The Threat Of A Red Britain

[Rightguide]

Nor does any freedom-loving, sentient being.

That one went about six clicks over his head.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

Well BD, it's somewhat refreshing to know that you're as fucked up as we are - somewhat. I suppose that that falls into the category of misery loves company.

It seems to be the nature of political parties to at some point in time to begin to exist solely for their own power and perks. Totally forgetting the people that elected them.

Trump was a game changer for us. He's not a politician and it certainly shows. The repubilcan's are as flummoxed by him as the democrats. For better or worse at least we do have regularly scheduled elections.

When did the 2/3rds rule get enacted over there and which party was in power when it did so? Obviously I haven't kept up with the nuances of your election system.

I don’t know if I’d say it was “for their own power and perks” in a corrupt way, it’s more like mixture of arrogant and incompetent “we know better than you” and “we can ignore you” and pursue our own agenda irregardless of what you voted for.

Cameron disrupted the normal political process to gain a political advantage with no fucking idea what to do if he lost and after 3 years, we still have no idea and no political clout to carry it out. It’s not that our democracy doesn’t work it’s that our democracy was subverted for this wild gamble which has landed us where we are and now others are exploiting the chaos for their own ends adding to the difficulty.

We have regular 5-year election cycles. The fixed term act was brought in somewhere around 2011, I believe

But this is fucked up as well; Cameron, with his gamble, had a working majority, which May sort to increase (attempting to add to her own power) and fucked that up and ended up with a minority government requiring the shoring up of another party (DUP). So, we’re now only 2 years into the current election cycle with 3 more years to go and they don’t have the clout to push this thing through!


Now Boris needs a 2/3 vote to break this cycle and attempt to gain a working majority which tonight they refused to give him! But it gets even funnier or perhaps more tragic, nearly every fucking day for the last 2 years Corbyn has been demanding an election, now he has the opportunity he refuses to vote for it, blocking exit in October and perpetuating this fucking mess.

There are other options open, but these are neither straight forward or easy to achieve. Watch this space in the following days.

Misery indeed.

Woof!

 

[bellisarius]

I was aware that the election cycle was 5 years. But I was under the impression that the ruling party could call for early elections or in the case of a "no-cofidence" vote.

If the no-confidence trigger is still there couldn't Boris force a no-confidence vote?

I don’t know if I’d say it was “for their own power and perks” in a corrupt way, it’s more like mixture of arrogant and incompetent “we know better than you” and “we can ignore you” and pursue our own agenda irregardless of what you voted for.

I would. When those that have been in congress for at least 10 years (senate or the house) leave with net worth's orders of magnitude greater than when they arrives you know damn well something's rotten in Denmark. The irony is that the "progressives" seem to be better at lining their own pockets than the conservatives.

 

[dolf]

Boris isn't basically trump though. They just use that as an insult because trump is so disliked and ridiculed here. The similarities are pretty superficial.

 

[Sean]

Exactly, it's a battle between the nowheres and the somewheres, the high-flying 'liberal' urban globalist elite verses everyone else. They've been selling off our country and our culture one piece at a time because it's no longer theirs and therefore they have no qualms about throwing it into the furnace of globalism for political capital.

They don't live and work in local communities like the rest of us, they jet around europe calling a series of empty penthouses 'home'. Meanwhile the rest of us have to suffer the very real ramifications of their utopianist fantasies that everyone should be like them. Misery loves company.

Well we're throwing a wrench into the EU fascists carefully laid plans and if they think we're going away they have another thing coming. Come what may we will have our country back, at the end of a ballot paper or the end of a gun.

Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;
Or close the wall up with our English dead.
Follow your spirit, and upon this charge
Cry 'God for Harry, England, and Saint George!'

Urban global elites like public school and Oxbridge educated hedge fund managers and stockbrokers that have been professional politicians for decades?

https://www.platinumpublishing.co.uk/uploads/magazines/platinum-business/rees-mogg_topHat.jpg

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[Biggs_Darklighter]

Urban global elites like public school and Oxbridge educated hedge fund managers and stockbrokers that have been professional politicians for decades?

https://www.platinumpublishing.co.uk/uploads/magazines/platinum-business/rees-mogg_topHat.jpg

I dig the hat.

 

[magicalmoments]

Well then maybe they become their own country. The world could use another self-governing people.

And... It would be another island trump could bid for! He's already got some property there.

 

[SpeareChucker]

The EU 'backstop' is an attempt by Ireland to take over Northern Ireland. If they succeed the violence will be far worse than 'The Troubles'.

It's only a matter of time.

BRING IT ON!

 

[JohnnySavage]

I saw on the news that the chunky guy with the funny hair called another guy a woman's blouse. I didn't understand the insult, but chortled nevertheless.

 

[ericrodman101]

I saw on the news that the chunky guy with the funny hair called another guy a woman's blouse. I didn't understand the insult, but chortled nevertheless.

Big girl's blouse - effeminate or weak - I think it's a football (soccer) term.

 

[BigTopBedlam]

Urban global elites like public school and Oxbridge educated hedge fund managers and stockbrokers that have been professional politicians for decades?

I was wondering which inconsiderate arsehole had stretched the screen.

I'm not going to mount a defense of the bullingdon club but doing so is not a prerequisite in arguing against globalism. Clearly.

I'm not a natural Tory voter, I used to be red through and through because they were the party of the working class. Labour became fully inducted into the identity politics cult and abandoned us at about the same time that I realised that communism is the natural enemy of the working class in any case.

Today the only true party of the working class is UKIP, but I'll vote for Boris or Brexit party in a pinch. Enemy of my enemy and so forth.

 

[BigTopBedlam]

Incidentally, this is an excellent summary of the current situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWTYfkeQF-0

And a longer form interview with the same guy, well worth a watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEI0as5tkmQ

 

[bellisarius]

Why the UK choose to leave.

 

[Sean]

Why the UK choose to leave.

A privately educated ex-stockbroker who's been suckling at the public teat for twenty years while fiddling his expenses and having his house paid for by a billionaire ranting about "the elites" is just hilarious.

 

[tallladiesman]

Hysterical? You don't understand Northern Ireland.

The Unionist paramilitaries have never been short of weapons or targets. They hate the Irish government and Sinn Finn. They don't care about collateral damage - they will just attack anything and anyone not Unionist.

As for what they are fighting for? Their survival?

If the Irish Authorities come down like 'a ton of bricks' they will just be more targets as will the Irish state itself.

The IRA targeted Westminster MPs. Are rhe TDs as prepared?

The Good Friday agreement depends on the Unionist paramilitaries supporting it as well.

ROFLMAO

I don't understand Northern Ireland!!
Born in county Antrim in 1969
I have lived my whole life with the threat of random loyalist violence hanging over me.
The thing about loyalists is they have never faced state violence. They have been funded and aided for 50 years by the British state. Some of them may well wish to take up violence but when they find that the authorities actually arrest them and throw them in prison they may soon find it's not as much fun as when the British were covering for them.
As for there survival, what's the point of being loyal to a country that doesn't want you and has made that clear repeatedly. They may be slow learners but they will cop on eventually.
Much better to have some influence in a modern pluralist European country than spending 30 to 40 years toying in a jail.
If it's jail they choose so be it. Irish history is littered with failed rebellions, there's will just be another.
So back to my central point, stop coming off with hysterical threats about things you don't understand. I object to people threatening me and my family with violence, have done all my life and won't be taking it from you

 

[DeYaKen]

I was aware that the election cycle was 5 years. But I was under the impression that the ruling party could call for early elections or in the case of a "no-cofidence" vote.

If the no-confidence trigger is still there couldn't Boris force a no-confidence vote?

David Cameron ended all of that when he introduced fixed term parliaments. Post Cameron, it now needs a two thirds majority to call an early election. Boris could actually table a motion of no confidence in his own government.

What is happening now is that MPs are trying to punish Boris for trying to limit their ability to resist him by suspending parliament for the five weeks leading up to Brexit date. If the delay an election until Parliament is suspended his own actions will have caused him to lose the chance of an election before Brexit date.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

David Cameron ended all of that when he introduced fixed term parliaments. Post Cameron, it now needs a two thirds majority to call an early election. Boris could actually table a motion of no confidence in his own government.

What is happening now is that MPs are trying to punish Boris for trying to limit their ability to resist him by suspending parliament for the five weeks leading up to Brexit date. If the delay an election until Parliament is suspended his own actions will have caused him to lose the chance of an election before Brexit date.

I think punishing, or attempting to punish, Boris is a welcome secondary by-product.

What we’ve seen over the last 3 years is Parliament frustrate every attempt to leave and some, like Jo Swinson et al, outright say that they won’t countenance leaving even if a second referendum confirmed the first. Quite staggering arrogance and contempt.

We’ve had 3 years of May’s timid attempts to negotiate an exit and they voted each option and amendment down. I think Boris recognises the only way through is to force the issue and they’re resisting this with every sinew, both inside the conservative party and the other parties.

The reality is the 31st of October deadline isn’t really a deadline at all and almost certainly is extendable, which I strongly suspect it will be.

What is happening now and over the past month or so is Boris running an election campaign (cash giveaways etc) and a pantomime in which he hopes to show the public that their will can only be carried out if they give him the power to do so in an election. With a minority government (or a slim majority) I don’t see any way it can work.

The only questions remaining are how can he get that election? And will the country give him a working majority?

As you say he could yet table a motion of no confidence in his own government!!! It would then be beyond farce to have the prospect of Corbyn et al voting in confidence of the government to block leaving for another period. You can’t make this shit up!!!

Woof!

 

[LesDesirable]

I think that just for fun, President Trump should offer GB full unrestricted trade, military cooperation, like 5 new destroyers and 50 F-35s, open travel, a new airport, and maybe in return just ask for about 200 acres for a new Trump golf resort.

 

[jaF0]

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson has lost his game of Brexit "chicken" with U.K. opposition parties and the European Union, according to Niall Ferguson, a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University.

His comments come at a time of heightened political uncertainty in the U.K., with the new prime minister under immense pressure to deliver Brexit with 55 days to go before the country is scheduled to leave the European Union.

When asked whether Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings, the adviser behind the prime minister's high-stakes Brexit strategy, had overplayed their hand, Ferguson replied: "I think that they played a game of 'chicken,' not only with the Europeans but with their opponents in parliament and they lost."

"It is as simple as that."

Speaking to CNBC's Steve Sedgwick at the Ambrosetti Forum in Italy on Friday, Ferguson said of Johnson: "I don't think that there is any way out for him that I can see other than to resign because currently he is a hostage."

"He is under house arrest in number 10 Downing Street with power having entirely shifted to the House of Commons."

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/06/bre...way-out-is-to-resign-niall-ferguson-says.html