The Real Goal of the Abraham Accords - Jared $$$$

[ll74]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/us/jared-kushner-saudi-investment-fund.html

Shocked

Six months after leaving the White House, Jared Kushner secured a $2 billion investment from a fund led by the Saudi crown prince, a close ally during the Trump administration, despite objections from the fund’s advisers about the merits of the deal.

 

[ll74]

But how is peace coming along? Surely the pressure has led to the Palestinians securing a deal with Israel

No?

Hmmm....

 

[DirtKnapp]

SA never signed the AA

The Palis had zero to do with the AA

Try again

 

[ll74]

SA never signed the AA

The Palis had zero to do with the AA

Try again

Lmao, you don't say....I had no idea. ¯\(°_o)/¯

 

[Champakian]

He actually proved to be very effective as a conduit between the Jews and the Muslims of the ME.

He's not a dummy and he established connections while working for his father-in-law.

He's pretty savvy when it comes to investing too. But haters gotta hate...

 

[ll74]

He actually proved to be very effective as a conduit between the Jews and the Muslims of the ME.

He's not a dummy and he established connections while working for his father-in-law.

He's pretty savvy when it comes to investing too. But haters gotta hate...

He's the smart nepotism guy.

 

[DirtKnapp]

He's the smart nepotism guy.

he was a BILLIONAIRE before he became a son in law

try again

 

[ll74]

he was a BILLIONAIRE before he became a son in law

try again

Was he?

And if he was, we can ignore two more billion, I guess.

And since they never signed the accords.

And such.

 

[JohnnySavage]

He made his bones the old fashioned way: Sucking on the government teat.

 

[Champakian]

You seem to be letting Trump get the best of your reason...


I've noticed he has that effect on people,
but it's no reason to diminish his son-in-law
without even knowing him on any level other than the news you consume
and your feelings towards President Trump, why did manage to reach peace agreements
in the Middle East with the competent assistance of his daughter's husband. He was a good fit.

Clearly the Saudis see that and are willing to invest in it.

 

[Champakian]

To me the question is, are things better in the region since the accords?

It would appear to be so; relations thawed between a number of countries and Israel.

 

[ll74]

He made his bones the old fashioned way: Sucking on the government teat.

Giving the government free handjobs for kickback.

 

[ll74]

To me the question is, are things better in the region since the accords?

It would appear to be so; relations thawed between a number of countries and Israel.

Which ones and what is your measure?

Please provide pre and post metrics.

 

[Champakian]

In other words, you think things are exactly the same.


Good to know that your TDS is that pervasive.

Google is your friend: https://www.brookings.edu/research/the-emergence-of-gcc-israel-relations-in-a-changing-middle-east/

 

[ll74]

In other words, you think things are exactly the same.


Good to know that your TDS is that pervasive.

Google is your friend: https://www.brookings.edu/research/the-emergence-of-gcc-israel-relations-in-a-changing-middle-east/

I assume you see this as proving your point....not sure why. It's a fluff peace that gives no real measured results from the 2020 deal. Might as well just give me a gif of cheerleaders with "Abraham Accord Did the Things" on it.

You're the one who is saying things are better. Yet again, you are telling me to prove something you claim. Fuck off....do it yourself.

To conclude, relations between most Gulf states and Israel are not new or uniform, but changes in regional dynamics have given some GCC members a new strategic imperative for drawing closer to their former adversary.

 

[ll74]

PeAcE iN tHe MiDdLe EaSt - ThAnKs JaReD!!!

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2022/country-chapters/israel/palestine

 

[Champakian]

Are conditions there better or worse since the accords?

It seems to me, based upon a dearth of news that they must be better...

 

[Champakian]

I'm sure that you could prove that immediately with a non-fluff piece
since any evidence I offer up is clearly going to be dismissed as "inconvenient" to your beliefs.

 

[ll74]

Are conditions there better or worse since the accords?

It seems to me, based upon a dearth of news that they must be better...

You've given no metric to actually address the question. You seen to believe it has, yet the only article you've provided doesn't really support that outside of an analysis of relations between countries that already had relations since the 90s

The violent events between Israel and the Palestinians hasnt been reduced in any measure I've found.

Typically peace has a small reduction in that

 

[ll74]

I'm sure that you could prove that immediately with a non-fluff piece
since any evidence I offer up is clearly going to be dismissed as "inconvenient" to your beliefs.

"Prove me wrong"

Lol ..got it.

Metallica is the worst band ever....Google it

 

[Champakian]

So the Egyptian peace is a meaningless metric?
The Saudi normalization of relations is a meaningless metric?
There are many other countries which have normalized relations, but
you seem to want links, maps, numbers, expert confirmation from the Left...

 

[Champakian]

Sputtering incoherently is not cogent, or meaningful, dialog.

 

[ll74]

So the Egyptian peace is a meaningless metric?
The Saudi normalization of relations is a meaningless metric?
There are many other countries which have normalized relations, but
you seem to want links, maps, numbers, expert confirmation from the Left...

I want metrics and evidence of those metrics.

If countries who already had economic relations who have now had them "normalized" is your metric, then fine....they were successful for a handful of countries. Great job everybody.

The word peace seems to come up often when discussing the efforts in the middle east, so I tend to focus on that a bit more. The number of attacks and dead citizens in the area hasn't seemed to decrease any. Maybe I'm just focusing on the wrong things.

But hey...Kushner can buy a new mansion

 

[ll74]

Sputtering incoherently is not cogent, or meaningful, dialog.

Then perhaps stop doing that.

 

[Champakian]

Sure.

As long as it's mutual.