The president does NOT have power over independent agencies

[Politruk]

Trump just issued an EO asserting expanded power over the independent agencies of the federal government.

Constitutionally, he does not have that power, and the courts have said so.

In-depth legal discussion here.

 

[Politruk]

This is really a cash grab.

If you understand the thievery that underpins this entire administration, you’ll understand that Trump’s recent executive order aimed at destroying independent regulatory agencies is an essential part of the overall plot. Independent regulatory agencies are things like the Securities and Exchange Commission, the Federal Trade Commission, and the Federal Elections Commission. These institutions were set up by Congress and are made up of commissioners appointed by the president. They are authorized to promote regulations over the industries and business sectors they oversee. They are the parts of the federal government most businesses interact with. They are the only real day-to-day check on unrestrained capitalism in our system of government.

Predictably, Trump and Musk want to destroy them, and the executive order accomplishes that by mandating that every single one of the agencies’ regulations and proposals must be routed through the Office of Management and Budget. That may sound like a bunch of bureaucratic mumbo-jumbo, but what it means is that these independent agencies will no longer be “independent.” It means that every single regulation in the country—from what disclosures have to be made to shareholders to how much broken glass is allowed to be in your childrens’ toys—are subject to the whims of the president, and the president alone. No hearings, no panel of experts, no opportunity for public comment—it’ll just be Donald Trump and a Sharpie deciding which regulations he feels like getting rid of today. And when Trump is too lazy or busy with his golf outings to do the work, it will fall to OMB director Russell Vought, who is literally the guy who came up with Project 2025.

For the kleptocrats, this order is their Holy Grail. It’s something they’ve been trying to do since Ronald Reagan’s administration. But for a lot of people who don’t understand what government does or how it works, getting rid of independent agencies doesn’t sound so bad. In fact, it’s extremely popular. Elon Musk has been running his mouth on his social media platform, railing against “unelected bureaucrats” (which is the height of hypocrisy given that he is now an unelected bureaucrat). He tells people that these bureaucrats slow down business and “innovation” with needless red tape. It’s an argument that almost always works on a certain kind of person, because most people dislike filling out forms and interacting with the government and generally having to ask permission before they do whatever it is they can think of to make a buck. We are a nation of grifters, run by grifters, and regulatory agencies only get in the way of the next pyramid scheme.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

The idea that government agencies can operate independently from the executive branch and Congress is about to be tested in the courts and may very well end up being decided by the Supreme Court.

 

[Rebel5soul]

A fourth branch of government is not permitted under our Constitution.

 

[butters]

'Ill-conceived': Trump hit with triple whammy as 3 judges rule against him in 2 hours

3 District Court judges, 2 DC and 1 Washington State, consecutively issued rulings against his YUGE executive actions, within the space of approx. 90 minutes

1: Judge Ali on the USAID payments that had already been ordered to be paid but trump had not complied
2: Judge Loren AliKhan issued a preliminary injunction against team trump's fed funding/grants pause

“In the simplest terms, the freeze was ill-conceived from the beginning. Defendants either wanted to pause up to $3 trillion in federal spending practically overnight, or they expected each federal agency to review every single one of its grants, loans, and funds for compliance in less than twenty-four hours. The breadth of that command is almost unfathomable,” she wrote, suspending the freeze indefinitely.

and no.3: Judge Whitehead blocking the freeze on refugee resettlement in the U.S

in his order, Whitehead wrote: his “actions amount to an effective nullification of congressional will in establishing the nation’s refugee admissions program. While the president has substantial discretion to suspend refugee admissions, that authority is not limitless.”

so these cases will now go for deeper examination by judges who will issue what is generally the final legal determination... of course, with trump, you can bet he'll try to push it all the way to SCOTUS with expectations his lapdogs will find in his favour. We'll see.

 

[Politruk]

A fourth branch of government is not permitted under our Constitution.

But Congress, not the president, decides how the executive branch shall be organized.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Reading comprehension is NOT Polyshitforbrains strong suit.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

The job of the President is to faithfully execute the laws passed by Congress.

If Donald Trump is incapable of doing that job he should resign right now.

 

[KingDJT]

Within the next couple weeks Congress is returning ALL POWER BACK TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH! THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE CONSTITUTION! Whatch what happens! Also maritime law is soon to be over! CONSTITUTIONAL LAW IS RETURNING! THE LAW OF THE LAND!! 100% TRUTH BY THE CONSTITUTIONANAL PRESIDENT!

 

[Politruk]

Within the next couple weeks Congress is returning ALL POWER BACK TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH! THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE CONSTITUTION!

You've never read The Federalist Papers, have you?

Also maritime law is soon to be over!

Why do you keep bringing up "maritime law"? It has no relevance to anyone who does not work in the shipping industry.

 

[KingDJT]

You are kidding right? The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA OPPERATES UNDER MARITIME LAW!!! Wake up.Jesus Christ!

 

[Politruk]

You are kidding right? The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA OPPERATES UNDER MARITIME LAW!!! Wake up.Jesus Christ!

That is a lie.

But a lot of idiots believe it.

 

[Rightguide]

Trump just issued an EO asserting expanded power over the independent agencies of the federal government.

Constitutionally, he does not have that power, and the courts have said so.

In-depth legal discussion here.

Those agencies aren't supported by the Constitution.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The job of the President is to faithfully execute the laws passed by Congress.

If Donald Trump is incapable of doing that job he should resign right now.

It's become pretty damned clear that Mango Mussolini has no interest in governing America in his second term. His objective was simply to "win" the election, so he could avoid a probable prison term. Zumi posted a clip yesterday of Trump saying he didn't really want JD Vance as a running mate, he wanted Elon...but Elon wasn't eligible. So he's done one of his trademark "deals" where everyone suffers accept him, Elon gets carte blanche to fuck up the federal government as he sees fit, while Trump pontificated on Fox 'n Friends and plays golf.

Meanwhile, the Republican Congress fucks over white trash America, as we saw last night. $1.60 per poor person per meal...I don't even think that buys you a fucking happy meal nowadays.

Golden Age of America

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

You are kidding right? The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA OPPERATES UNDER MARITIME LAW!!! Wake up.Jesus Christ!

You're not a citizen of the United States, so your opinion is immaterial.

 

[Politruk]

Those agencies aren't supported by the Constitution.

Congress is. Congress created the agencies -- and created them to be independent -- which it has the constitutional authority to do.

 

[Silvermen]

'Ill-conceived': Trump hit with triple whammy as 3 judges rule against him in 2 hours

3 District Court judges, 2 DC and 1 Washington State, consecutively issued rulings against his YUGE executive actions, within the space of approx. 90 minutes

1: Judge Ali on the USAID payments that had already been ordered to be paid but trump had not complied
2: Judge Loren AliKhan issued a preliminary injunction against team trump's fed funding/grants pause


and no.3: Judge Whitehead blocking the freeze on refugee resettlement in the U.S



so these cases will now go for deeper examination by judges who will issue what is generally the final legal determination... of course, with trump, you can bet he'll try to push it all the way to SCOTUS with expectations his lapdogs will find in his favour. We'll see.

They shop around and get Obama and Biden judges to do their bidding. It will take a year to go thru appeals. The Dems are slowing things down hoping to win back the majority in the mid terms. People are tired of the Dem bs.

 

[Rightguide]

It's become pretty damned clear that Mango Mussolini has no interest in governing America

Golden Age of America

In your world nothing is clear.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Those agencies aren't supported by the Constitution.

Are you going to do your patented "Enumerated Rights tap dance" now?
That was a trademark of your previous userid, Vetteman
Dance monkey dance!

 

[Politruk]

They shop around and get Obama and Biden judges to do their bidding. It will take a year to go thru appeals. The Dems are slowing things down hoping to win back the majority in the mid terms. People are tired of the Dem bs.

They're already tired of the GOP after one month. In 2026 there will be such a blue tsunami as we have not seen since FDR! No Pub's seat will be a safe one!

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

You're not a citizen of the United States, so your opinion is immaterial.

There are several Canadians on this board that opine on US politics. They don’t know what they’re talking about but this is a forum that’s open to all.

 

[RobDownSouth]

In your world nothing is clear.

What's clear is that the price of eggs is not going to rise 21% this year, as the USDA predicted last month.
The revised forecast calls for the price of eggs to rise 41% this year.

 

[Politruk]

Reading comprehension is NOT Polyshitforbrains strong suit.

My reading comprehension is much, much better than yours.

 

[Rightguide]

Are you going to do your patented "Enumerated Rights tap dance" now?
That was a trademark of your previous userid, Vetteman
Dance monkey dance!

I think you enjoy lying, with you it’s an art form, a twisted passion, a theatrical performance where you always play the lead. They don’t just lie; you sculpt alternative realities with your words, spinning intricate tales ad nauseam to the point where even truth doubts itself. I have nothing in common with the person you describe as "vetteman." My present username is the only name I've ever posted here under. What I pointed out has nothing to do with enumerated rights. It has more to do with Article II and the "vesting clause," which clearly you know nothing about.

 

[KingDJT]

They're already tired of the GOP after one month. In 2026 there will be such a blue tsunami as we have not seen since FDR! No Pub's seat will be a safe one!

Not sure where your gonna get your people but I'm pretty sure the majority are gonna be either locked up or dead! Treason, CRIMES against humanity and sedition aren't good for one's record! Like I said your gonna lose your fucking small little mind when the round up begins! It's gonna be so fun to watch! Wonder if PBS will carry it!