The Pope

[scheherazade_79]

This might offend a lot of people. Unfortunately, like the Pope, I don't give a flying fuck. I needed to get it off my chest.

On a more positive note, the AH has been pretty sedentary recently. This is probably the equivalent of stirring those murky waters.

It kind of follows what's been going on in the news - except it's what I wish had happened

I'll probably be in a blissful and innocent state of sleep by the time the shit hits the fan

1. Click here

2. Log in as romantic_sunrise@yahoo.ie

3. The password is literotica

4. Click on the Benedict Word doc

 

[Liar]

So what did I gain from this?

1. Fifteen minutes of quality enterainment. Thanks Sch!

2. The knowledge that my MS Word marks "turds" as a typo.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

So, is this what you get when you elect a pope who started out in the Hitler Youth? Never liked him. Never will.

 

[Oblimo]

The man does look like he could shoot Dark Force lightning from his fingertips, doesn't he?

But, I must confess that the man did give an accurate description of the Islamist-style agitprop advocated by a handful Umayyad Caliphs a thousand some-odd years ago.

 

[Ootpic]

Interesting.

From that document am I to infer that Islam is a bad religion because a few quotes out of context appear to promote barbaric behaviour?



"And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God..." (Deuteronomy 13: 5)

"And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. And the LORD said unto Moses, 'Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.'" (Numbers 25:3-4)

"Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." (I Samuel 15:2-3)

"And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and woman: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house." (Ezekiel 9:5-6)

"The righteous shall rejoice when he sees the vengeance. He shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked." (Psalms 58:10)



There is more, but I am getting weary.

 

[JustaJerk]

A humorous read!

Very good Sheh. I got quite a few good chuckles from it.

Question though. In the picture under the "Big Ben Blisses Out" section, which one are you?

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

Warning: Political!

I kinda like the pope for political/philosopical reasons that are explained in this post: https://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=18914570&postcount=23, in particular the Weigel piece that is hyperlinked there.

 

[Pure]

OTOH, roxanne,

you might disagree with a main theme of the Pope's speech as reported: that the West was too much ruled by Reason (and too little by faith).

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someone should post a link to the damn thing.

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

you might disagree with a main theme of the Pope's speech as reported: that the West was too much ruled by Reason (and too little by faith).

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someone should post a link to the damn thing.

Hell, Pure, I'm an atheist Objectivist - there are all kinds of things I disagree with the pope about! Where he and I do agree, and you differ I think, is that there is such a thing as truth that is knowable, and there are certain moral precepts that apply to all humans in all times and places. Needless to say we disagree profoundly about the details of these things, and the source of our values is radically different, but to that extent we have something in common.

(BTW, that's as far as I care to go on this issue on this thread - we should save the politicals for overtly political threads. Plus I don't have the time right now to dive into any involved debate. That said, please do clarify if I have mis-stated your view, not that you need my invitation to do so.)

 

[Pure]

yes, roxanne, i'm aware that both you and the pope claim certainty--to have 'objective truth' by the tail, and that both of you assert that your respective moral principles are 'objective,' given in Nature, and knowable by Reason. yet these certainties and principles differ.

to my knowledge, neither of you have specified the evidence which the rest of us should consider in order to objectively decide who--if either-- is correct.

 

[matriarch]

This might offend a lot of people. Unfortunately, like the Pope, I don't give a flying fuck. I needed to get it off my chest.

On a more positive note, the AH has been pretty sedentary recently. This is probably the equivalent of stirring those murky waters.

It kind of follows what's been going on in the news - except it's what I wish had happened

I'll probably be in a blissful and innocent state of sleep by the time the shit hits the fan

1. Click here

2. Log in as romantic_sunrise@yahoo.ie

3. The password is literotica

4. Click on the Benedict Word doc

There are times when you actually sadden me. This is one of them.

 

[scheherazade_79]

Mat, I'm sorry I saddened you, really I am

This wasn't an attack against Islam, neither was it an attack against Christianity -it was an attack against the unbending religious extremism that's making an absolute mess of the world.

Ootpic, thank you for the Biblical quotes - they strengthen my case even further. I really believe it's time that religion stepped out of the political arena, because at this rate the whole armageddon theme is going to turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I don't like it that I worry about my friends whenever they fly somewhere, just because of other people's religious beliefs. Neither do I like it when I turn on the news and see overpopulated third world countries, where people are dying of Aids and starving to death, just because of a religious belief that it's wrong to use condoms.

Religion is fine, but when it becomes so extreme that people's lives are being destroyed as a result of it, I think I'm perfectly justified in lampooning it - and I can't apologise for the fact that I did.

 

[O'Mac]

So, is this what you get when you elect a pope who started out in the Hitler Youth? Never liked him. Never will.

Yeah, which would be interesting and all if you consider that...

Firstly, the Pope is only elected by a small council of the College of Cardinals not by all Catholics belonging to the church as you have implied.

Secondly, every adolescent boy in Germany after 1936 was mandatorily conscripted into the Hitler Youth until the German ceasefire in 1945. He was later drafted whilst in seminary to an anti-aircraft unit of the German army in 1943.

Now that we have corrected your mistakes, I ask you: How much of the current pope's life did you follow before he took the papacy? I mean, you said that you never liked him, but did you even know who he was before his election?

How to win an argument- Research the subject matter and utilize logic and reason to convey your point of view.

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

yes, roxanne, i'm aware that both you and the pope claim certainty--to have 'objective truth' by the tail, and that both of you assert that your respective moral principles are 'objective,' given in Nature, and knowable by Reason. yet these certainties and principles differ.

to my knowledge, neither of you have specified the evidence which the rest of us should consider in order to objectively decide who--if either-- is correct.

My evidence is that existance exists. There is something, not nothing, and there is a "me" who perceives it. Sorry I don't have time to dive into extensive back-and-forth and fleshing `that out; I do hate to be rude, but I just can't afford the time.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

Yeah, which would be interesting and all if you consider that...

Firstly, the Pope is only elected by a small council of the College of Cardinals not by all Catholics belonging to the church as you have implied.

Secondly, every adolescent boy in Germany after 1936 was mandatorily conscripted into the Hitler Youth until the German ceasefire in 1945. He was later drafted whilst in seminary to an anti-aircraft unit of the German army in 1943.

Now that we have corrected your mistakes, I ask you: How much of the current pope's life did you follow before he took the papacy? I mean, you said that you never liked him, but did you even know who he was before his election?

How to win an argument- Research the subject matter and utilize logic and reason to convey your point of view.

The papist speaks.

 

[Pure]

hmmm

Rox My evidence* is that existance exists.

*That Ayn Rand's Objectivism is THE objectively correct philosophy, and all others are in error.

P: So does foolishness.

And even bad spelling.

But I'll convey this to the pope; I'm sure he'll be ringing up the Ayn Rand Institute to join up, any minute.

ADDED: As you might know from any study of logic or philosophy, simple tautologies are not evidence for anything. No possible, substantive, meaningful claim is supported or strengthened by bringing forth the point "existence exists" any more than by stating "A dog is a canine."

 

[O'Mac]

The papist speaks.

Oh, that is rich indeed! You assume that because I'm correcting your errors in your argument, I must be catholic myself. I guess it probably never occurred to you that anyone would simply call you out for your errors. Your self-righteousness is amusing to me.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

I've noticed that anti-Catholicism is tolerated on this board in a way that anti-semitism or anti-paganism or anti-anything-else-ism would probably never be.

I just wonder why that is.

 

[Lisa Denton]

I've noticed that anti-Catholicism is tolerated on this board in a way that anti-semitism or anti-paganism or anti-anything-else-ism would probably never be.

I just wonder why that is.

Hi Dr. M.

I just read in the news that in Somalia they shot a nun in the back and killed her, and they think its related to all this pope quotes crap.

You know, I think peoples will accept hostile anti-catholic verbal assaults but when these fanatics gunned down a nun they have lost any chance they had to make rational peoples see thier point of view.

I gotta go throw up.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

Oh, that is rich indeed! You assume that because I'm correcting your errors in your argument, I must be catholic myself. I guess it probably never occurred to you that anyone would simply call you out for your errors. Your self-righteousness is amusing to me.

"I never wanted to be a nazi. Everyone was doing it in 1935. I only followed orders." Adolph Eichman -1961

Since Pope Benedict "left" (odd word from Wikapedia) the german army he went to Seminary School. Then he was a Theology Professor at the University of Munic, then Bonn then another Universtiy in Bavaria. After that he was Archbishop of Munic. Then he went to the Vatican where he was dean of the college of cardinals and protector of the faith. Oh, by the way, did you know his father was characterized as a "major politician" in germany between 1932 and 1941? Who was in power in germany then?

Yes. I do know all about his history and about his right-wing fanaticism. None of this changes the fact that he has no grip on the realities of either the Middle East or International Politics.

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

I've noticed that anti-Catholicism is tolerated on this board in a way that anti-semitism or anti-paganism or anti-anything-else-ism would probably never be.

I just wonder why that is.

It's not just this board, and it goes deeper than you suggest. Although I fear starting World War III if I say it, what appears not to be tolerated by the militantly tolerant is any confident expression of a belief that life has a purpose, a belief in individual efficacy, or a belief in truth, beauty, and goodness. The miltantly tolerant believe that such expressions must never be allowed to stand, but must be challenged and denied wherever they appear and in whatever form.

 

[elsol]

I've noticed that anti-Catholicism is tolerated on this board in a way that anti-semitism or anti-paganism or anti-anything-else-ism would probably never be.

I just wonder why that is.

Because Catholics haven't been 'martyred' in serious numbers for a few thousand years.

6 million dead jews a few decades ago? It's going to be a while before we can bash them. Right now, the anti-islam thing doesn't work out well 'cause it makes you seem like a rabid war-monger.

Being Catholic and not particularly in any mood to be fed to lions... go ahead and bash away.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

It's not just this board, and it goes deeper than you suggest. Although I fear starting World War III if I say it, what appears not to be tolerated by the militantly tolerant is any confident expression of a belief that life has a purpose, a belief in individual efficacy, or a belief in truth, beauty, and goodness. These must never be allowed to stand, but must be challenged and denied wherever they appear and in whatever form.

Good morning, Roxanne

Your post seems as though those qualities (a belief that life has purpose, individual efficacy, truth, beautiy and goodness) applies to the Catholic church. In a few ways I agree, but when the Catholic Church takes it upon itself to dictate you personal efficacy or define what truth is in their own terms then I have a problem. I would point to the abortion issue and the Catholic Church's politicising elections in Italy and elsewhere as enough proof of their meddling in effecacy and truth for their own purposes.

 

[Pure]

what appears not to be tolerated by the militantly tolerant is any confident expression of a belief that life has a purpose, a belief in individual efficacy, or a belief in truth, beauty, and goodness. These must never be allowed to stand, but must be challenged and denied wherever they appear and in whatever form.

time to line these damned relativists up against the wall and let them taste the 'objective' reality of hot lead. then see if they 'stand.'

for purposeful, deliberate error cannot be countered by rational argument or even sincere attempts at persuasion. nor is it deflected by kindness. self aware deliberate evil must be cut off from life (as it is, in the long run, anyway.).

 

[elsol]

what appears not to be tolerated by the militantly tolerant is any confident expression of a belief that life has a purpose, a belief in individual efficacy, or a belief in truth, beauty, and goodness. These must never be allowed to stand, but must be challenged and denied wherever they appear and in whatever form.

time to line these damned relativists up against the wall and let them taste the 'objective' reality of hot lead. then see if they 'stand.'

for purposeful, deliberate error cannot be countered by rational argument or even sincere attempts at persuasion. nor is it deflected by kindness. self aware deliberate evil must be cut off from life (as it is, in the long run, anyway.).

Being a relativist (No it doesn't interfere with my Catholicism)... I'd like to volunteer NOT to be lined up against a wall... thank you very much... just feel free to bash me from that angle too instead.