The Ultimate Taboo

[estragon]

I submitted a story having to do with a commercial laundry (wait a second, we'll get to the sex part). One worker has a thing for panties; he samples the goods coming through the plant and gets off on the flavor du jour. The owner of the undies he favors that day is under the age of 18 years. However, said owner is not less than 20 miles away from the scene at all times, and is completely unaware of the predilections of the worker; I said so both in the story and in the Notes when I submitted the story. I did, however, mention in the story that fluid from the owner's menstrual period was evident on the panties in question, as well as perspiration from the track meet in which she had participated when her period began. My story got rejected on the "underage taboo" category.

Now I understood from a sticky on the Editors' Forum that it is OK to mention a sexual event in the life of an underage person, provided there was no detail stated of the participation by that person in any sexual activity.

I also understand that there can't be a "bright line" test, because we writers are supposedly endlessly inventive and can game any system going.

But was I absolutely out of line? I resubmitted, trying to clean up my act without eviscerating my story, but is this a waste of time? Incidentally, I have been informed on highly reliable authority that girls do menstruate before reaching the age of 18 years, without the intervention of anyone else.

 

[fieryjen]

What the editors try to prevent having on the site is an underage character being a turn-on for a reader. This isn't limited to there being any actual sexual contact with the underage character.

"I lost my virginity when I was sixteen" is fairly clinical and by itself not really masturbation material. Being aroused by the underwear of an underage character, however, is, and it would appear that this is more than just a footnote in your story and therefore would be considered inappropriate by the editors.

For this reason, I honestly don't think you'll get this story on Lit without substantially reworking it and removing the part about the underage character. If you think this part is too important to the story to remove, you may have to find a different site to publish your story.

 

[sr71plt]

You purposely made the pantie's owner under 18--for no particular need for the story line. Therefore, you were purposely targeting the underage "getter offer." No sympathy here.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I submitted a story having to do with a commercial laundry (wait a second, we'll get to the sex part). One worker has a thing for panties; he samples the goods coming through the plant and gets off on the flavor du jour. The owner of the undies he favors that day is under the age of 18 years. However, said owner is not less than 20 miles away from the scene at all times, and is completely unaware of the predilections of the worker; I said so both in the story and in the Notes when I submitted the story. I did, however, mention in the story that fluid from the owner's menstrual period was evident on the panties in question, as well as perspiration from the track meet in which she had participated when her period began. My story got rejected on the "underage taboo" category.

Now I understood from a sticky on the Editors' Forum that it is OK to mention a sexual event in the life of an underage person, provided there was no detail stated of the participation by that person in any sexual activity.

I also understand that there can't be a "bright line" test, because we writers are supposedly endlessly inventive and can game any system going.

But was I absolutely out of line? I resubmitted, trying to clean up my act without eviscerating my story, but is this a waste of time? Incidentally, I have been informed on highly reliable authority that girls do menstruate before reaching the age of 18 years, without the intervention of anyone else.

How does he know the girl is under 18?

 

[PennLady]

Most women do menstruate before 18; I think 12-13 is about average. I have to say I'm confused too -- how does the worker know the panties' owner is under 18? And why is it so important she be under 18?

 

[estragon]

Thanks for the Information

Thanks for the information and the prompt responses. I'm going to throw the story away; I should have listened to a man I love to quote, Isaac Bashevis Singer: "The wastebasket is the writer's best friend."

 

[estragon]

Thanks for the Information

Thanks for the information and the prompt responses. I'm going to throw the story away; I should have listened to a man I love to quote, Isaac Bashevis Singer: "The wastebasket is the writer's best friend."

 

[Boxlicker101]

Most women do menstruate before 18; I think 12-13 is about average. I have to say I'm confused too -- how does the worker know the panties' owner is under 18? And why is it so important she be under 18?

The two strongest and most concrete taboos on Lit. are bestiality and persons under 18 being involved sexually. The latter is so even though 16 is the more common minimum age of consent. The panties of an underage girl, even her menstrual blood on the panties does seem to be stretching the taboo, but I also have to wonder why.

Perhaps the laundry worker saw the name and address on the bundle of soiled laundry and is aware the only people at that address are a man and his 17 year old daughter. If he gets turned on by the 17 yo girl's scent, and knows she is 17, that would be a violation of the age restriction.

However, if the panties belong to an anonymous female, how would anybody know her age?

 

[geronimo_appleby]

dem's da rools. *shrug*

 

[Stella_Omega]

There are two categories of beings that cannot be presented as object of sexual desire here on lit. Animals, because of course they cannot give consent.

And children who also cannot, in our society, give consent.

 

[Boxlicker101]

There are two categories of beings that cannot be presented as object of sexual desire here on lit. Animals, because of course they cannot give consent.

And children who also cannot, in our society, give consent.

Animals are okay, but they have to be mythical beasties, such as unicorns or mermaids, etc. I wonder if an elf child would be alright.

 

[lovecraft68]

The two strongest and most concrete taboos on Lit. are bestiality and persons under 18 being involved sexually. The latter is so even though 16 is the more common minimum age of consent. The panties of an underage girl, even her menstrual blood on the panties does seem to be stretching the taboo, but I also have to wonder why.

Perhaps the laundry worker saw the name and address on the bundle of soiled laundry and is aware the only people at that address are a man and his 17 year old daughter. If he gets turned on by the 17 yo girl's scent, and knows she is 17, that would be a violation of the age restriction.

However, if the panties belong to an anonymous female, how would anybody know her age?

Honestly the easiest way to get away with some ungerage sex is what I call the "math game" In several stories I start out stating somewhere early the girl is 18 (I got into the celica dad gave me for my 18th birthday last month) Okay she is 18 I then start telling my story inevitable I toss in a sex flashback-six minths ago I was with John and... her 18th was a month ago so 6 months she is 17. I did one where I got brave and said a year. Now I won't use hardcore "live action" secnes it's flashbacks where she is reacalling the sex in some detail. I think it gets by because of the math trick but also no where do I get stupid or bltant and keep hyping the age,
I don't have an issue with the outright under age sex rule (well I do but their site their rules) what I wll get pissed at is mentioning a character is 16 in a nin sexual situation and it gets booted to me that is just a little extreme people existed before their 18th brithday and in what i consider good incest stories-romantic over grope and go- that attraction had to start somewhere and it would have been when they were younger so I have occasionally tried to describe an event from their past 3 times to be exact 2 got tossed. I think the vetting system sees a number under 18 and that is it.
In Estragon's story I agree with SR that they were trying to get into the turn on factor of the under age, I think when I do my "math trick" some of the readers don't even pick up on it because I'm not going for turn on just a little reality.

 

[sr71plt]

I probably shouldn't mention this, but I think the easiest way to invoke youth in a character is to give them an acceptable age (backed up by where they are in life, e.g., college sophomore), but to describe them subtley as small of stature and young looking and/or acting. I don't think the actual age in years is the turn on. It's other factors. A character can be just as innocent/virginial/diminutive at 18 as he/she can be at 17 or younger. (And with that, I've probably posted too much of the secret formula.)

 

[scouries]

The master of "underage" sex on the site (all perfectly legal) is of course youbadboy one of LITEROTICA'S most popular authors.

20 year old college sophmores (who've just gone through puberty!) are magically transformed (in the reader's mind) into 14 to 16 year olds within paragraphs.

Read In Sara's Pants or My Little Cheerleader for examples of this style.

jrs esq.

 

[PennLady]

I probably shouldn't mention this, but I think the easiest way to invoke youth in a character is to give them an acceptable age (backed up by where they are in life, e.g., college sophomore), but to describe them subtley as small of stature and young looking and/or acting. I don't think the actual age in years is the turn on. It's other factors. A character can be just as innocent/virginial/diminutive at 18 as he/she can be at 17 or younger. (And with that, I've probably posted too much of the secret formula.)

I recall Piers Anthony doing something like this in his Incarnations of Immortality books. Possibly the last one (by which time he'd gone way down the sex-for-plot road). One character was a judge, who liked underage girls but reined his impulse in. A 17yo girl came into his court, or something, and he had a thing for her. She was taken to the "other plane" and when she came back, two years had passed on earth vs. two days or a week or whatever on her plane. So on earth she was 19 -- and legal -- but "really" she was still 17, so the judge could still...I dunno. Indulge his fantasy or whatever. Won't work for real-world stories, but there you go.

 

[lovecraft68]

I probably shouldn't mention this, but I think the easiest way to invoke youth in a character is to give them an acceptable age (backed up by where they are in life, e.g., college sophomore), but to describe them subtley as small of stature and young looking and/or acting. I don't think the actual age in years is the turn on. It's other factors. A character can be just as innocent/virginial/diminutive at 18 as he/she can be at 17 or younger. (And with that, I've probably posted too much of the secret formula.)

In an essay she wrote Tammy Trueheart also suggested using "immaturity" to get the reader to feel that the character is younger than you are letting on. In her story Forced to strip. The brother jerks off into a sock then tries to rub it on his sister (look I didn't write it) she makes the comment "are you trying to get me pregnant? she is supposedly 19 but that is the remark of a young girl. Another author whose name I don;t recall suggested using the term "budding breasts" I'm not sure on that as one to me it is obvious (makes me think 12-13) and also I have no desire for "little kid sex" I would be happy if I was allowed to do 16 in the stories but would never want to go younger. Honestly writers and readers who want to allude to as young as 13 or so make me nervous.

 

[sr71plt]

Won't work for real-world stories, but there you go.

Not that plot device, no. But the general concept works just fine, I've found. And without posting problems.

 

[estragon]

No point in trying to play any games (for me at least), the story wasn't worth it to begin with.

 

[siobhansmut]

Incidentally, I have been informed on highly reliable authority that girls do menstruate before reaching the age of 18 years, without the intervention of anyone else.

No, thats absurd!

 

[lovecraft68]

Damn!

When I saw this I thought Estragon had returned. Instead just another zombie thread someone dug up.

 

[StrangeLife]

I have this idea for a story about an under-age mermaid and her mutant cocker spaniel named "Cock"....


Naah, better not

 

[Swilly]

I have this idea for a story about an under-age mermaid and her mutant cocker spaniel named "Cock"....


Naah, better not

And the cat? What about the cat? We all know how cats love to eat fish.

 

[siobhansmut]

lolz..

 

[Hypoxia]

As long as the pets aren't underage, go for it.

 

[Stella_Omega]

As long as the pets aren't underage, go for it.

No, that's bestiality again.
But give the Cocker Spaniel wings and let it talk and you'll be okay.