The Traitor Sinema.

[jaF0]

Expel the bitch and run a special election to replace her. (Not sure how that would work out though.)

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Naive post. She is up for re-election in 2024. Arizonans will decide whether she stays or goes at that time.

 

[ll74]

Expel the bitch and run a special election to replace her. (Not sure how that would work out though.)

Arizonans could recall her, I'm sure. But they won't.

I'll be surprised if she wins reelection...maybe her an Tulsi are planning a run together in 2024.

 

[Lazaran]

Manchin and Sinema will both be doing a lot of STRANGE things over the next year and a half to remain palatable to their constituents.

Much like when people with little understanding of politics thought MANCHIN had totally abandoned Democrat when he blocked the large Build Back Better bill, some of us knew there was still a smaller deal being negotiated. And lo and behold. the Inflation Reduction Act appeared - which SINEMA ultimately voted for.

AND , in related news , that ^ little episode also allowed for the passage of CHIPS +.

A lot of STRANGE but effective moves were made by “centrist” Democrats.

Threading the needle in a narrowly divided electorate is difficult.

Democrats did that ^ pretty well in the run-up to the mid-terms considering the challenges facing the country, And Democrats are positioned pretty well for 2024 and beyond.

 

[butters]

i'm totally unsurprised about sinema... she knows who butters her bread and their interests don't vote democrat, and there are more registered independent voters in AZ than democrat.

what (i'm imagining) her move DOES do, is make her a vote to be courted by either side in the senate (especially republican) when it comes to passing bills... makes her remain relevant

and if i'm not mistaken, dem voters and dem members of both houses were pretty much done with her in the party... so she knew she'd get tossed one way or the other.

 

[SubzeroGirl]

What she did was a personal attack against you specifically. No Christmas present for her.

Why she didn’t consult you first is beyond me. A woman making her own decisions must keep you up at night.

 

[butters]

we need a yawn emoji in the 'like' list

 

[Lazaran]

i'm totally unsurprised about sinema... she knows who butters her bread and their interests don't vote democrat, and there are more registered independent voters in AZ than democrat.

what (i'm imagining) her move DOES do, is make her a vote to be courted by either side in the senate (especially republican) when it comes to passing bills... makes her remain relevant

and if i'm not mistaken, dem voters and dem members of both houses were pretty much done with her in the party... so she knew she'd get tossed one way or the other.

I’m a lifelong Democrat, and I am perfectly fine with having Manchin and Sinema as Senators in their respective states.

As opposed to the likely Republican alternative.

I also don’t mind having the “corporate voice” represented in the Democratic Party.

Like it or not, business interests are important, and deserve to have a voice in the Democratic Party.

The “Big Tent” means exactly that ^.

*nods*

 

[YDB95]

Expel the bitch and run a special election to replace her. (Not sure how that would work out though.)

If she resigned or was expelled, the governor (a Republican until January, a Democrat afterward) will be able to name a successor. Not that I expect that to happen.
I'm hoping Biden will appoint her to some executive role where she can't do too much damage, then we can get a real Democrat in there for a change.

 

[butters]

I’m a lifelong Democrat, and I am perfectly fine with having Manchin and Sinema as Senators in their respective states.

As opposed to the likely Republican alternative.

I also don’t mind having the “corporate voice” represented in the Democratic Party.

Like it or not, business interests are important, and deserve to have a voice in the Democratic Party.

The “Big Tent” means exactly that ^.

*nods*

i appreciate your p.o.v.

If she resigned or was expelled, the governor (a Republican until January, a Democrat afterward) will be able to name a successor. Not that I expect that to happen.
I'm hoping Biden will appoint her to some executive role where she can't do too much damage, then we can get a real Democrat in there for a change.

so she has to remain a dem until January or is she still a democrat till '24?

 

[YDB95]

so she has to remain a dem until January or is she still a democrat till '24?

Neither. That's not what I said.
What I said was if she were to leave the Senate before January, the Republican governor would appoint her replacement; and if she leaves after January, the new Democratic governor will do so. But there's no indication that Sinema plans to quit the Senate, much as some of us would like her to.

 

[butters]

Neither. That's not what I said.
What I said was if she were to leave the Senate before January, the Republican governor would appoint her replacement; and if she leaves after January, the new Democratic governor will do so. But there's no indication that Sinema plans to quit the Senate, much as some of us would like her to.

so this is what i was trying to clarify... when does her affiliation as an independent begin and, if she has the option to begin now would that automatically expel her from the senate or could she continue as a senator but as an indie?

 

[KeithD]

so this is what i was trying to clarify... when does her affiliation as an independent begin and, if she has the option to begin now would that automatically expel her from the senate or could she continue as a senator but as an indie?

She can continue serving as an independent until her term is up. If she caucuses with one of the parties, she'll get whatever party slots they give her on committees in the new Congress, starting in January. If she doesn't, she won't get committee seats. Like is done with Sanders, she'll likely caucus with the Democrats and get appropriate committee assignments, because they want her to vote with them

 

[ll74]

I’m a lifelong Democrat, and I am perfectly fine with having Manchin and Sinema as Senators in their respective states.

As opposed to the likely Republican alternative.

I also don’t mind having the “corporate voice” represented in the Democratic Party.

Like it or not, business interests are important, and deserve to have a voice in the Democratic Party.

The “Big Tent” means exactly that ^.

*nods*

I too understand that Senators are voted for by the states they re present

 

[Kindfarmer]

Manchin and Sinema will both be doing a lot of STRANGE things over the next year and a half to remain palatable to their constituents.

Much like when people with little understanding of politics thought MANCHIN had totally abandoned Democrat when he blocked the large Build Back Better bill, some of us knew there was still a smaller deal being negotiated. And lo and behold. the Inflation Reduction Act appeared - which SINEMA ultimately voted for.

AND , in related news , that ^ little episode also allowed for the passage of CHIPS +.

A lot of STRANGE but effective moves were made by “centrist” Democrats.

Threading the needle in a narrowly divided electorate is difficult.

Democrats did that ^ pretty well in the run-up to the mid-terms considering the challenges facing the country, And Democrats are positioned pretty well for 2024 and beyond.

Corporate oligarchy is almost as fuck as despotism. That's are two major party sources. #VoteGreen

 

[Kindfarmer]

She can continue serving as an independent until her term is up. If she caucuses with one of the parties, she'll get whatever party slots they give her on committees in the new Congress, starting in January. If she doesn't, she won't get committee seats. Like is done with Sanders, she'll likely caucus with the Democrats and get appropriate committee assignments, because they want her to vote with them

The Democrats are so fucking lame at the actual business of politic. All they would've had it done as remove both her and Joe the chin from committee assignments and I guarantee you they would've fallen in line with the party vote

 

[KeithD]

Invite you to review what citizen-affirming legislation has passed in the Congress and signed in the last two years compared to the four years before that.

We both know the answer to that, of course. It's not theory or opinion. It's a matter of record. And it's your responsibility to check it out before going directly to lying as you have.

 

[Kindfarmer]

Invite you to review what citizen-affirming legislation has passed in the Congress and signed in the last two years compared to the four years before that.

We both know the answer to that, of course.

As if that is a legitimate argument? Better than an ongoing criminal enterprise makes for quality government? Fucking Democrats

 

[Kindfarmer]

If she resigned or was expelled, the governor (a Republican until January, a Democrat afterward) will be able to name a successor. Not that I expect that to happen.
I'm hoping Biden will appoint her to some executive role where she can't do too much damage, then we can get a real Democrat in there for a change.

Another corporate fellator is just what we need!

 

[Kindfarmer]

Invite you to review what citizen-affirming legislation has passed in the Congress and signed in the last two years compared to the four years before that.

We both know the answer to that, of course.

Insulting tokens are hardly citizen affirming.

 

[Kindfarmer]

I’m a lifelong Democrat, and I am perfectly fine with having Manchin and Sinema as Senators in their respective states.

As opposed to the likely Republican alternative.

I also don’t mind having the “corporate voice” represented in the Democratic Party.

Like it or not, business interests are important, and deserve to have a voice in the Democratic Party.

The “Big Tent” means exactly that ^.

*nods*

That is either an example of ridiculous amounts of ignorance or blatant pro-Democrat agitprop blovation. They don't "have a voice in the Democratic Party"

They author the platform, present the policy legislation to the Democratic members of Congress to be submitted as bills. Jesus. I really don't think you're that stupid. I think you're that disingenuous.

 

[butters]

She can continue serving as an independent until her term is up. If she caucuses with one of the parties, she'll get whatever party slots they give her on committees in the new Congress, starting in January. If she doesn't, she won't get committee seats. Like is done with Sanders, she'll likely caucus with the Democrats and get appropriate committee assignments, because they want her to vote with them

thankyou, K, for this reply. I could have spent time looking it up but i'm a tad busy with other things so thought someone with the knowledge might be kind enough to explain the way it worked.

do you see it affecting the strength of the dem vote in the senate, lessening the 2-vote advantage won in the midterms?

 

[Kindfarmer]

thankyou, K, for this reply. I could have spent time looking it up but i'm a tad busy with other things so thought someone with the knowledge might be kind enough to explain the way it worked.

do you see it affecting the strength of the dem vote in the senate, lessening the 2-vote advantage won in the midterms?

How could it? She never voted with them on the bill concerning the correct issues. Not passing insulting tokens really hurts the Dems. It motivates the base!

 

[KeithD]

thankyou, K, for this reply. I could have spent time looking it up but i'm a tad busy with other things so thought someone with the knowledge might be kind enough to explain the way it worked.

do you see it affecting the strength of the dem vote in the senate, lessening the 2-vote advantage won in the midterms?

I think she'll continue doing what she's been doing, which isn't all that cooperative with the Democrats if she sees that something else benefits her. This whole move is to benefit her. She lost her base support in Arizona and calculates that she couldn't win a Democratic primary there in the next election (which includes election of her seat), so she declares to run as an independent, with the calculation that it would be believed she would shut the Democrats out in a three-way vote and therefore they have to support her without having a primary at all. Political blackmail.

She's declared bisexual, so she can hardly expect anything from the Republicans by formally going over to them as long as they are the party of Trumpers and other despicables (which she could do, if she wanted to). If both she and Manchin switched to Republican tomorrow, the Republicans would take the Senate in the next and the rest of this Congress. You can bet they are sending--and have been sending--flowers and chocolates to both of them.

 

[Kindfarmer]

What she did was a personal attack against you specifically. No Christmas present for her.

Why she didn’t consult you first is beyond me. A woman making her own decisions must keep you up at night.

How in the fuck did you take that from those statements? Not sad or insinuating. Lame AF