The President is a Slack-Jawed Monkey (NOT a political thread)

[shereads]

Honest to God, did he not sputter and squirm like a kid who studied for the wrong test? What a knuckle-dragger.

Oops. I guess it is political. My bad.

 

[Guest]

Honest to God, did he not sputter and squirm like a kid who studied for the wrong test? What a knuckle-dragger.

Oops. I guess it is political. My bad.

Loved the debate.

Loved it, loved it, loved it.

And I love the hole he keeps digging for himself. . .

 

[shereads]

Re: Re: The President is a Slack-Jawed Monkey (NOT a political thread)

Loved the debate.

Loved it, loved it, loved it.

And I love the hole he keeps digging for himself. . .

You must have seen a different debate. He won the one Fox News covered. Just ask that perky spokes-blond from his campaign. "Tonight we're seeing why George W. Bush will be re-elected," she chirps.

Well, duh. He makes everybody feel so poised and smart. We owe him for that.

 

[Lord DragonsWing]

Nahhhhhhhhhhhh, I think both sputtered and squirmed an equal amount. The debate was a tie. I'll give Bush credit for his policies and Kerry credit for his. I don't believe in a national healthcare system so I won't vote for Kerry. Of course that's a political pipedream offered for the election. It'll never happen in the US. No one is about to let our healthcare system go that low.

 

[shereads]

Nahhhhhhhhhhhh, I think both sputtered and squirmed an equal amount. The debate was a tie.

See? Someone else watched Fox!



You're right, Dragon. Why should the country that spends more money, per capita, on healthcare than any other developed nation expect any more than we already have? I for one am not going to wait in line for my annual physical, just so the uninsured can be covered too. Let's stay the course.

 

[shereads]

Nahhhhhhhhhhhh, I think both sputtered and squirmed an equal amount. The debate was a tie. I'll give Bush credit for his policies and Kerry credit for his. I don't believe in a national healthcare system so I won't vote for Kerry. Of course that's a political pipedream offered for the election. It'll never happen in the US. No one is about to let our healthcare system go that low.

You didn't read the book, did you? I didn't think so.

 

[Xelebes]

See? Someone else watched Fox!



You're right, Dragon. Why should the country that spends more money, per capita, on healthcare than any other developed nation expect any more than we already have? I for one am not going to wait in line for my annual physical, just so the uninsured can be covered too. Let's stay the course.

Annual... physical?

Sorry, but I have never done this annual physical thing. Despite how good it might be for the body, I'm not gonna place that kinda load on our medical system - our social bond.

Mind you, I have never been to a dentist in 15 years so...

 

[Guest]

Re: Re: Re: The President is a Slack-Jawed Monkey (NOT a political thread)

You must have seen a different debate. He won the one Fox News covered. Just ask that perky spokes-blond from his campaign. "Tonight we're seeing why George W. Bush will be re-elected," she chirps.

Well, duh. He makes everybody feel so poised and smart. We owe him for that.

Ah, the Fox bimbo is mistaken.

CNN.com
George Bush 20% 59416 votes
John Kerry 78% 229276 votes
Evenly matched 2% 6260 votes
Total: 294952 votes

msn.com
Who won the debate?
Pres. Bush 32%
Sen. Kerry 68%

Fox News
Who won Friday night's presidential debate?
a. President Bush (49%) 141,369
b. Senator Kerry (50%) 146,356
c. I did not watch (1%) 1,438
d. None of the above (0%) 752
289,915 total votes

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

Actually, I didn’t think he did all that bad.

Compared to last week, George the Lesser appeared vaguely coherent.

Or have I gone and over-misunderestimated him again?

 

[Lord DragonsWing]

Okay, that's true shereads. But let me tell you a true story of National Healthcare in England. Patient goes in diagnosed with cancer. Under National Healthcare they would of been seen in 6 to 8 months. They had pvt insurance which paid and was seen in a week. Diagnosis-high risk cancer at an upper grade. The patient is now cancer free thanks to pvt insurance. If they'd of waited on National Heathcare, they would of died. The uterine was penetrated by the cancer. National Healthcare had a waiting list of months and wouldn't of covered the treatment to save their life.
There are many stories like this from every National Healthcare system in the world. We should never allow it. The poor are covered now under Medicaid. That's the closest we need to a national healthcare system, it just needs proper funding. What Kerry proposes will cut benefits to employees who currently pay healthcare. Why should an employer pay half of insurance cost when the government is giving it for free? Corps don't care. They'll lower their cost and increase profits. In the meantime, middle America will lose.

Middle America will lose benefits. Healthcare will fall apart. Corporations will benefit. Stocks will grow. Profits will increase. Middle America meets Lower income America. The rich will prosper. I see nothing here for the people.

 

[Guest]

Kerry is not for a National Health Care system. Different system altogether.

And Bush doesn't give a fuck about middle America.

 

[shereads]

Re: Re: Re: Re: The President is a Slack-Jawed Monkey (NOT a political thread)

Ah, the Fox bimbo is mistaken.

CNN.com
George Bush 20% 59416 votes
John Kerry 78% 229276 votes
Evenly matched 2% 6260 votes
Total: 294952 votes

msn.com
Who won the debate?
Pres. Bush 32%
Sen. Kerry 68%

Fox News
Who won Friday night's presidential debate?
a. President Bush (49%) 141,369
b. Senator Kerry (50%) 146,356
c. I did not watch (1%) 1,438
d. None of the above (0%) 752
289,915 total votes

Ah, but here's the rub: It doesn't matter. After the first debate, polls showed that Kerry "won" the debate and Bush was still winning the election. The week before, a Washinton Post poll that was particularly mystifying showed that a majority of people rated Bush's performance as poor on one issue after the next, and the same majority planned to vote for him. Figure that one out and you can rule the world. I've begun to think that we're a nation of George W. Bushes wearing different heads and neckties. There's no other explanation for the continued willingness to entrust the fate of the world to a man with the brains of a plastic spork.

 

[Lord DragonsWing]

Then tell me what he meant by National Healthcare System? He keeps stating that over and over. And from his remarks and what I've seen. That's what he wants. What is his difference from the UK and other countries?

 

[Guest]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The President is a Slack-Jawed Monkey (NOT a political thread)

Ah, but here's the rub: It doesn't matter. After the first debate, polls showed that Kerry "won" the debate and Bush was still winning the election. The week before, a Washinton Post poll that was particularly mystifying showed that a majority of people rated Bush's performance as poor on one issue after the next, and the same majority planned to vote for him. Figure that one out and you can rule the world. I've begun to think that we're a nation of George W. Bushes wearing different heads and neckties. There's no other explanation for the continued willingness to entrust the fate of the world to a man with the brains of a plastic spork.

I love that - plastic spork. Can I add that to my siggie?

Don't despair. I'm just beginning to have hope about the election. I think the positive votes will come from the young, from the first-time voters.

So many more folks registering these days, so much more interest.

And there is still one more debate. You know the Bush handlers are cursing the fact they agreed to THREE debates for the shrub.

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

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... entrust the fate of the world to a man with the brains of a plastic spork.

Damn you shereads!

You sent me to the Wikipedia again.


http://en.wikipedia.org/upload/thumb/1/14/150px-Spork.png


The word spork is a combination of spoon and fork. It appeared in the 1909 supplement to the Century Dictionary, where it was described as a trade name and "a 'portmanteau-word' applied to a long, slender spoon having at the end of the bowl projections resembling the tines of a fork." A variation of the spork is the splade, which in addition to the overall spoon shape, and fork tines, has a somewhat sharp edge or blade on one or both sides.

 

[Guest]

Then tell me what he meant by National Healthcare System? He keeps stating that over and over. And from his remarks and what I've seen. That's what he wants. What is his difference from the UK and other countries?

Here's general info -

Kerry Health Care

But you must understand a major component of this issue. Bush doesn't understand, realize, or give a rat's ass about health care. He only does what his handlers tell him to do.

 

[shereads]

Okay, that's true shereads. But let me tell you a true story of National Healthcare in England. Patient goes in diagnosed with cancer. Under National Healthcare they would of been seen in 6 to 8 months. They had pvt insurance which paid and was seen in a week. Diagnosis-high risk cancer at an upper grade. The patient is now cancer free thanks to pvt insurance. If they'd of waited on National Heathcare, they would of died. The uterine was penetrated by the cancer. National Healthcare had a waiting list of months and wouldn't of covered the treatment to save their life.
There are many stories like this from every National Healthcare system in the world. We should never allow it. The poor are covered now under Medicaid. That's the closest we need to a national healthcare system, it just needs proper funding. What Kerry proposes will cut benefits to employees who currently pay healthcare. Why should an employer pay half of insurance cost when the government is giving it for free? Corps don't care. They'll lower their cost and increase profits. In the meantime, middle America will lose.

Middle America will lose benefits. Healthcare will fall apart. Corporations will benefit. Stocks will grow. Profits will increase. Middle America meets Lower income America. The rich will prosper. I see nothing here for the people.

I know you didn't read it, because you're still laboring under the delusion that George W. Bush gives a flying f**k about the people or has a clue what matters to them. Not to worry. Your boy will continue to have a majority in both houses of Congress, he'll have his chance at last to stack the Supreme Court with religious nuts and neocons, and all will be well.

"It just needs proper funding." Ya think? Someone should look into that.

 

[doormouse]

Nahhhhhhhhhhhh, I think both sputtered and squirmed an equal amount. The debate was a tie. I'll give Bush credit for his policies and Kerry credit for his. I don't believe in a national healthcare system so I won't vote for Kerry. Of course that's a political pipedream offered for the election. It'll never happen in the US. No one is about to let our healthcare system go that low.

Medicare is one of the most successful medical systems ever introduced here. Why can't it work there?

A medicare levy is taken out from tax... free medical. I honestly don't get your system.

We went to poll today. Go Howard, even though I can't stand the slimy jerk. Medicare is what makes healthcare affordable for most.

You can't say it 'won't' work until you try it.

 

[Lord DragonsWing]

I love the way everyone avoided the last question. That seems typical for Kerry fans. The same as this thread is labeled NOT POLITCAL. lmao
Wishy Washy again. So pull troops as Kerry says or not? National Healthcare system or not? No draft but more troops? Let's give tax cuts to the middle class and poor and raise taxes on the rich. That gives us how much? 800 billion by Kerry's figures? That still doesn't cover the 1.2 trillion his budget proposes.
Where's he going to get the troops if he doesn't draft? It's an all volunteer army. Where's he going to get the funds for his tax cuts while adding in a national healthcare system, increased troop strength, raising the pay of the military and increasing education.
He's crunched the numbers? With his record I don't trust him to stick with the numbers. He'll turn on the voters the sameway he did with his buddies in Nam and testify against them. He'll change the policys he's running on the sameway he's changed his vote many times in the Senate, when he shows up.
His record speaks for himself. That is his downfall.

 

[Guest]

I love the way everyone avoided the last question. That seems typical for Kerry fans. . . .

His record speaks for himself. That is his downfall.

How on earth can you say this? You always claim to be undecided (please) yet your loyalties have always been clear.

Please examine the records. The records of our President for the past four years.

My life and that of my family is certainly much worse than it was four years ago.

 

[shereads]

Medicare is one of the most successful medical systems ever introduced here. Why can't it work there?

A medicare levy is taken out from tax... free medical. I honestly don't get your system.

We went to poll today. Go Howard, even though I can't stand the slimy jerk. Medicare is what makes healthcare affordable for most.

You can't say it 'won't' work until you try it.

We've tried it. We have it. I can say it. It doesn't work.

We have overlapping bureaucracies, federal and private, that are so complicated and entrenched that money is spent redundantly and therefore wasted - to a degree that brings tears of glee to the readers of the annual reports of pharmaceutical companies and insurers. They helped elect GWB and were rewarded handsomely when he passed his so-called Medicare Reform act, which made it illegal for Medicare to seek competitively priced drugs from Canada. While they whine about how costly it is to research sophisticated new drugs, they spend more on television marketing than some countries spend on healthcare. Diseases go undiagnosed until it's too late because the system is too stressed to support preventive checkups and routine diagnostic care for the uninsured. Yes, healthcare is excellent in the U.S. for the people who can afford it and those of us who are lucky enough to have insurance - for the moment - paid in part by an employer. For the other 40 million, the system provides what it can on the little it has. Emergency rooms at public hospitals have become the primary care provider for uninsured families. The other options are less appealing.

 

[shereads]

Then tell me what he meant by National Healthcare System? He keeps stating that over and over. And from his remarks and what I've seen. That's what he wants. What is his difference from the UK and other countries?

Nevermind. Your vote has always been a foregone conclusion. I don't know what that little headgame was about regarding The Price of Loyalty, but you never had any intention of reading something so unfriendly to your world view, however well documented. You have the right to close your eyes to frightening truths about the people you've chosen to trust with all our lives. But why pretend?

 

[shereads]

Keeping an open mind. Very open. Empty, even.

DEBATE PARTICIPANTS STILL UNDECIDED

ST. LOUIS, Oct. 8 -- They were sitting on the fence before the debate, and after 90 minutes of lively conversation, they were moved. But only a little.

People who were selected to participate in Friday night's presidential debate at Washington University in St. Louis said they learned more about the issues, and the candidates, from the experience. Most interviewed said they gained newfound respect for President Bush and Sen. John F. Kerry. Yet few minds were made up about how they will vote in 3 1/2 weeks.

"I'm still undecided," said Pamela Walter, a public relations executive from nearby Clayton, Mo. "There weren't many direct answers to the things I cared about: the war, stem cell research."

"I thought it was a wonderful opportunity," said Elizabeth "Libby" Long, a nurse who asked Kerry a question. "But I still don't know who I'm going to vote for."

Solution: don't vote.

 

[Lord DragonsWing]

We've tried it. We have it. I can say it. It doesn't work.

We have overlapping bureaucracies, federal and private, that are so complicated and entrenched that money is spent redundantly and therefore wasted - to a degree that brings tears of glee to the readers of the annual reports of pharmaceutical companies and insurers. They helped elect GWB and were rewarded handsomely when he passed his so-called Medicare Reform act, which made it illegal for Medicare to seek competitively priced drugs from Canada. While they whine about how costly it is to research sophisticated new drugs, they spend more on television marketing than some countries spend on healthcare. Diseases go undiagnosed until it's too late because the system is too stressed to support preventive checkups and routine diagnostic care for the uninsured. Yes, healthcare is excellent in the U.S. for the people who can afford it and those of us who are lucky enough to have insurance - for the moment - paid in part by an employer. For the other 40 million, the system provides what it can on the little it has. Emergency rooms at public hospitals have become the primary care provider for uninsured families. The other options are less appealing.

The US has two forms of government sponsored healthcare. Medicaid and Medicare. Each are different and funded differently. The basic way to remember is Aid for the poor, Care for the elderly.

Many Medicaid clinics throughout the country take hours to get into. Most are government funded and without sufficent staff. Many times, patients have to return the next day just to be seen for a simple problem.

Will this improve with a National Healthcare system. No. I don't see it. Not as a nurse I don't. I see middle income america dropping they're premiums to come under the taxes they will have to pay for NHS. This will lead to lower care and increased waiting time for those who are already in the Medicaid system and the new arrivals of middle America. Each will now have to wait longer for procedures. Corp. America will no longer offer benefits to Middle America for private healthcare. If they do, it will decrease the income and make Middle America poorer.

Do the pharmaceuticals win by the Canadian law? At this time yes. But that will soon change no matter who is President. No matter who controls the House or the Senate, it should pass by the next legislature. Neither President will veto the bill since it's so popular.

So will National Healthcare help? Well think about this. Here, we all pay taxes on Medicare. Now, Kerry proposes a National Healthcare System. Taxes will increase to cover the poor and the elderly. The poor will have increased taxes on their minimum income to cover their own healthcare. Which they will have at below standards.

We're just lowering the poor to pay for a Kerry system of Healthcare that is going to be below standards. The poor will take home less due to the increased taxes . That will lead to a rise in crime to support families. We all will be making less than with GWB. And this country will be in alot of trouble.

 

[mismused]

I hate the feeling that I have to do this.

I love the way everyone avoided the last question. That seems typical for Kerry fans. The same as this thread is labeled NOT POLITCAL. lmao
Wishy Washy again. So pull troops as Kerry says or not? National Healthcare system or not? No draft but more troops? Let's give tax cuts to the middle class and poor and raise taxes on the rich. That gives us how much? 800 billion by Kerry's figures? That still doesn't cover the 1.2 trillion his budget proposes.
Where's he going to get the troops if he doesn't draft? It's an all volunteer army. Where's he going to get the funds for his tax cuts while adding in a national healthcare system, increased troop strength, raising the pay of the military and increasing education.
He's crunched the numbers? With his record I don't trust him to stick with the numbers. He'll turn on the voters the sameway he did with his buddies in Nam and testify against them. He'll change the policys he's running on the sameway he's changed his vote many times in the Senate, when he shows up.
His record speaks for himself. That is his downfall.

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I believe Kerry is coherent when he speaks, and Dubya is incoherent. Whatever a politician says, rather, promises, I pay it almost no heed. Does he seem like he's got something in his noggin is important.

Sorry, Dubya hasn't. Other than that, I've seen the fruit that's fallen from his tree, and it is rotten.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I'm an Independent voter, and haven't voted for a Republican or Democrat in ages. This year, I was going to vote against Dubya because of his rotten fruit, but after that first debate, I am voting FOR Kerry.

He at least sounds like he knows what it's about. Before the debates, I had no idea of what he sounded like. Frankly, I'm impressed. Now what he'll do, God only knows, but right now, I know what God knew before Dubya got the call, and it ain't good.

Sher, I agree with you, unfortunately, when you said that about all the polls showing Kerry better at just about everything, but the idiots saying they were voting for Dubya. Go figure.

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