The Scoop on the Over-18 Thing

[Eve_of_destruction]

I am posting this in two other categories, so I appologize in advance to any who stumble onto this thread more than once.

The question of why we cannot publish stories featuring anyone under the age of 18 pops up every so often, and I'm sure Laurel and Manu get exasperated having to hear it dredged up ad nauseum.

The answer: IT'S THE LAW! Or rather, it's the law in only 8 STATES! It is illegal to have sex with anyone under the age of 17 in 7 states, and all the rest of us feel it's okay anywhere from age 14 to 16.

See how your state feels about this at http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm

All of you who live in one of those states and want to write a story with an underage character in it, instead of writing Laurel and Manu, write to your congressman and your senators and ask that the age be lowered. It couldn't hurt anything...

EOD

 

[Starfish]

Oh goodie, Now I can fuck 16 year olds.



Thank you for the link, however. It is very informative.

 

[ShyGuy68]

Welcome back

Hi Eve.

Just wanted to wish you welcome back! It sure have been a long time ago since I've seen you post!!

 

[Eve_of_destruction]

ShyGuy!!!

It's good to be back! I've had a LOT on my plate (so to speak), but I think (hope) I've got a long, dry spell ahead of me for awhile. So maybe I can keep coming back here and pestering the shit out of you guys!

EOD

 

[Darowyn]

May I politely remind Eve that there are more states than fifty and more continents than America.

 

[Weird Harold]

May I politely remind Eve that there are more states than fifty and more continents than America.

Didn't follow the link, did you.

I almost couldn't find the laws for th USA because they're at a LONG list of other countries.

 

[Eve_of_destruction]

Yep, I forgot to mention that the link includes every country imaginable, and they honestly let you know when they are uncertain about the law of consent in certain countries.

 

[KillerMuffin]

The server is in California.
The webmistress is in California.
Literotica is based in California.

The legal age of consent in California: 18.

Any questions?

 

[Weird Harold]

The server is in California.
The webmistress is in California.
Literotica is based in California.

The legal age of consent in California: 18.

Any questions?

Just one. When did they move the server to California? I thought it was on the East coast -- New Jersey (?) or thereabouts.

 

[Laurel]

Just one more question:

When we meet, should I address you as Harold, Weird Harold, or Agent Harold? Please don't bring our "file" to the party.

 

[Eve_of_destruction]

LOL, Laurel! He's one smart cookie, ain't he? But seriously... WHY ISN'T THIS THING LETTING ME SET UP MY DAMN POLL? And how can i get rid of the two threads about my poll that are already up there? Please explain in non-computerese (for instance...KM said to push something called a radio button... WTH is that?) how to go about fixing why "square A" isn't fitting into "slot B", so to speak. And, PLEASE put warning labels next to the poll-making thingy that computer idiots such as myself should not touch it w/ a 10-ft. "poll"!

EOD

 

[Starfish]

The server is in California.
The webmistress is in California.
Literotica is based in California.

The legal age of consent in California: 18.

Any questions?

I have one......


Why can I still fuck 16 year olds? (not that I would)
I realize these laws were made when kids got married at 16 but WTF????

Why arn't the laws being changed? It isn't too cool, I'll tell ya.

I don't want any daughter of mine to be "legal" at 16! eesh!

 

[Weird Harold]

I don't want any daughter of mine to be "legal" at 16! eesh!

You'd maybe rather she was a criminal at sixteen, neh?

Daughters (and Sons) are going to do it at about that age, legal or not.

 

[Starfish]

Harold, that isn't what I mean.


I had sex at 14, with another teen.

If it had been someone older, than I would have be no worse, because I was used, but the idea is that I don't want older men to think that it is okay to pray on young impressionable girls. And vice versa with boys and older women. I realize that teens have sexual urges. I, like my mother and father, will tell my kid...

If your gonna do it, do it with a someone you love, and in a responsible manner. I will pray that person is a good person, no matter what their age, and I'll be okay with it if they arn't pressuring my child to fuck.

I will be more open than you can imagine a parent should be. I was raised in an alternative lifestyle family. I was told at 10 years old, all of the details of sex, and that I was to let them know before I suspected I would have sex, to be put on birthcontrol. My parents were the coolest, most understanding parents, and I aspire to be the same for my children.

I will make it clear that if given two weeks notice, Dave and I will go out of town on a getaway for the weekend, so that they can be in a safe place, having safe sex. Not a car, parked on a hill somewhere, so I get a call from the cops when they are supposed to be sleeping at a friends house.


The laws won't effect my kids mentality...

It however effects the minds of deviants....

Just two days ago a 15 year old girl in Detriot discovered she was being spyed on by a man, while she changed in her room.
If penaltys aren't solid and hard, all sorts of men would give in to thier urge for "teen flesh" which is pumped out like chocolates all over the net.


I meant to add that girls outlooks on sex are EXTREAMLY different than boys. Men do relate better to the needs of a woman, rather than a 'learning' boy..... I wouldn't dissaprove of a son having sex with an older woman, as much as an impressionable girl, and since boys tend to use girls (not all, but most, and I know this for a fact) than I'd rather my daughter wait, than be used, like I was. It hurt so bad. The only man who hasn't used me is my husband, and in the beginning, I even wonder about that.

I would really like my kid to do what is best for them. That is all.

 

[Weird Harold]

Harold, that isn't what I mean.

No, but it's what you said -- the opposite of "legal" is "criminal."

I agre with your philosphy, but not with your conclusion about deviants being encouraged by lower age limits.

At age 14, my older daughter was often mistaken for my wife or her sister's mother. I can't see any point in making a criminal out of a man she (or another girl with similar attributes)misrepresented her age to.

People who get off on prepubescent girls (or boys) by watching, touching, or worse, belong in th deepest pit of Hell stoking the fires that burn them.

On th other hand, men who lust after females who possess all the primary and secondary sexual attributes aren't perverts, they're normal, healthy men.

 

[Eve_of_destruction]

Harold, Weird Harold, Agent Harold (as Madam suggested) - I think your new name should be "Voice of Wisdom Harold"

My 2 cents, but worth much more,
EOD

(And i thought i was the only one who stayed up this late!)

 

[GuyJD]

Being that I was in law enforcement at the time, I was already aware that the age of consent in the state of Louisiana is 17. But there's a catch to that. It is only legal if someone age 18 and under were to have sex with a 17 year old. If someone over 18 was to have sex with a 17 year old, it would be considered statuatory rape.
However, for all of the pedophiles in our great Literotica trailor park, I've been told by my cute Latina friend that the age of consent in Mexico is 13. o-:

But the entire misunderstanding is the literary rights. I don't recall any laws in any state that makes it illegal to write underaged sex stories. If that was the case, White Shadow Nasty Stories would have been shut down decades ago. Writing is like a fantasy...It's okay until you act upon it.
I've already seen a few websites, non-pedophilia that is, that has underage sex stories posted (some as young as 12). But I still respect Laurel (Literotica) and Art (eroticstories.com) for banning such publications because I can't see anyone in their right state of mind getting excited on that sort of thing.

 

[Closet Desire]

At the risk of repeating myself...

The US and Canada already have the strictest moral laws on the books regarding teenage sexuality and debate constantly over the morality issues of sex education. What do they have to show for it? The highest rates of promiscuity, the highest rates of teen pregnancy, the highest rate of STD transmission, and the highest rates of abortion.

Holland, with the one of the most permissible attitudes toward teenage sexuality has the lowest rate of promiscuity, a higher average age of first intercourse, and the lowest rates of STD, abortion, and teenage pregnancy. It also has an openness about the issues and teaches about sex in a very pragmatic and realistic way.

Here in England where the age of consent is 16 I find that there isn't much handwringing over teenage sexuality. It's a fact of life so not only can a teenager go into the store and buy condoms without raising an eyebrow but a young woman can obtain the pill without her parent's permission from either her GP (who may have moral reservations I admit) or from local agencies.

As for adults preying on young people for sexual gratification...it doesn't seem to be any more of a problem here than in the US with all the strict laws. If anything, it seems to be less of a problem.

This liberal attitude toward sexuality, not only toward teenagers but toward everyone in general, is one of the freedoms I'm really treasure about living as an ex-pat in England/Europe.

 

[Starfish]

Harold,
You are right about men being attracted to girls who develop early as being normal, if when they find out the girl is 16, they back off. However, having a law saying it is okay for an adult to engage in sex with a 16 year old does give divients more room to get away with what I and many other people consider a sick crime. Boobies or not, mental ability to cope is what is important. 16 year old girls arn't the most emotionally stable, unimpressionable creatures. Many are stable, and you'll see those are the ones not out fucking to fuck. They masturbate and they dream of a 'dream guy' until college, and then they fuck to fuck.

I think, regardless of the link here, like Guy said.... that in the U.S. Under Federal law (???I am not positive, and am too tired to check???), that it is illegal for an adult 18 or over, to have sex with someone younger than 18, without parental consent. If this is then I have no worries about the laws, and will just worry about properly educating them, and hope that my kid does not gett pregnant, or get someone else pregnant, before they are married.



CD, You are correct with your stats on sexually related problems among teens in the US. It is truely shameful.

I think that is more to to poor parenting, than that of the laws we have, because those laws only reflect the prudish mentality that has driven horny teens to unwise sex activities for decades. You'd be very surprised how many parents assume thier kids know what they need to know from school, and since it is uncomfortable to talk about..... hush hush is the way to deal with it. We have so many sexually repressed people here that they don't even know what they need to know, to teach their kids right from silly and just plain dumb.

I would say that a large portion of parents leave sex ed up to the schools and "experimentation" rather than being open at home about sexually related problems that could arise from unresponsible sex.

They then turn around and blame rap music, and clothing manufacturers for thier children's 'misfortune'.

Hell, I am not surprised some of these idiots havn't opted for the tactic....... BLAME CANADA!
(in case you don't know what that is, it is from the South Park Movie)

 

[GuyJD]

You're almost right, Starfish.
A person over the age of 18 cannot have sex with a minor (anyone under 18), regardless of parental or child's consent. If a minor's parent knowingly allow such an act to occur, they can be arrested just as the statuatory rapist. That would be like pimping their child.

 

[*Lazer*]

Our laws are a vain attempt to allow teenagers to remain somewhat safe from the attentions of those who would seek to take advantage of their lack of judgement. Like it or not the reality is someone older is usually in the position to take advantage or manipulate a teenager. Lets be honest, teenagers in spite of what they think, are not all that bright when it comes to the games people play. The laws are there as a reminder to those who would use an unfair advantage that it is not right and indeed criminal to prey on them. I think the laws are prudent ones. I greatly respect Laurel and Manu for drawing a line in the sand.

I volunteer in a child advocacy law unit. I cannot begin to tell you nor would I the disturbing abuses that go on in this country to the most helpless of all, our children. Nothing pisses me off more then to see disscussions that it is "good for a young boy to be broken in by a older woman" or a girl by a older man. It gives many predators the idea that it is okay and the kids "want it". To say that the laws do no good and we should change them makes about as much sense as saying that since murder has increased lets just do away with that law too. Shit I dont know why I bother sayng this to you people it falls on deaf ears.

 

[Closet Desire]

Vain is the key word...

I think the discussion is separate and apart from what Manu and Laurel must do to protect themselves because right or wrong, agree or disagree, the law stands and must be obeyed. However, I don't think sexual predators pay much attention to the law.

I do think the culture in the US is, as someone else already mentioned, uncomfortable with the idea of sex at any age. My own parents NEVER discussed it with me and the inherent message was that it was nasty, dirty, evil, etc. Of course, it isn't. So kids don't just learn it from their parents. They learn it from a culture in which sex permeates but only from a prurient perspective. It's a contradiction that sex is desirable and yet dirty at the same time including anything that is even remotely connected to it. I happened to catch a couple of minutes of some popular American sitcom (Mad About You I think) in which a male "friend" was pulling clothes out of a woman's drawer. When he discovered some items were knickers and bras he dropped them and expressed his disgust at having touched them. What sort of message is this? I remember the message I felt growing up was that not only was sex pleasurable but that it should also include guilt, shame, and embarrassment.

My point was that the moralizing in the US flies in the face of reality when compared with cultures in which sex is a normal, expected part of growing up. It doesn't change the fact that a certain percentage of the adult population, including men and women, will attempt to prey on young people who, by the way, can hardly be considered "children" at sixteen. An open attitude about sex does ensure that the emotional maturity will keep pace with sexual maturity and this does help protect young people from predators by giving them the strength to know it is a bad situation. The truth is that many of these predators who "take advantage" of a young woman or man are doing so with the innocent cooperation of their "victim" otherwise it is rape and this is a forcible crime no matter what the age of the victim is.

One must remember too, when working with specific groups of the population, be it sexually abused children, criminals, or the mentally ill, that our perceptions can be skewed (we run several counselling and psychology practices) by the peopel we work with. We have to remember when we are a cop that not all people are "scumbags". When we provide counselling services we have to remember that not all people are victims or disturbed.

I personally feel, having grown up in the US and watching now from a distance, that an arbitrary standard is applied to what constitutes a child or an adult. I can't figure it out. You can drive a car at 16. You can join the military at 17. You can vote and work at 18. But, you can't drink until you're 21 because you're not mature enough. Yet, you can be tried, convicted, and sentenced as an adult at 14. Is this logical? Does this REALLY make any sense to anyone?

Just my thoughts.

 

[Stonedagger]

I was ..

just looking at what you guys all wrote and pretty much agree - but I sure as hell ain't writing a novel my hands get tired of typing
18 is legal age therefore only those above 18 can be on this Adult lit topics!!
(see one small paragraph and i am done typing!!)

 

[*Lazer*]

Where do you get off saying it is moralizing to put a age limit on the age of consent. In the US most kids leave high school at 18 so it is the age of consent. It is a protection for them to keep them from entering into a legally binding contract when they may not be aware of the consequences. It is also an accepted age whereupon they transisiton to the adult world.

You have only to look at the statistics to see that deaths in MVAs by teens has fallen since the advent of the drinking age being raised. More enforcement of these laws is having an impact and it is positive.

What age do you think concrete thinking begins CD? While we are at it have you looked at the teen pregnancy rate in the UK lately? It seems to me there is no one answer. I do not presume to say I have any at all. But a lower age of consent in the UK hasn't seemed to help teen pregnancies to reduce. Why reccomend it for the US? Just my humble observation.,

 

[Closet Desire]

Where do I get off?

Yes I have seen the figures for the UK....about half what they are in the US and higher than the rest of Europe which also happens to coincide with the degree of permissiveness toward sexuality.

Transitioning to adults? That's the point I was making...the US isn't actually sure about that is it? Today a Florida boy is being sentenced as an adult for a crime he committed at 14. What age do you think concrete thinking begins at?

Having sex isn't entering into a contract...it's something most healthy bodies have a desire to do well before the age of 18 and, in fact, most do.

And yes, in my opinion, the US holds the award for excessive moralizing. You don't need to look any closer than the Bush administrations attitude toward sex education (abstinence) or family planning in Africa (no money unless abortions are illegal). Sorry.

I didn't actually get off on anything. I expressed an opinion. You expressed yours. I don't have a problem with your opinion.