduct their business.
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While we're slinging cliches around, this strikes me as a bit of "live by the sword, die by the sword." LC made his bones by being an edgy bastard. Evidently a bit too edgy.
My head-scratcher is that the objectionable content from the pulled stories could have been suggested or alluded to with equal literary effect. Hitchcock knew how to scare his audience silly without spurting blood all over a movie set. So should we. Give us the creepy uncle, his hungry looks when other family members aren't watching, the sound of his niece's door creaking open in the middle of the night, a few murmured promises, the touch of his sweaty fingers, and the cries of her betrayal muffled into a pillow.
My point? A writer can paint a picture of abuse without detailing the ass-rape of a nine-year-old. You should know better, LC. You're better than this.
My head-scratcher is that the objectionable content from the pulled stories could have been suggested or alluded to with equal literary effect. Hitchcock knew how to scare his audience silly without spurting blood all over a movie set. So should we. Give us the creepy uncle, his hungry looks when other family members aren't watching, the sound of his niece's door creaking open in the middle of the night, a few murmured promises, the touch of his sweaty fingers, and the cries of her betrayal muffled into a pillow.
My point? A writer can paint a picture of abuse without detailing the ass-rape of a nine-year-old. You should know better, LC. You're better than this.
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I'm sorry to see you go, LoveCraft. You obviously enjoy writing and enjoy the site. Fuck them all. Just stay and write.
I don't see your point about the underage story, though. Having posted nearly 1,000 stories, I've always been careful to write my characters as 18-years-old and older.
I agree with Paco about a writer being able to paint a picture of abuse without having to use a 9-year-old. I also agree with Sr71plt about the dying swan act, as that scenario has been overused here by better and more prolific writers than you.
Listen, no one gives a shit about you or your stories. Once you get that through your head, then you'll realize that we writers are a dime a dozen. You are only as good as your last story. Period. Amen. Use this site for what it is, to become a better writer. Don't throw all that you've created away. The feedback is what you are here for. Writing is a lifelong apprenticeship. You've only just begun. I figure by the time you're dead, you'll be a really good writer (lol).
I gave up expecting anything from the owners of this site years ago. I suggest you develop a thicker skin by particpating in a few writers' workshops. If you're close to Cambridge and Boston, you can throw a rock and find half a dozen of them. Trust me, the other writers in a writers' workshop will tear your story to shreds but they'll make you a better writer.
Just write your stories. Don't expect to win a contest. Don't expect to earn a Green E. Don't expect to earn a red H with every story. My advice is to participate in the Survivor contest and write in as many categories as possible. My advice is to stop writing stories for Kindle and/or Amazon. Write for yourself. Maybe one day, you'll write that novel that will be picked up by a real publishing house and you'll make some real money.
Whatever you decide. Good luck, but keep writing. It's your passion, your curse, and your disease (lol).
Freddie
I don't see your point about the underage story, though. Having posted nearly 1,000 stories, I've always been careful to write my characters as 18-years-old and older.
I agree with Paco about a writer being able to paint a picture of abuse without having to use a 9-year-old. I also agree with Sr71plt about the dying swan act, as that scenario has been overused here by better and more prolific writers than you.
Listen, no one gives a shit about you or your stories. Once you get that through your head, then you'll realize that we writers are a dime a dozen. You are only as good as your last story. Period. Amen. Use this site for what it is, to become a better writer. Don't throw all that you've created away. The feedback is what you are here for. Writing is a lifelong apprenticeship. You've only just begun. I figure by the time you're dead, you'll be a really good writer (lol).
I gave up expecting anything from the owners of this site years ago. I suggest you develop a thicker skin by particpating in a few writers' workshops. If you're close to Cambridge and Boston, you can throw a rock and find half a dozen of them. Trust me, the other writers in a writers' workshop will tear your story to shreds but they'll make you a better writer.
Just write your stories. Don't expect to win a contest. Don't expect to earn a Green E. Don't expect to earn a red H with every story. My advice is to participate in the Survivor contest and write in as many categories as possible. My advice is to stop writing stories for Kindle and/or Amazon. Write for yourself. Maybe one day, you'll write that novel that will be picked up by a real publishing house and you'll make some real money.
Whatever you decide. Good luck, but keep writing. It's your passion, your curse, and your disease (lol).
Freddie
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