The War On Christmas

Boota

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I've been hearing the phrase "War On Christmas" for a while now. It's a big subject for Fox News and a lot of neo-conservatives here in the U.S. trying to scare people to their side. But the tricky thing is this: There is no war on Christmas. No such thing exists.

I know. If there were I'd enlist.

John Gibson, the shyster used car salesman looking guy from Fox News, has a book out called "The War On Christmas", which likely explains the reason this is a "news" story. It's everywhere. You can't say "Merry Christmas" to anyone. You have to say "Happy Holidays" instead or you can be fired. You can't have nativity scenes on government property. Yada yada yada. Let's look at these three common statements individually. I bet you I can get to the bottom of them in a few seconds flat.

1. You can't say "Merry Christmas" to anyone.

Yes. You can. I was just wished a "Merry Christmas" at a store yesterday. End of story.

2. You have to say "Happy Holidays" instead or you can be fired.

Okay. Well, if anyone is being fired over this I'd be very surprised. Maybe they are getting fired for insubordination in refusing to adhere to the "Happy Holidays" Initiative. (Or HHI, from here on out.) From a practical standpoint, HHI makes perfect sense. As an owner of a business that deals with the public, isn't it much smarter not to potentially alienate a percentage of your customer base, no matter how small, through something as inoffensive as offering an inclusive "Happy Holidays" versus the exclusive "Merry Christmas"? For those who are still offended, let me translate for you directly. If you are a Christian, "Happy Holidays" means, literally, "Merry Christmas". It's just that simple. Don't get your panties in such a huge bunch over a word game. Granted, Christians aren't being acknowledged as the true masters of the United States by allowing people of other religions to be respected equally, but you know, that darned Constitution just keeps getting in the way.

3. You can't have nativity scenes on government property.

Well... good. I would prefer that our government buildings be used to, say... govern? Why should our government buildings become shrines to a religion. Any religion? If you allow one religion you are obligated to allow them all. Suddenly, our government buildings aren't places for the machinations of government to operate any longer. They are show places for religious people with agendas. There is a large faction of Christians who would love to have a nativity scene on the courthouse lawn, but would protest the presence of a menorah. Why give those people the ammo they need to start a holy war?

Personally, I can't wait until the Satanists feel the need to put up a display. If the Christians can post The Ten Commandments, then by all rights the Satanists should be allowed to post The Nine Satanic Statements and be regarded as equal in stature. That fight could be epic! Get the popcorn and fire up the VCR!

If there is a "War On Christmas", is it a war that can even be won? Do you really think that Christmas is going to disappear? I know a lot of people complain about the commercialization of Christmas, but that is the single biggest thing that will guarantee that Christmas will continue until the end of time. Money talks. Even if every religious thought was stricken from the minds of all Americans, the Almighty Dollar will still keep the spirit of Christmas alive and well.

God bless us, everyone.

Forever and ever, amen.

Cha-ching.
 
Boota said:
I've been hearing the phrase "War On Christmas" for a while now. It's a big subject for Fox News and a lot of neo-conservatives here in the U.S. trying to scare people to their side. But the tricky thing is this: There is no war on Christmas. No such thing exists.

I know. If there were I'd enlist.

John Gibson, the shyster used car salesman looking guy from Fox News, has a book out called "The War On Christmas", which likely explains the reason this is a "news" story. It's everywhere. You can't say "Merry Christmas" to anyone. You have to say "Happy Holidays" instead or you can be fired. You can't have nativity scenes on government property. Yada yada yada. Let's look at these three common statements individually. I bet you I can get to the bottom of them in a few seconds flat.

1. You can't say "Merry Christmas" to anyone.

Yes. You can. I was just wished a "Merry Christmas" at a store yesterday. End of story.

2. You have to say "Happy Holidays" instead or you can be fired.

Okay. Well, if anyone is being fired over this I'd be very surprised. Maybe they are getting fired for insubordination in refusing to adhere to the "Happy Holidays" Initiative. (Or HHI, from here on out.) From a practical standpoint, HHI makes perfect sense. As an owner of a business that deals with the public, isn't it much smarter not to potentially alienate a percentage of your customer base, no matter how small, through something as inoffensive as offering an inclusive "Happy Holidays" versus the exclusive "Merry Christmas"? For those who are still offended, let me translate for you directly. If you are a Christian, "Happy Holidays" means, literally, "Merry Christmas". It's just that simple. Don't get your panties in such a huge bunch over a word game. Granted, Christians aren't being acknowledged as the true masters of the United States by allowing people of other religions to be respected equally, but you know, that darned Constitution just keeps getting in the way.

3. You can't have nativity scenes on government property.

Well... good. I would prefer that our government buildings be used to, say... govern? Why should our government buildings become shrines to a religion. Any religion? If you allow one religion you are obligated to allow them all. Suddenly, our government buildings aren't places for the machinations of government to operate any longer. They are show places for religious people with agendas. There is a large faction of Christians who would love to have a nativity scene on the courthouse lawn, but would protest the presence of a menorah. Why give those people the ammo they need to start a holy war?

Personally, I can't wait until the Satanists feel the need to put up a display. If the Christians can post The Ten Commandments, then by all rights the Satanists should be allowed to post The Nine Satanic Statements and be regarded as equal in stature. That fight could be epic! Get the popcorn and fire up the VCR!

If there is a "War On Christmas", is it a war that can even be won? Do you really think that Christmas is going to disappear? I know a lot of people complain about the commercialization of Christmas, but that is the single biggest thing that will guarantee that Christmas will continue until the end of time. Money talks. Even if every religious thought was stricken from the minds of all Americans, the Almighty Dollar will still keep the spirit of Christmas alive and well.

God bless us, everyone.

Forever and ever, amen.

Cha-ching.
Merry Christmas there, big guy.

:cool:
 
*shrugs*

I've wished folks "Happy Holidays" for as long as I can remember. It just seemed respectful to do it that way if I didn't know what holiday(s) they observed. If someone finds that offensive, they can (a) ignore me, (b) inform me, or (c) fuck off. ;)

I certainly see no need to make an issue of it. Ignorance coupled with good intent is just not a cause for war.
 
lilredjammies said:
Cite


Joel Stein:


As a Jew, I don't care that much about Christmas. It's hard to celebrate someone's birth when you supposedly killed the guy. It would be like Arnold Schwarzenegger giving gifts for Tookie Day.

God I love Jews! I should really be one again.

Merry Christmas!
 
dr_mabeuse said:
God I love Jews! I should really be one again.

Merry Christmas!

Personally I'd rather pass through the eye of a needle.
 
I wonder how much of this is designed to stir up the Religious Right to give them a feeling of "Us vs Them"? The idea is lay in a siege mentality to strengthen their bonds to their political party.

Edited to Add : Horrors! Fox News has joined the other side.

http://www.foxnews.com/foxfan/front/0,3778,14,00.html

Several mentions of "Holiday" and not one of "Christmas".
 
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Boota said:
Get the popcorn and fire up the VCR!
That's so -95. Get a TiVo. Or wish yourself one for the Happy Hullaballoo, or whatever it is called these days.


Isn't Santa the real threat to Christmas?
 
impressive said:
If someone finds that offensive, they can (a) ignore me, (b) inform me, or (c) fuck off. ;)

I love your way with words.
So fucking sexy.

:devil:
 
lilredjammies said:
Last Thursday, a group called Jews Against Anti-Christian Defamation held a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington, where founding member Jackie Mason spoke out against the war on Christmas. He basically argued that if people can't say "Merry Christmas," then he won't be allowed to wish people an "Exceptional Purim." That one doesn't translate from Yiddish well.


I want to say Jackie Mason is on my super cool person list.

I assume very few people heard his interview on Fox about the subject. The best point I thought was that it was as offensive to call a christmas tree a holiday tree as to call a menorah a fancy candle.

The joking about when he was little he never thought it would take a bunch of jews to defend christmas was also one of the funiest things ever, course I can't come close to matching how well he said it :)

25 days to a Merry Christmas
~Alex
 
News Flash:

Christmas was not originally Christian. It was tied to the pagan observances of Saturnalia, Winter Solstice, and the birthday of Mithras (December 25). In fact, I very much doubt that Jesus was born on December 25. So, before you start trying to put "Christ back in Christmas", reflect on the fact that Constantine put him there in the first place. :rolleyes:
 
Liar said:
That's so -95. Get a TiVo. Or wish yourself one for the Happy Hullaballoo, or whatever it is called these days.


Isn't Santa the real threat to Christmas?
Happy Hullaballoo!
that will be my Solsice greeting this year. Liar, you are a genius!
 
SEVERUSMAX said:
News Flash:

Christmas was not originally Christian. It was tied to the pagan observances of Saturnalia, Winter Solstice, and the birthday of Mithras (December 25). In fact, I very much doubt that Jesus was born on December 25. So, before you start trying to put "Christ back in Christmas", reflect on the fact that Constantine put him there in the first place. :rolleyes:

All true, but that's the "beside the point" argument. :) Christians have already developed a persecution complex over someone not observing "their" holiday. I just want them to shut the fuck up about the war on Christmas and do their thing while leaving everyone else alone.
 
Boota said:
All true, but that's the "beside the point" argument. :) Christians have already developed a persecution complex over someone not observing "their" holiday. I just want them to shut the fuck up about the war on Christmas and do their thing while leaving everyone else alone.
i :heart: you.
 
I haven't read all the posts, but I will as soon as post this.

This morning taking my oldest to school they were discussing this very topic on the radio. Evidently an atheists' group in Chicago is protesting a tree recycling program that offers some kind of incentive for recycling your tree. Personally, I think the protest is stupid, but that isn't my point.
The dj followed up this conversation by saying "he's an atheist and doesn't have any morals. Why doesn't he just go steal a tree so he can get the reward?"

Frankly that disgusted me. And I honestly feel like shit like that is part of the reason there is a "war" on Christmas. If so called Christians weren't so busy assuming that everyone who believes something different is wrong and without morals, we wouldn't get so pissy about keeping Christianity out of everything.

End rant. Gonna go back and read this thread. (for the record, I'm neither an atheist or a Christian. I'm undecided)
 
Merry Christmas, Boota, and ¡Chinga tu madre! (joke, joke!)

peace in the new year too,

Perdita :)
 
SEVERUSMAX said:
News Flash:

Christmas was not originally Christian. It was tied to the pagan observances of Saturnalia, Winter Solstice, and the birthday of Mithras (December 25). In fact, I very much doubt that Jesus was born on December 25. So, before you start trying to put "Christ back in Christmas", reflect on the fact that Constantine put him there in the first place. :rolleyes:
Since I can't be bothereed to look it up... what date was the dude actually born? Is it known?
 
Liar said:
Since I can't be bothereed to look it up... what date was the dude actually born? Is it known?
Nobody actually knows, but they think it was some time during late spring.
 
entitled said:
Nobody actually knows, but they think it was some time during late spring.
Like Easter? That's gonna be confusing.
 
Liar said:
Since I can't be bothereed to look it up... what date was the dude actually born? Is it known?
I don't know the precise date but I recall he was born in March (perhaps even a few years B.C. :rolleyes: ). It was Constantine (the Great) who changed the birth date to December 25 in 314 A.D.

Perdita
 
perdita said:
I don't know the precise date but I recall he was born in March (perhaps even a few years B.C. :rolleyes: ). It was Constantine (the Great) who changed the birth date to December 25 in 314 A.D.

Perdita
Yep, it was B.C.

The whole B.C./A.D. thing has nothing to do with Christ, except in name.d
 
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