The rhetoric of the minimum wage

[Mamid]

Don't you guys know the rules?

Dem dats got da gold makes da rules!

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I related an anecdotal story. One that happens to be true. There was NO other event that happened prior to that day that would explain the uptick. It was after the Bush tax cuts and the price of gas was stable at about $1.19/gal.

The uptick perfectly follows the laws of economics as have been known for almost two centuries. In leiu of you coming up with another logical explanation my story, and the hypothesis it supports is perfectly valid.

You say "I don't know" for sure. And you're right. But if the hypothesis fits, you gotta call it quits. Unless you have a hypothesis at least as credible without resorting to wild ass conspiracy theories.

Ishmael

Ah, interesting reasoning...because you have a hypothesis that "fits" you're right. Good thing we've moved out of the middle ages.

Here's why your hypothesis doesn't fit:
1. You would have to know the price of every item in the store the day before the price went up and have checked every price on the day that it.
did.
2. As you said less than 3% of those employed make minimum wage and those that do are usually part time workers so would their be such an increase in labor that they needed to raise the price on all items?
3. There was probably no increase in the cost of labor. The minimum wage in most states (including Florida) is well above the federal minimum wage so the federal increase may not have affected the stores you shopped in.

I'm going to spell this out for you: I'm saying you have nothing to back up your hypothesis and you were simplying trying to convince people of your point of view with a BS story. If you have any evidence which supports your story other than "it happened, so it must be true" please share it.

 

[Ishmael]

Ah, interesting reasoning...because you have a hypothesis that "fits" you're right. Good thing we've moved out of the middle ages.

Here's why your hypothesis doesn't fit:
1. You would have to know the price of every item in the store the day before the price went up and have checked every price on the day that it.
did.
2. As you said less than 3% of those employed make minimum wage and those that do are usually part time workers so would their be such an increase in labor that they needed to raise the price on all items?
3. There was probably no increase in the cost of labor. The minimum wage in most states (including Florida) is well above the federal minimum wage so the federal increase may not have affected the stores you shopped in.

I'm going to spell this out for you: I'm saying you have nothing to back up your hypothesis and you were simplying trying to convince people of your point of view with a BS story. If you have any evidence which supports your story other than "it happened, so it must be true" please share it.

Don't know shit about science, do you?

1. No I don't. I only have to know the prices of sample items. And I made a point of doing some sampling that day.

2. As I also said many union contracts are indexed to minimum wage.

3. There most certainly was. That is a given with an increase in the minimum wage. To state otherwise is to deny reality.

While your position is noted, you, on the other hand have NO explanation at all. None. Zero. Nada. If you're going to take a contrarian position, it's best to have a contrarian explanation.

"You're wrong!!"

"Why?"

"I said so."

Do some research sparky.

Ishmael

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Don't know shit about science, do you?

1. No I don't. I only have to know the prices of sample items. And I made a point of doing some sampling that day.

2. As I also said many union contracts are indexed to minimum wage.

3. There most certainly was. That is a given with an increase in the minimum wage. To state otherwise is to deny reality.

While your position is noted, you, on the other hand have NO explanation at all. None. Zero. Nada. If you're going to take a contrarian position, it's best to have a contrarian explanation.

"You're wrong!!"

"Why?"

"I said so."

Do some research sparky.

Ishmael

1.You did sampling that day? Did you sample the day before? Besides you said all prices were increased? Are you now retracting that statement?
2. Can you verify that the 7-11 you were in was a union shop? Or that it's truck drivers are union?
3. The Florida mimimum wage is well over $1 more than the federal and has been for some time.

If I had the free time you did I could go around "researching" grocery store prices
& "sampling". I'll spell it out for you again because you still continue to miss the point of my posts. You don't have the information to say that the "price increase" was based only on an increase in federal minimum wage. I'm not going to come up with an alternate explanation, get over it. You've said yourself you have no evidence to back up your hypothesis yet you insist that it's true.

 

[Ishmael]

1.You did sampling that day? Did you sample the day before? Besides you said all prices were increased? Are you now retracting that statement?
2. Can you verify that the 7-11 you were in was a union shop? Or that it's truck drivers are union?
3. The Florida mimimum wage is well over $1 more than the federal and has been for some time.

If I had the free time you did I could go around "researching" grocery store prices
& "sampling". I'll spell it out for you again because you still continue to miss the point of my posts. You don't have the information to say that the "price increase" was based only on an increase in federal minimum wage. I'm not going to come up with an alternate explanation, get over it. You've said yourself you have no evidence to back up your hypothesis yet you insist that it's true.

1. Yeah, I did. I was all over Orange and Seminole County every day. A hot dog at 7-11 was the standard 'lunch on the run.' And being single I tended to buy small, but often. Otherwise a lot of the produce rotted.

2. Oh ye of shallow thought. Who cares if 7-11 is union? The proper question would have been, "Can you verify their suppliers were union?" Doesn't matter. Let's say the suppliers employees worked for minimum wage. The prices were going to go up.

(Is your mind so shallow it is incapable of juggling more than two variables at once?)

3. And you're point is? Florida 7-11's only purchase from Florida vendors? Hell, I've done contract work for Southland Corp. in the past and I know that isn't true.

No, you don't have the 'free' time. You're too busy teaching your distorted view of the world to children. Children that shouldn't really have to think about your distorted views.

You are the reason that none of my grandchildren will ever attend public school.

Ishmael

 

[Le Jacquelope]

1. Yeah, I did. I was all over Orange and Seminole County every day. A hot dog at 7-11 was the standard 'lunch on the run.' And being single I tended to buy small, but often. Otherwise a lot of the produce rotted.

2. Oh ye of shallow thought. Who cares if 7-11 is union? The proper question would have been, "Can you verify their suppliers were union?" Doesn't matter. Let's say the suppliers employees worked for minimum wage. The prices were going to go up.

(Is your mind so shallow it is incapable of juggling more than two variables at once?)

3. And you're point is? Florida 7-11's only purchase from Florida vendors? Hell, I've done contract work for Southland Corp. in the past and I know that isn't true.

No, you don't have the 'free' time. You're too busy teaching your distorted view of the world to children. Children that shouldn't really have to think about your distorted views.

You are the reason that none of my grandchildren will ever attend public school.

Ishmael

That's because your imaginary grandchildren never made it that far.

 

[Ishmael]

That's because your imaginary grandchildren never made it that far.

Projecting again Ginger?

Ishmael

 

[Le Jacquelope]

It's time for Assmeal to tell us about another dead descendant to woo EvelynTreemont into bed...

 

[Ishmael]

It's time for Assmeal to tell us about another dead descendant to woo EvelynTreemont into bed...

Soooooo, where did this 'Evelyn' shit come from LT? *chuckle*

Ishmael

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

1. Yeah, I did. I was all over Orange and Seminole County every day. A hot dog at 7-11 was the standard 'lunch on the run.' And being single I tended to buy small, but often. Otherwise a lot of the produce rotted.

2. Oh ye of shallow thought. Who cares if 7-11 is union? The proper question would have been, "Can you verify their suppliers were union?" Doesn't matter. Let's say the suppliers employees worked for minimum wage. The prices were going to go up.

(Is your mind so shallow it is incapable of juggling more than two variables at once?)

3. And you're point is? Florida 7-11's only purchase from Florida vendors? Hell, I've done contract work for Southland Corp. in the past and I know that isn't true.

No, you don't have the 'free' time. You're too busy teaching your distorted view of the world to children. Children that shouldn't really have to think about your distorted views.

You are the reason that none of my grandchildren will ever attend public school.

Ishmael

You have no study, you have anecdotal evidence and "because I said so". You don't have to be a "scientist" to know that your hypothesis is full of holes.

They raised the minimum wage (which doesn't apply to the workers there since Florida's minimum wage is well above the federal limit) and the next day the prices went up! Congratulations! you proved that prices rise on occassion and that the federal minimum wage went up.

You don't base a 'scientific' hypothesis on anecdotal evidence that you can neither prove, nor reproduce. There are too many variables for you to know why prices increased, if it was related to the increase in the minimum wage, or was merely coincidence.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

1. Yeah, I did. I was all over Orange and Seminole County every day. A hot dog at 7-11 was the standard 'lunch on the run.' And being single I tended to buy small, but often. Otherwise a lot of the produce rotted.

2. Oh ye of shallow thought. Who cares if 7-11 is union? The proper question would have been, "Can you verify their suppliers were union?" Doesn't matter. Let's say the suppliers employees worked for minimum wage. The prices were going to go up.

(Is your mind so shallow it is incapable of juggling more than two variables at once?)

3. And you're point is? Florida 7-11's only purchase from Florida vendors? Hell, I've done contract work for Southland Corp. in the past and I know that isn't true.

No, you don't have the 'free' time. You're too busy teaching your distorted view of the world to children. Children that shouldn't really have to think about your distorted views.

You are the reason that none of my grandchildren will ever attend public school.

Ishmael

Interesting post. Instead of answering the questions you want to make personal attacks that have nothing to do with the debate.

 

[garbage can]

If only 500,000 people are making minimum wage, then raising the minimum wage will have minimal affect.

However, if what Ish said is true........ It could be trouble in terms of inflation.

2. As I also said many union contracts are indexed to minimum wage.

 

[RightField]

If the minimum wage were incorporated now, it may not have a big effect, but it will have an effect. The funny thing is that the dems will raise the minimum wage, start making plans for more spending, and tax increases and those will start to drag the economy before the election and then they'll start saying "We told you that George Bush's economic plan would result in recession". Heck, it's probably their plan.

I'd laugh if the thought of it didn't hurt so much.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

If the minimum wage were incorporated now, it may not have a big effect, but it will have an effect. The funny thing is that the dems will raise the minimum wage, start making plans for more spending, and tax increases and those will start to drag the economy before the election and then they'll start saying "We told you that George Bush's economic plan would result in recession". Heck, it's probably their plan.

I'd laugh if the thought of it didn't hurt so much.

Teh sky is falling, teh sky is falling!

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

If the minimum wage were incorporated now, it may not have a big effect, but it will have an effect. The funny thing is that the dems will raise the minimum wage, start making plans for more spending, and tax increases and those will start to drag the economy before the election and then they'll start saying "We told you that George Bush's economic plan would result in recession". Heck, it's probably their plan.

I'd laugh if the thought of it didn't hurt so much.

It would only have an effect on 500,000 people, and a large majority of those aren't full time workers. How would this really effect anything?

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

If the minimum wage were incorporated now, it may not have a big effect, but it will have an effect. The funny thing is that the dems will raise the minimum wage, start making plans for more spending, and tax increases and those will start to drag the economy before the election and then they'll start saying "We told you that George Bush's economic plan would result in recession". Heck, it's probably their plan.

I'd laugh if the thought of it didn't hurt so much.

Have you been under a rock for the entire past 6 years? Job creation numbers in this "economic boom" have been worse than even Reagan's (9.5 million jobs were created from January 1981 to December 1986.) during the worst recession since the great depression and he served as President through two of them.. 3.7 million for Bush (from January 2001 through December of last year ) vs. 17.6 million for the same time during Clinton's second term (from January 1993 to December 1998). The National Debt is at an all time high, nearly double what it was at the beginning of Bush's first term. You're worried about what the democrats are going to do when your party has lost all semblance of fiscal responsibility over the course of two Presidential terms.

The Housing bubble has burst, job creation numbers are in the toilet and have been for years now. Somehow you want to spin these problems and pin it on the party that achieved the majority less than a week ago. Seriously?

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Interesting post. Instead of answering the questions you want to make personal attacks that have nothing to do with the debate.

Welcome to having an opinion that differs from Ishmael's.