The popularity of older female / younger male stories

[Not2Pervy]

It seems to me that on average stories involving an older female paired with a younger male tend to yield noticeably higher views and even slightly higher ratings than older male / younger female. It’s most noticeable to me in the I/T and Mature categories, but perhaps this shows up in other categories too.

My question for the forum is have others observed this phenomenon (maybe I’m just wrong), and if so, why do you think that is?

Do these stories get more female readers without sacrificing much of the male audience? Is this pairing especially appealing to younger men in today’s society? What do y’all think?

 

[RejectReality]

Double standards.

An older woman pursuing a younger man is a Milf or a Cougar, and is celebrated in popular culture. An older man pursuing a younger woman is a creepy old man. A younger man going for an older woman is a player. A younger woman going for an older man is a golddigger.

 

[Nicenashguy615]

I wrote one of those stories under my other account and it was very well received. Later I wrote one with a guy in his 50s with a woman twenty years younger and it wasn’t well received at all.

I could be wrong but I think a lot of the harder sex stories are generally read more by guys and most guys I know absolutely love the idea of a young guy getting his brains fucked out by an older experienced woman. In my youth, I was fortunate enough to experience this and it forever ruined me to younger, immature girls.

Someone mentioned once that the reader wants to fantasize that it’s them in the story so what 20 year guy doesn’t want a 35 year old woman?

 

[LoneMilf]

I wrote one of those stories under my other account and it was very well received. Later I wrote one with a guy in his 50s with a woman twenty years younger and it wasn’t well received at all.

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Someone mentioned once that the reader wants to fantasize that it’s them in the story so what 20 year guy doesn’t want a 35 year old woman?

But if this is true, wouldn't the story with the 50 year old guy and the younger woman be even more attractive to the reader?

 

[YDB95]

I could be wrong but I think a lot of the harder sex stories are generally read more by guys and most guys I know absolutely love the idea of a young guy getting his brains fucked out by an older experienced woman. In my youth, I was fortunate enough to experience this and it forever ruined me to younger, immature girls.

Me too. My first time was with someone my own age and, like most first times, it sucked. My second time was with someone a little older and a lot more experienced, and it was beautiful. A lot of my female characters have bits of her in them.

 

[NotWise]

But if this is true, wouldn't the story with the 50 year old guy and the younger woman be even more attractive to the reader?

Older man/younger woman "smells like" nonconsent. Aside from a few readers who frequent NC/R, nonconsent is pretty unpopular on Lit.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

But if this is true, wouldn't the story with the 50 year old guy and the younger woman be even more attractive to the reader?

Gentlemen of my acquaintance say it takes a while to update fantasies. Their big fantasy when they were young and virginal and not getting any, was of either the hot girl in that class, or that hot teacher/friend's mom who could teach them the Way.

20 or 30 years later, in their dreams they're still young and nervous and wanting to be shown what to do/figure it out with Hetty Hotstuff. They might want a younger woman to prove they can, and some will dream of that, but most are having the same fantasies they had in high school, just updated in age slightly because teen girls are really annoying. Whereas the memory of Mrs X never wanes.

Sounds plausible.

 

[MillieDynamite]

And what's wrong with Golddiggers? Everyone has to make a living, don't they?

Double standards.

An older woman pursuing a younger man is a Milf or a Cougar, and is celebrated in popular culture. An older man pursuing a younger woman is a creepy old man. A younger man going for an older woman is a player. A younger woman going for an older man is a golddigger.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Older man/younger woman "smells like" nonconsent. Aside from a few readers who frequent NC/R, nonconsent is pretty unpopular on Lit.

A story only smells like non-consent if it's written that way. That's a fairly daft thing to say, frankly. Judgemental, even.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

Gentlemen of my acquaintance say it takes a while to update fantasies. Their big fantasy when they were young and virginal and not getting any, was of either the hot girl in that class, or that hot teacher/friend's mom who could teach them the Way.

20 or 30 years later, in their dreams they're still young and nervous and wanting to be shown what to do/figure it out with Hetty Hotstuff. They might want a younger woman to prove they can, and some will dream of that, but most are having the same fantasies they had in high school, just updated in age slightly because teen girls are really annoying. Whereas the memory of Mrs X never wanes.

Sounds plausible.

It does make sense. Add a dash of "recapturing their lost youth" and you have a winning formula.

 

[ronde]

It seems to me that on average stories involving an older female paired with a younger male tend to yield noticeably higher views and even slightly higher ratings than older male / younger female. It’s most noticeable to me in the I/T and Mature categories, but perhaps this shows up in other categories too.

My question for the forum is have others observed this phenomenon (maybe I’m just wrong), and if so, why do you think that is?

Do these stories get more female readers without sacrificing much of the male audience? Is this pairing especially appealing to younger men in today’s society? What do y’all think?

I've written stories on both themes and my experience is the same. I think the reason for the popularity of the young guy/older gal is a fantasy caused by the fact that guys, at least guys of my age, didn't get a lot of instructions about sex other than tab A goes into slot B and always used a rubber. Girls were got more of an education and a lot of that education was "not until your married or you'll be sorry for the rest of your life". That made young girls basically out of the question, while older women knew what to do, how to do it, and how to avoid those unplanned consequences.

The reason for the lower scores for the older guy/young gal stories is there is still a societal bias about couples like that. The guy is either trying to prove that he's still young enough to be a stud or he's a pedophile, and the gal is looking for a sugar daddy.

I do enjoy writing stories where the older woman falls in love with the younger man and tries to avoid the feeling but can't. I think that's more representative of most older man/young woman relationships.

 

[NotWise]

A story only smells like non-consent if it's written that way. That's a fairly daft thing to say, frankly. Judgemental, even.

It's based on reader comments I've read, and yes some readers are daft. Some people (male and female) can be triggered by anything they interpret as non-consent.

Dad/Daughter is the I/T version of older man/younger woman. I've read very little of that type, but my understanding is that it's generally less popular than either Mom/Son or Brother/Sister.

 

[Not2Pervy]

The most interesting thing to be about this phenomenon here on Lit is that it seems to the opposite of what tends to predominate in more mainstream media culture and in (what I think is) most people’s lived experience. Is that something unique about Lit, or of erotica in general? Or maybe it’s simply a case of, even though it’s changing, mainstream media decisions being dominated by powerful older men.

 

[Not2Pervy]

To me, not to be.

 

[NotWise]

The most interesting thing to be about this phenomenon here on Lit is that it seems to the opposite of what tends to predominate in more mainstream media culture and in (what I think is) most people’s lived experience. Is that something unique about Lit, or of erotica in general? Or maybe it’s simply a case of, even though it’s changing, mainstream media decisions being dominated by powerful older men.

Maybe we're learning something the mainstream hasn't caught on to.

 

[Comshaw]

It seems to me that on average stories involving an older female paired with a younger male tend to yield noticeably higher views and even slightly higher ratings than older male / younger female. It’s most noticeable to me in the I/T and Mature categories, but perhaps this shows up in other categories too.

My question for the forum is have others observed this phenomenon (maybe I’m just wrong), and if so, why do you think that is?

Do these stories get more female readers without sacrificing much of the male audience? Is this pairing especially appealing to younger men in today’s society? What do y’all think?

I've written both types and from the scores they have I can't see any difference between the two types. All of them of both types are within .1 in vote scores. Because of that limited empirical observation of a very tiny set of stories I really can't declare that one is more popular than the other.

Comshaw

 

[Kelliezgirl]

Don't count out the female reader perspective.
I suspect our demographic skews older and I'd bet a middle aged woman is more interested in a story where a young stud is madly in love with an older woman than one where a 20 year old girl is chasing an older guy.

 

[TheRedChamber]

Gentlemen of my acquaintance say it takes a while to update fantasies. Their big fantasy when they were young and virginal and not getting any, was of either the hot girl in that class, or that hot teacher/friend's mom who could teach them the Way.

The main change I've found is the insertion of the 'yummy mummy' category between 'young ladies' and 'MILFs.' Before anyone asks, the difference is that a MILF is a mother of a friend of yours and you are of course of an acceptable age to have Literotica fantasies and she was, of course, of a suitable Literotica age to have the friend, putting her at an absolute minimum age of 36 but probably comfortably 40s. A YM will be pushing a pram. It's probably fairly easy to explain from an evolutionary attraction point of view but 'having bred successfully' and 'still having time for a few more' has suddenly become way more attractive to me than it would have been when I was 18.

More simply, I've been spending too much time waiting at the school gates to pick up my own progeny.

They might want a younger woman to prove they can, and some will dream of that, but most are having the same fantasies they had in high school, just updated in age slightly because teen girls are really annoying. Whereas the memory of Mrs X never wanes.

I'd say we all want the younger woman (*obligatory proclivaties and kinks vary disclaimer). In terms of porn 18-25 is never not going to be attractive. And in fantasy/Literotica that's also hot, but why not also deage ourselves to our prime as well and remove a few pounds add a few inches in the process.

Double standards.

An older woman pursuing a younger man is a Milf or a Cougar, and is celebrated in popular culture. An older man pursuing a younger woman is a creepy old man. A younger man going for an older woman is a player. A younger woman going for an older man is a golddigger.

I'm going to post the Leonardo Dicaprio dating age chart because it will never not be funny.



I feel like there's been a sea-change in attitude toward this. There was obviously a lot of genuinely disturbing under-age stuff going on in the 1970s with male stars. These days though I see a lot of the younger generation posting that it is 'gross' when a 40 year-old man dates a 25 year-old woman. As a male of the 1980s, I look at this and think 'yup, that's how the world's most eligable (and permanent) bachelor is going to date'. These woman are adults and presumably not exactly struggling in the dating scene themselves. To quote Joni Mitchell - "Grow up," I cried. "Give me one good reason why."

teen girls are really annoying.

I'll let you in on a secret. So is my wife.
(Sorry, I don't know what came over me. I turned into Bob Monkhouse there for a moment. My wife is of course lovely)

 

[SimonDoom]

This is a good illustration of how one must separate erotic fantasy from the real world. They're two different realms. In the real world, men are more likely to want to be with younger women. But in the fantasy world, there's an enduring fascination with the older woman. It's true in the Incest/Taboo category, where mom-son incest is the most popular (by far) and in the mature category. Maybe it's an Oedipal thing. I don't know. I know from the response to my stories that there is an extremely powerful interest among male readers in stories about young men and older women.

 

[Rob_Royale]

The older woman/ younger man story is my stock in trade. I've found the readers to be very appreciative of those characters finding happiness together. I have no data beyond that.

 

[HotflixLust]

Older women younger men pairing is the most sought after one because of the huge fascination after the milf/cougar fetish. Apart from that there is an incipient mother son incest taboo, a sort of Oedipus complex hidden urge in the minds of young readers.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

I don't think that the ages matter so long as the woman is the aggressor.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

The main change I've found is the insertion of the 'yummy mummy' category between 'young ladies' and 'MILFs.' Before anyone asks, the difference is that a MILF is a mother of a friend of yours and you are of course of an acceptable age to have Literotica fantasies and she was, of course, of a suitable Literotica age to have the friend, putting her at an absolute minimum age of 36 but probably comfortably 40s. A YM will be pushing a pram. It's probably fairly easy to explain from an evolutionary attraction point of view but 'having bred successfully' and 'still having time for a few more' has suddenly become way more attractive to me than it would have been when I was 18.

More simply, I've been spending too much time waiting at the school gates to pick up my own progeny.

It was a pleasant surprise how much flirting I got once I acquired progeny, but also how polite it was compared to the aggressive cat-calling and all of my youth.

Though the school gates weren't much for talent. I guess most people don't scrub up well for 8.45am. Not down our way anyhow.

I feel like there's been a sea-change in attitude toward this. There was obviously a lot of genuinely disturbing under-age stuff going on in the 1970s with male stars. These days though I see a lot of the younger generation posting that it is 'gross' when a 40 year-old man dates a 25 year-old woman.

It's the most enormous change. In the 80s and 90s it was still normal for 14yo girls to go clubbing, 16yos to have boyfriends in their 30s or older. All stemming from the idea that a man had to be old enough to have an income, and a girl ought to be seeking a chap with stability, so an age gap was normal and desirable. And now, the old mantra of 'half his age plus seven' is considered creepy if she's under 21.

Tough one to explain to the offspring. No, my uncles aren't paedos, thank you (though there was a shotgun wedding with a shotgun, they had nearly 60 happy years of marriage). Nor is Darcy or those nice doctors in those school stories...

I'll let you in on a secret. So is my wife.
(Sorry, I don't know what came over me. I turned into Bob Monkhouse there for a moment. My wife is of course lovely)

 

[RejectReality]

I don't think that the ages matter so long as the woman is the aggressor.

My experience with older woman/younger man is that the man being the aggressor performs better in that particular coupling. Flip to older man/younger woman and I've got no data, because I've always put the younger woman in control of the seduction.

 

[SimonDoom]

One obvious reason why it's so popular, of course, is that it's the most taboo. Historically, older man-younger woman has seemed more natural, and it's still more common. Pairing the younger man and older woman also matches them at their sexual peaks-- the horny young man and the horny mature MILF. Never underestimate the sexual appeal of the forbidden.