The rhetoric of the minimum wage

[Pyro Paul]

Why do you think that would happen?

um... Because... thats what large companies do...
any chance they get to line their coffers with a little extra cash will be immediatly exploited.

in the end of all economics is the simple question:
How can i Get a dollar?

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

so with this, you are suggesting we allow Large companies to pay their workers 15 cents a day?

Sure. Why not? A super way to turn them into small companies and we ALL hate "Big" business, now don't we?

 

[Ishmael]

Getting it right has never been high on Throb's list of priorities...

He'll make that shoe fit if it kills you.

Ishmael

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

um... Because... thats what large companies do...
any chance they get to line their coffers with a little extra cash will be immediatly exploited.

By their competition...

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

He'll make that shoe fit if it kills you.

Ishmael

All the while screaming SPIN! SPIN! SPIN!

 

[Ishmael]

um... Because... thats what large companies do...
any chance they get to line their coffers with a little extra cash will be immediatly exploited.

in the end of all economics is the simple question:
How can i Get a dollar?

Is that right?

Then why isn't EVERYONE that works for big corps not being paid minimum wage? Hmmmmmm?

Ishmael

 

[Xelebes]

I call bullshit because of how languid your economies already are compared to ours. We don't want to end up like France and have a special problem you don't have to deal with as 1/7th of Mexico hasn't swum ashore to take the jobs the English won't do.

Canada's economy is much hotter than the US's, particularily in the West where the minimum wages are at 7.50 an hour or higher. In Alberta, due to abnormal labour conditions, no one offers a job opening at minimum wage.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Why do you think that would happen?

Because all people who go into business are minions of the Republican Party and in league with the devil...

 

[Pyro Paul]

Sure. Why not? A super way to turn them into small companies and we ALL hate "Big" business, now don't we?

no it isn't.

seriously, a lot of the Big business only out source because the places they outsource to don't have a minimum wage. why pay US tech support 12 dollars an hour when we can pay some out sourced guy 12 dollars a Day to do the same job? if they didn't have a restriction a lot of companies Would pay their work force next to nothing, it is Why we have a Minimum wage in the first place.

 

[DavidJericho]

Because all people who go into business are minions of the Republican Party and in league with the devil...

Now hold on justa doggone minute. I thought repubs were all beer swilling nascar rednecks?

I'm sure I read that here on the GB somewhere.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Canada's economy is much hotter than the US's, particularily in the West where the minimum wages are at 7.50 an hour or higher. In Alberta, due to abnormal labour conditions, no one offers a job opening at minimum wage.

No one pays it here to my knowlege. Is that $7.50 Canadian?

 

[Ishmael]

Canada's economy is much hotter than the US's, particularily in the West where the minimum wages are at 7.50 an hour or higher. In Alberta, due to abnormal labour conditions, no one offers a job opening at minimum wage.

We have local 'hotspots' as well. They come and go.

Ishmael

 

[Pyro Paul]

Is that right?

Then why isn't EVERYONE that works for big corps not being paid minimum wage? Hmmmmmm?

Ishmael

because of promises made in contracts, legally binding doccuments, and enforced mandates.

 

[Ishmael]

no it isn't.

seriously, a lot of the Big business only out source because the places they outsource to don't have a minimum wage. why pay US tech support 12 dollars an hour when we can pay some out sourced guy 12 dollars a Day to do the same job? if they didn't have a restriction a lot of companies Would pay their work force next to nothing, it is Why we have a Minimum wage in the first place.

How many jobs have been outsourced and what are those jobs?

You've bought the schtick, hook, line, and sinker.

Ishmael

 

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[Cap’n AMatrixca]

no it isn't.

seriously, a lot of the Big business only out source because the places they outsource to don't have a minimum wage. why pay US tech support 12 dollars an hour when we can pay some out sourced guy 12 dollars a Day to do the same job? if they didn't have a restriction a lot of companies Would pay their work force next to nothing, it is Why we have a Minimum wage in the first place.

Yeah, Microsoft tried that and brought their operations back on shore.

We don't have a minimum wage for any other reason that some people love to use the positive interference of government to fight their crusades against perceived injustice. Have you read Mills and von Humboldt on the subject?

Also, as pointed out a year or so ago, those Indian companies are chock full of American computers, phones, and software, that the companies that hire them improve their bottom and and pay more to their shareholders (shareholders = widows, penshioners, and middle-class retirement accounts).

It's a small world after all,
It's a small world after all,
It's a small, small world...

 

[Ishmael]

because of promises made in contracts, legally binding doccuments, and enforced mandates.

Bullshit. You don't know what in the fuck you're talking about.

People are paid according to their skill level and the availability of that skill in the local market place. If a business similar to mine pays engineers $75K a year if they have 5 years experience, well, that's what I'm going to have to pay to attract quailfied employees. If it's an experienced Accounts Recievable clerk and the going rate is $30K, that's what I have to pay to get the talent. No contracts, no mandates, and certainly no fucking government.

Ishmael

 

[Pyro Paul]

Are you saying you would work for .15 cents an hour?

no i wouldn't

but there are people that would, particularly illegals.

as the saying goes
there is always some one out there which can do the same exact job as you Better, faster, and cheaper. why pay you when we can pay some one who is willing do the same thing as you at half the price?

 

[Pyro Paul]

look at the automotive industry.
everything used to be hand made.
5 guys made made a car. put it togeather from scratch and rolled it off the line.

when Robotics came in, All those people where out of the job.

Why Pay a person to do something that a robotic arm can do better, faster, and cheaper.

 

[Ishmael]

look at the automotive industry.
everything used to be hand made.
5 guys made made a car. put it togeather from scratch and rolled it off the line.

when Robotics came in, All those people where out of the job.

Why Pay a person to do something that a robotic arm can do better, faster, and cheaper.

Ever been on an auto assembly line? Didn't think so. There's a LOT more people envolved than you think. Robots are used for quality purposes as much as for labor reduction. I robot doesn't come to work hungover like a son of a bitch and then fucks up every auto it works on that day.

But you are right in the sense that there is far less labor content in the autos produced today than even 10 years ago.

Companies do NOT exist to provide jobs for people.

Ishmael

 

[MakersandIce]

so with this, you are suggesting we allow Large companies to pay their workers 15 cents a day?

If a man is willing to work for .15 a day.

 

[Pyro Paul]

Ever been on an auto assembly line? Didn't think so. There's a LOT more people envolved than you think. Robots are used for quality purposes as much as for labor reduction. I robot doesn't come to work hungover like a son of a bitch and then fucks up every auto it works on that day.

But you are right in the sense that there is far less labor content in the autos produced today than even 10 years ago.

Companies do NOT exist to provide jobs for people.

Ishmael

yeah, that is what im trying to say in so many words.

large companies are only there to make money for the guys at top.
a Lot of companies are willing to sacrifice the bottem of the ladder in order to line their pockets with a little extra green. i know a Lawyer is payed on their 'skill' in the profession, but im talking about the guy laying concret for a road or the person flipping burgers at a burger shack. the companies which Scrap by paying people minimum wage only because they can't pay you any less.

 

[Ishmael]

yeah, that is what im trying to say in so many words.

large companies are only there to make money for the guys at top.
a Lot of companies are willing to sacrifice the bottem of the ladder in order to line their pockets with a little extra green. i know a Lawyer is payed on their 'skill' in the profession, but im talking about the guy laying concret for a road or the person flipping burgers at a burger shack. the companies which Scrap by paying people minimum wage only because they can't pay you any less.

Coorporations exist to make money for the stockholders. Those are the people on 'top'.

Ishmael

 

[Xelebes]

No one pays it here to my knowlege. Is that $7.50 Canadian?

7.50 CAN = 6.38 US

Also note that the average salary of a Canadian is 29,000 CAN dollars (24,650 US) - which in the US would be considered below poverty line.

 

[DavidJericho]

7.50 CAN = 6.38 US

Also note that the average salary of a Canadian is 29,000 CAN dollars (24,650 US) - which in the US would be considered below poverty line.

As defined by the Office of Management and Budget and updated for inflation using the Consumer Price Index, the average poverty threshold for a family of four in 2003 was $18,810; for a family of three, $14,680; for a family of two, $12,015; and for unrelated individuals, $9,393.


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