The Soft Side Of D/s

BiBunny

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I feel like a bit of a hypocrite for posting this, since I'm one of those people who hates the over-romanticism of D/s (or M/s, whichever you prefer). But I've been having these thoughts the last few days and thought it might make for an interesting discussion, since I seem to have insomnia again tonight.

Though I jokingly call myself an attention whore, I'm not the whiny, needy type who's in constant need of attention. A smile and a small touch of the hand from the right person is enough to sate my need for attention for days. I'm super low-maintenance. :p

Last night, my special someone and I were talking about torture and my unusual need for attention of late. (I almost started another thread on that particular subject, but I didn't figure the board needed yet another thread about torture, and I was too lazy to bump one of the older ones up to the top.) He talked about this little fantasy scenario of his in which he keeps me tied up for 36 hours in various positions wearing a blindfold or bondage hood, a gag, and a set of earplugs to significantly reduce the number of things I could sense from the outside world. (I promise I'm going somewhere with this.) He said I'd have no kind of pleasure whatsoever, no stimuli but pain. I said that I was so needy for attention for some reason lately that I would undergo anything just to be touched, even if it was a painful, rather than pleasurable, experience. He did promise me some pleasurable attention after the ordeal was over, but asked, "Would you really take 36 hours of torture for just an hour of petting?" To which I rather shame-facedly replied, "Yes."

Now, the point's pretty much a moot one because there's no way he's going to leave me bound and tortured that long, since it'd pose some significant problems to my health. However, it got me to thinking, and I described a long scenario I was playing out in my head, the high points in which he untied my poor, bruised body after the 36 hours were up, bathed me and washed my hair, dried me with a thick fluffy towel, laid me across the bed and massaged my aching body, fed me morsels of yummy food (dark chocolate being the number one feature here), and generally just held me close and kissed me until I fell asleep (maybe with some light bondage and a blindfold being thrown in, and some lovemaking if I had the energy, for good measure). He liked this idea, but told me it was rather out of character for me, being a hardcore bitch and all. :p I blamed it on the fact that I can't find a job and am kind of stressing that I've been to three interviews in the past week and a half and haven't had a single callback yet. I need someone to reassure me that it's going to be ok, and I won't be thrown into debtor's prison.

After that lengthy story, I'm finally getting to the point of my post. While the scenario I described up there probably falls under aftercare, I think both of us could do that scene alone without the lengthy torture session preceding it, so whether or not it's an aftercare thing depends solely on context rather than content. We often discuss the hard side, so let's turn it around for a minute. For those of you who are like me, unimpressed with the "Oh-My-Master-You're-So-Wonderful-Oh-My-Pet-I-Will-Protect-You-Forever" school of D/s or M/s often seen in newbies and onliners-only, how often do you like to play on the soft side? What motivates you to play soft? What kinds of things do you like to do when you take a break from the hardcore? If cuddling is considered standard soft, mushy play, is massage considered edgy soft play?

Ok, I was being facetious with that last one, but I'd love to hear what you think. *Holds insulin shot at the ready because I'm betting there'll be lots of sweetness in this thread* :)
 
Bunny that's an amazing and somewhat massive post. I think I understand the sentiment you're intending to convey. I don't have a huge amount to add . Versions of 'pleasurable attention' that I appreciate would list simply as waking up spooning, being read to until I fall asleep and having my hair brushed very carefully. All the above just a natural evolution , not sure it meets with your criteria of play however.

Very interesting thread topic :rose:
 
@}-}rebecca---- said:
Bunny that's an amazing and somewhat massive post. I think I understand the sentiment you're intending to convey. I don't have a huge amount to add . Versions of 'pleasurable attention' that I appreciate would list simply as waking up spooning, being read to until I fall asleep and having my hair brushed very carefully. All the above just a natural evolution , not sure it meets with your criteria of play however.

Very interesting thread topic :rose:

Thank you, rebecca. Sorry about the massive part, though. I love having my hair brushed as well. If I didn't make any sense with my post, I apologize. I seem to be going through a stream-of-consciousness stage lately that only makes sense to me. Your examples are wonderful, and though I said "play" in my post, the things in this thread don't have to be. (Blame the insomnia for my lack of coherence.) :rose:
 
Halelujah!

I was beginning to think my D/s relationship was somewhat skewed... (though I don't have enough experience to be sure)

It's nice to hear & see that others appreciate the gentler side of things. I actually have a Gentle Master... if that makes any sense at all. He never calls me slut, whore or bitch and in the middle play, when I feel as though I cannot take anymore, He leans close to my ear and whispers softly: "It's okay, my lady, I'm here. You can do this."... and I feel like I can move mountains... :rolleyes: perhaps it's just his hypnotic voice or something... It goes without saying that the after care is sometimes more amazing than actual play...

Thank you for this thread, BiBunny!
 
BiBunny said:
.... For those of you who are like me, unimpressed with the "Oh-My-Master-You're-So-Wonderful-Oh-My-Pet-I-Will-Protect-You-Forever" school of D/s or M/s often seen in newbies and onliners-only, how often do you like to play on the soft side?

We tend to play both sides interchangeably, and often at the same time....at the same time has a sweetness and torture all of it's own. Everyday for us includes lots of spoken love words, lots of touching without thinking, caressing of each other while watching TV or whatever, and kissing.......but it also includes pain, the usual being how he will walk in from work, take me in his arms for a deep passionate kiss and grab my nipples between thumb and fingertip while kissing and squeeze so hard they remain flattened for at least 10 minutes...or he might move from the kiss to an unexpected hard bite somewhere, or pinching, slapping...and then there is the more hard, concentrated stuff when time and privacy permit which can or may not be intermingled with softness.

BiBunny said:
What motivates you to play soft?

Just another way of expresing our love for each other, a variation, some light and shade. And of course, him being such a romantic these days, it would be like cutting off our air to not have that softer side working alongside the hardcore.


BiBunny said:
What kinds of things do you like to do when you take a break from the hardcore? If cuddling is considered standard soft, mushy play, is massage considered edgy soft play?

Not sure I would call massage edge play, but he sure has. Before we met, he warned me he did not like being touched overly much and under no circumstances did he like receiving a masssage. LOL, well that changed and he even orders me to massage him now, so yes, once it was a limit and edgy for him, but now is pure pleasure. He will return the favour at times. As to what we do.....all the above.

OT....Hope you find a job soon, and try Melatonin for the insomnia...lol, you can even legitimately include a blindfold (OK, sleepmask) into that as it enhances the outcome!! :p

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1358/640559876_26214212ac_t.jpg Catalina
 
BiBunny said:
/snip/ For those of you who are like me, unimpressed with the "Oh-My-Master-You're-So-Wonderful-Oh-My-Pet-I-Will-Protect-You-Forever" school of D/s or M/s often seen in newbies and onliners-only, how often do you like to play on the soft side? What motivates you to play soft? What kinds of things do you like to do when you take a break from the hardcore? If cuddling is considered standard soft, mushy play, is massage considered edgy soft play? /snip/

I've beenin my present relationship, which is my first D/s relationship, for 2 years now. It's a LDR but I would not call it a on-liner. I guess I'm a newbie compared to many of you but I hope I never think that my Dom is not wonderful and I expect him to protect and love me forever. I've been married to my husband for over 20 yrs and I still think he is wonderful! Not perfect, but still wonderful. Same with my Dom, he's not perfect or a god but he is the Dom I need and want and love. He is a mixture of demanding, stern and firm with very loving, compassionate and soft. When we do meet in real life it is usually just for 2 days at a time. The 48 hours always has a mix, though I would say that the majority of the softness would fall under aftercare.

For me personally I could never be in a relationship that didn't have plently of holding, kissing and loving too.
 
Personally speaking (and contrary to an impression that may have been left with a previous thread that I started) I'd rather not be a sadist when with my pyl; soft and gentle has its rewards as well.
 
BiBunny said:
I feel like a bit of a hypocrite for posting this, since I'm one of those people who hates the over-romanticism of D/s (or M/s, whichever you prefer). But I've been having these thoughts the last few days and thought it might make for an interesting discussion, since I seem to have insomnia again tonight.
Just to be sure we're on the same page here, I'll note that to me the term "romanticized" implies an absence of realism, or idealistic portrayal of a situation or relationship.

The notion of an always nurturing, never domineering, forever wise and infallible Dom paired with a perfectly pleasing, starry-eyed sub whom he leads through life by her vulnerable lil hand is a romanticized view of one flavor of D/s.

But the notion of a constantly hard-ass, unwaveringly hardcore Dom paired with a perpetually self-denying sub & perfect pain slut is a romanticized view as well.

Neither is realistic if we're talking about actual human beings, as opposed to characters plucked from the pages of fiction or porn.



BiBunny said:
We often discuss the hard side, so let's turn it around for a minute. For those of you who are like me, unimpressed with the "Oh-My-Master-You're-So-Wonderful-Oh-My-Pet-I-Will-Protect-You-Forever" school of D/s or M/s often seen in newbies and onliners-only, how often do you like to play on the soft side? What motivates you to play soft? What kinds of things do you like to do when you take a break from the hardcore? If cuddling is considered standard soft, mushy play, is massage considered edgy soft play?

Ok, I was being facetious with that last one, but I'd love to hear what you think. *Holds insulin shot at the ready because I'm betting there'll be lots of sweetness in this thread* :)
The way I express myself depends on my mood, but overall I would say that I'm frequently affectionate (in word and behavior) and often in the mood for intimacy that would best be described as tender.
 
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ecstaticsub said:
I've beenin my present relationship, which is my first D/s relationship, for 2 years now. It's a LDR but I would not call it a on-liner. I guess I'm a newbie compared to many of you but I hope I never think that my Dom is not wonderful and I expect him to protect and love me forever.


:rose: I think what BB was referring to are the people who post here from time to time who fall into that category in terms that they stereotype all the material they read online and see in porn and try to make us believe that their PYL is so wonderful so as to never make a mistake, never piss them off, never do anything considered by cyber Doms as unDomly, basically don't even need to bath because they are such prefections they don't even have body odour....and pyls who play the totally helpless, gullible, 'I believe everything s/he says and would never ever have difficulty following any order because s/he is my hero, he can protect me against anything and everything, even violent attack, bombs, etc., because s/he is superDom/me, and I live only to serve. While good fodder for writing wank material, it is not a realistic view of any relationship, D/s or otherwise. As you say, your husband and Dom both are wonderful, but not perfect....that is reality, harsh as it is for some to face and acknowledge.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1249/771119044_9f59753340_t.jpg Catalina
 
At this point, I am still an online only person <sigh> so I can only come from that perspective. I think I would be high maintenance at first due to my inexperience and I assume the sub frenzy that would occur. Since I think I prefer a Daddy/girl dynamic (for my own reasons) at this time I would need it soft because of that. But one of the reasons I came to lit was because this is what I get most of the time at home so I know I need it hard too. I don't think I romanticize things completely though. I know we are all humans and fallible. When I have related to online Doms there were times when I needed to be "worshipful" but I knew that was a particular need at a particular time. There were other times when them being harsh was what was needed.

Gods, what the hell is my point <mockingly asks self>? My point is that for a newbie I think I would need a soft edge to introduce me to things working my way up to a hard edge with some soft aftercare. Does that make sense?

And I know you said you were joking with your massage point but I did massage professionally for several years. I would love to be ordered to use this skill I have developed to please a Dom. I think I could also top someone with this skill though because as much as I know how to relax someone, I also know how to make them feel pain. :devil: It just depends on how that skill is honed by my Dom.

Ivy :rose:
 
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GentleSub_Ivy said:
Gods, what the hell is my point <mockingly asks self>? My point is that for a newbie I think I would need a soft edge to introduce me to things working my way up to a hard edge with some soft aftercare. Does that make sense?

This makes PERFECT sense to me. In my relationship, thankfully, there is a time/place for both and perhaps we're a bit "odd" because we work with both dynamics of Daddy/little girl and Master/slave. (i couldn't explain it if i tried other than to say it works extremely well for us and makes us both relaxed and comfortable.) i need both...and a lot of my fantasies/favorites involve doing "extreme" things and then being held afterward and told i am a "good girl" and that my Daddy/Master is proud of me. And truthfully, i am the type of person that all i need to hear is "Daddy loves you, little one," and anything is possible in terms of physical acts because those 5 words provide the safety that i need.
 
HottieMama said:
This makes PERFECT sense to me. In my relationship, thankfully, there is a time/place for both and perhaps we're a bit "odd" because we work with both dynamics of Daddy/little girl and Master/slave. (i couldn't explain it if i tried other than to say it works extremely well for us and makes us both relaxed and comfortable.) i need both...and a lot of my fantasies/favorites involve doing "extreme" things and then being held afterward and told i am a "good girl" and that my Daddy/Master is proud of me. And truthfully, i am the type of person that all i need to hear is "Daddy loves you, little one," and anything is possible in terms of physical acts because those 5 words provide the safety that i need.

Not as odd as you might think. I'm in the same type of relationship with my husband, He is my Daddy/Master and I am His pet/slave. I too need both, and it really makes feel on top of the world to hear the words "good girl" from Daddy. So I know exactly what you mean. :)

We have those soft tender moments where Daddy just wants me to sit in His lap and cuddle with Him. Those are the times that I feel the safest, because I'm in His arms.

OK Bunny better use that insulin now. ;)
 
BiBunny said:
I feel like a bit of a hypocrite for posting this, since I'm one of those people who hates the over-romanticism of D/s (or M/s, whichever you prefer). But I've been having these thoughts the last few days and thought it might make for an interesting discussion, since I seem to have insomnia again tonight.

Though I jokingly call myself an attention whore, I'm not the whiny, needy type who's in constant need of attention. A smile and a small touch of the hand from the right person is enough to sate my need for attention for days. I'm super low-maintenance. :p

Last night, my special someone and I were talking about torture and my unusual need for attention of late. (I almost started another thread on that particular subject, but I didn't figure the board needed yet another thread about torture, and I was too lazy to bump one of the older ones up to the top.) He talked about this little fantasy scenario of his in which he keeps me tied up for 36 hours in various positions wearing a blindfold or bondage hood, a gag, and a set of earplugs to significantly reduce the number of things I could sense from the outside world. (I promise I'm going somewhere with this.) He said I'd have no kind of pleasure whatsoever, no stimuli but pain. I said that I was so needy for attention for some reason lately that I would undergo anything just to be touched, even if it was a painful, rather than pleasurable, experience. He did promise me some pleasurable attention after the ordeal was over, but asked, "Would you really take 36 hours of torture for just an hour of petting?" To which I rather shame-facedly replied, "Yes."

Now, the point's pretty much a moot one because there's no way he's going to leave me bound and tortured that long, since it'd pose some significant problems to my health. However, it got me to thinking, and I described a long scenario I was playing out in my head, the high points in which he untied my poor, bruised body after the 36 hours were up, bathed me and washed my hair, dried me with a thick fluffy towel, laid me across the bed and massaged my aching body, fed me morsels of yummy food (dark chocolate being the number one feature here), and generally just held me close and kissed me until I fell asleep (maybe with some light bondage and a blindfold being thrown in, and some lovemaking if I had the energy, for good measure). He liked this idea, but told me it was rather out of character for me, being a hardcore bitch and all. :p I blamed it on the fact that I can't find a job and am kind of stressing that I've been to three interviews in the past week and a half and haven't had a single callback yet. I need someone to reassure me that it's going to be ok, and I won't be thrown into debtor's prison.

After that lengthy story, I'm finally getting to the point of my post. While the scenario I described up there probably falls under aftercare, I think both of us could do that scene alone without the lengthy torture session preceding it, so whether or not it's an aftercare thing depends solely on context rather than content. We often discuss the hard side, so let's turn it around for a minute. For those of you who are like me, unimpressed with the "Oh-My-Master-You're-So-Wonderful-Oh-My-Pet-I-Will-Protect-You-Forever" school of D/s or M/s often seen in newbies and onliners-only, how often do you like to play on the soft side? What motivates you to play soft? What kinds of things do you like to do when you take a break from the hardcore? If cuddling is considered standard soft, mushy play, is massage considered edgy soft play?

Ok, I was being facetious with that last one, but I'd love to hear what you think. *Holds insulin shot at the ready because I'm betting there'll be lots of sweetness in this thread* :)

I need him to be in control before I feel the need for aftercare... He is very sweet when it is all over and he knows my body reactions before I even do almost. Although as things progress it might turn to soft and mushy . it just hasnt yet progressed there yet...
 
Thanks, everyone, for the interesting responses. JM and cat, you're right about what I called the over-romanticizing of D/s. I know not all newbies and online-only people are this way, but the over-idealizing that you see from a number of them sets my teeth on edge. My special person can piss me off to no end, but I still like being around him, anyway. ;)

catalina_francisco said:
We tend to play both sides interchangeably, and often at the same time....at the same time has a sweetness and torture all of it's own. Everyday for us includes lots of spoken love words, lots of touching without thinking, caressing of each other while watching TV or whatever, and kissing.......but it also includes pain, the usual being how he will walk in from work, take me in his arms for a deep passionate kiss and grab my nipples between thumb and fingertip while kissing and squeeze so hard they remain flattened for at least 10 minutes...or he might move from the kiss to an unexpected hard bite somewhere, or pinching, slapping...and then there is the more hard, concentrated stuff when time and privacy permit which can or may not be intermingled with softness.

This is pretty much how it happens with us, too. I'm wired in such a way that I can tune out both pure pain and pure pleasure after awhile. If I'm kept off-balance with a mixture of both, I enjoy it much more.
 
dixicritter said:
Not as odd as you might think. I'm in the same type of relationship with my husband, He is my Daddy/Master and I am His pet/slave. I too need both, and it really makes feel on top of the world to hear the words "good girl" from Daddy. So I know exactly what you mean. :)

We have those soft tender moments where Daddy just wants me to sit in His lap and cuddle with Him. Those are the times that I feel the safest, because I'm in His arms.


OK Bunny better use that insulin now. ;)

Mmmhmmmm....yes...exactly. Without getting into specifics, there was a particular moment last night during our conversation where i felt the safest/warmest/most cherished that i have ever felt in my entire life. :heart: i can only imagine that feeling is going to be compounded when we're together IRL.

Someone hurry and get Bunny more insulin.
 
i am a hopeless romantic so it follows that my relationship is chuck full of the sweet stuff :rose:
 
I usually play on the soft side a good majority of the time. Love it. And I don't know if it is because of the juxtaposition of having the hard parts, but it really seems more emotionally fulfilling to me than when I've been in vanilla relationships that lack the kink I need. Those more tender moments in vanilla just don't seem as profound to me.
I don't know if it's the partner, or if its just the value that I place more on D/s relationships and the exchange of power.
 
coy_one said:
I usually play on the soft side a good majority of the time. Love it. And I don't know if it is because of the juxtaposition of having the hard parts, but it really seems more emotionally fulfilling to me than when I've been in vanilla relationships that lack the kink I need. Those more tender moments in vanilla just don't seem as profound to me.
I don't know if it's the partner, or if its just the value that I place more on D/s relationships and the exchange of power.

I pick all of the above. :)
 
Puman said:
I was beginning to think my D/s relationship was somewhat skewed... (though I don't have enough experience to be sure)

It's nice to hear & see that others appreciate the gentler side of things. I actually have a Gentle Master... if that makes any sense at all. He never calls me slut, whore or bitch and in the middle play, when I feel as though I cannot take anymore, He leans close to my ear and whispers softly: "It's okay, my lady, I'm here. You can do this."... and I feel like I can move mountains... :rolleyes: perhaps it's just his hypnotic voice or something... It goes without saying that the after care is sometimes more amazing than actual play...

Thank you for this thread, BiBunny!

My relationship with my sub (we're together 4 years now) is MOSTLY romantic, gentle, soft and gushy....even while we're in play. Then again, I don't get off on punishing or degrading... we play coz we wanna play and when we're trying something new & she's a little nervous I think nothing of giving her hand a squeeze while I'm binding her or giving her a soft, gentle kiss every couple of lashes...
 
Hey I tell any male sub who goes all soft and pink on me, to get a girlfriend.
 
I only have a few short years of real time experience but I have found that the Doms I have been with also enjoy simple caresses, cuddles, and soft affection in general, as well as vanilla sex. We have busy, stressful lives and sometimes it’s nice to just relax and go slow and easy, once in a while. From the Doms with whom I’ve had contact, whether real time or just chatting online, there is always the factor of his control, no matter what the situation; sometimes it's all about intensity, other times it's about gentleness (which can be pretty intense, actually). Depending on his mood and need at the given moment, either can be just as much desired and pleasing to him.

There is a lot written regarding the need of aftercare by a sub, the affection and cuddling; perhaps it’s an affirmation of pleasing her Dom, and their bonding continues. Yet, I can’t help but wonder if a Dom appreciates giving slow and soft aftercare, just as much, for his own purpose. It seems to be a good opportunity for him to wind down, as is the same for his sub.
 
In my life trust has always been a hard thing for me. So when we play, the hard stuff really turns me on but he mixes it with some soft stuff also and that helps me to feel safe. I don't know if that sounds crazy but it works for me. Out of the bedroom we are mostly playful and just try to make things light and romantic because we don't get to see each other very often.
 
I love the soft side :) Don't tell anyone, but Master Gil does too :nana:

Just today, lying in each other's arms after I gave Him a bj, I felt so safe, loved and cared for.....I think I will remember that moment forever. The way He cupped my head and kissed me, while I still had the taste of His cum on my lips.....*smile* :heart:
 
With my property it's a cheek kiss and a "thank you so much, baby" kind of thing. Or calling one another and bitching about the geopolitical situation, as though that does anything. Or watching horrid sci fi. Or snuggling and sleeping together, PJ's on, his arms around me - I entrust him with a lot of intimate details. Him picking out and laying out my clothing for me or helping me out of fetish stuff. But these are the flip side of a very hard, nasty, impersonal, coin.

With my husband it tends to exist largely on the softer side, emotionally and otherwise - though there are certain activities he enjoys to a very brutal level, I don't see that as especially hardcore - the dynamic remains warm and connected. Likewise with my stud. If I'm bottoming to my stud, I've got to be handled a certain way, it's got to stay very much on the sensual side or be felt out in ways I'm in control of or *feel* in control of or the game's off fast. Fortunately I've got someone who knows me THAT well, and who pushes my few buttons of that nature. When I top him - I feel more emotionally naked than ever - it's really intense. I get more shaken by that than bottoming at times.

I guess I'm pretty vanilla about sexual intimacy in some ways - pulling some of the romantic dynamic makes debasement much more fun and real-feeling to me.
 
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Netzach said:
With my property it's a cheek kiss and a "thank you so much, baby" kind of thing. Or calling one another and bitching about the geopolitical situation, as though that does anything. Or watching horrid sci fi. Or snuggling and sleeping together, PJ's on, his arms around me - I entrust him with a lot of intimate details. Him picking out and laying out my clothing for me or helping me out of fetish stuff. But these are the flip side of a very hard, nasty, impersonal, coin.

With my husband it tends to exist largely on the softer side, emotionally and otherwise - though there are certain activities he enjoys to a very brutal level, I don't see that as especially hardcore - the dynamic remains warm and connected. Likewise with my stud. If I'm bottoming to my stud, I've got to be handled a certain way, it's got to stay very much on the sensual side or be felt out in ways I'm in control of or *feel* in control of or the game's off fast. Fortunately I've got someone who knows me THAT well, and who pushes my few buttons of that nature. When I top him - I feel more emotionally naked than ever - it's really intense. I get more shaken by that than bottoming at times.

I guess I'm pretty vanilla about sexual intimacy in some ways - pulling some of the romantic dynamic makes debasement much more fun and real-feeling to me.

*Sigh* I wanna grow up to be just like you, Netz.
 
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