the pap test

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I just composed a poem:

My Hand Controller Shakes on its Own

Billy was a strange ranger
became a pastor, passes out
snakes and strychnine.
Verily, he speaks in tongues
but it all sounds like the Bird is the Word
and Rama-Lama-Ding-Dong.
I blame it all on Donkey Kong.
Billy just had to get to the next level
in the great video game of God.

clearly, without saying much, it is better than half of new poems. I realize it is not going to tickle many "poetic cuttlebones". It sounds OK, cue- it is sarcastic so a shift is required from normal voicing. Despite it being loaded, why would I consider it pap?
First what works. The off page references, song and video game titles support.
There is a slight shift, "I blame it all on Donkey Kong" it does not go straight though.
I start talking about a strange religion shift it to video games and tie it together in the last two lines.

The shift is a very important trick, learn it. It is more important than assonance, which anybody can make of.:rolleyes:

Why is it pap?
1.) There really isn't anything that unusual in the wording that sets it off.
2.) It only does one thing. In my defense, there are another three lines that add something more to this section, which in context to the greater whole, will play a part of character definition. This is the same thing you want to do for either poetry or prose. You need to go back, read it and add or subtract accordingly.

My question is are you as ruthless on your own work, as you would be on someone else's. You should be even more so.
Catch my drift, multiple submitters.

Well enough talk about me&you.

The Shift:
This person rarely wrote pap and was a master of the shift. She had very strong lines but had the good sense not to overwhelm you. Her shift often generates two views, one straight on, the other like a Goya painting.

WickedEve
Check her out, it may cost you your soul (but looking around:cool:) it may be worth it just to learn a few things. It took me two years to figure it out, and here I am pointing the way.
 
I just composed a poem:

My Hand Controller Shakes on its Own

Billy was a strange ranger
became a pastor, passes out
snakes and strychnine.
Verily, he speaks in tongues
but it all sounds like the Bird is the Word
and Rama-Lama-Ding-Dong.
I blame it all on Donkey Kong.
Billy just had to get to the next level
in the great video game of God.

clearly, without saying much, it is better than half of new poems. I realize it is not going to tickle many "poetic cuttlebones". It sounds OK, cue- it is sarcastic so a shift is required from normal voicing. Despite it being loaded, why would I consider it pap?
First what works. The off page references, song and video game titles support.
There is a slight shift, "I blame it all on Donkey Kong" it does not go straight though.
I start talking about a strange religion shift it to video games and tie it together in the last two lines.

The shift is a very important trick, learn it. It is more important than assonance, which anybody can make of.:rolleyes:

Why is it pap?
1.) There really isn't anything that unusual in the wording that sets it off.
2.) It only does one thing. In my defense, there are another three lines that add something more to this section, which in context to the greater whole, will play a part of character definition. This is the same thing you want to do for either poetry or prose. You need to go back, read it and add or subtract accordingly.

My question is are you as ruthless on your own work, as you would be on someone else's. You should be even more so.
Catch my drift, multiple submitters.

Well enough talk about me&you.

The Shift:
This person rarely wrote pap and was a master of the shift. She had very strong lines but had the good sense not to overwhelm you. Her shift often generates two views, one straight on, the other like a Goya painting.

WickedEve
Check her out, it may cost you your soul (but looking around:cool:) it may be worth it just to learn a few things. It took me two years to figure it out, and here I am pointing the way.

When you put it like that, it's not unlike techniques and tricks in drawing that fool the hobbyist but are just a few tricks in the draughtsman's toolbox.

I am a fan of WickedEve. Rather miss her because she wrote some great stuff.
 
Many of my favorite poems have that "shift" you speak of and also tie it all together with a clever last line. I'm fond of shorter poems that are able to do
this so succinctly. Thank you for sharing this and breaking it down as you did.
 
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I just composed a poem:

My Hand Controller Shakes on its Own

Billy was a strange ranger
became a pastor, passes out
snakes and strychnine.
Verily, he speaks in tongues
but it all sounds like the Bird is the Word
and Rama-Lama-Ding-Dong.
I blame it all on Donkey Kong.
Billy just had to get to the next level
in the great video game of God.

L4 is great, particularly when followed by l5. Starting with "Verily" and ending with the "Word" isn't lost on me and just adds to the satire IMO. The title also reminds me of being "slain in the spirit" all aquiver.

I'll probably be singing "The Bird is the Word" to myself until a minute past midnight tonight, although I have to get up at dawn.

PS: You must be clairvoyant. I've been drafting a satirical poem for the last week about how a late night TV infomercial is portrayed like a religious experience. So I hope you don't think I'm plagiarizing.
 
Many of my favorite poems have that "shift" you speak of and also tie it all together with a clever last line. I'm fond of shorter poems that are able to do
this so succintly. Thank you for sharing this and breaking it down as you did.
Its pretty common, its really human nature, it breaks up boredom. That type of shift is almost a must in comedy. BTW, four posts in I'm already off topic. Thank You. For the Jack Prelutsky post.
In 2006 The Poetry Foundation honored him as its first Children's Poet Laureate "
I see you already visited greenmountaineer's poem, :rose: if I had only known what he was talking about, I might have picked up on the time "shift", there he tries to match the word choice with the age. He does his homework. I just wasn't up on it. Well that's just another problem poets have to deal with - off page referential material.
 
L4 is great, particularly when followed by l5. Starting with "Verily" and ending with the "Word" isn't lost on me and just adds to the satire IMO. The title also reminds me of being "slain in the spirit" all aquiver.

I'll probably be singing "The Bird is the Word" to myself until a minute past midnight tonight, although I have to get up at dawn.

PS: You must be clairvoyant. I've been drafting a satirical poem for the last week about how a late night TV infomercial is portrayed like a religious experience. So I hope you don't think I'm plagiarizing.
that would really set me nuts it someone confused you with me, I'm still laughing.
I really would wonder where they came from. Other than the same concern for the art, I can't think of any two more opposite approaches. Anyway, I'll have to work to get mine up, I look forward to yours.
 
L4 is great, particularly when followed by l5. Starting with "Verily" and ending with the "Word" isn't lost on me and just adds to the satire IMO. The title also reminds me of being "slain in the spirit" all aquiver.

I'll probably be singing "The Bird is the Word" to myself until a minute past midnight tonight, although I have to get up at dawn.

PS: You must be clairvoyant. I've been drafting a satirical poem for the last week about how a late night TV infomercial is portrayed like a religious experience. So I hope you don't think I'm plagiarizing.
the video game was the bitch, what in the hell where they playing back in the time referenced, that most people would know. I thank family guy for the "The Bird is the Word", it just helps so much more if you heard the song, even if you didn't I think I could squeek by with the title.
I really am sorry to do that do you, GMM, but now now it's running through my head.
Oh the vision, I can' t go on, thanks GMM I owe you.
I can't type
 
just a fly-by 'good morning' to you guys before i head out the door. :rose:

as for pap, you have a point but you are also correct that it's better than plenty we see submitted and published. and that's kind of sad. still - i have to get my backside into gear and out the door. busy day. laters :kiss:
 
Pap
–noun​
1.
soft food for infants or invalids, as bread soaked in water or milk.
2.
an idea, talk, book, or the like, lacking substance or real value.

In this case, I understood more than I thought I did. There is little need for self criticism in this world. There are plenty of people willing to do this for you.

I think you were harder than necessary on the author. I am quite familiar with the snakes and strychnine culture and the speaking in tongues does sound like "Bird is the Word and Rama-Lama-Ding-Dong."

There is a subsurface competition among some of them to be the most "possessed in the spirit" and they do try to get to the next level.
 
In this case, I understood more than I thought I did. There is little need for self criticism in this world. There are plenty of people willing to do this for you.

I think you were harder than necessary on the author. I am quite familiar with the snakes and strychnine culture and the speaking in tongues does sound like "Bird is the Word and Rama-Lama-Ding-Dong."

There is a subsurface competition among some of them to be the most "possessed in the spirit" and they do try to get to the next level.
The cool thing about self criticism, is after you get over angry, the guy will always buy you a coffee, give you one his cigarettes, hell sometimes you even wind up sleeping with him. Sex is boring and a little repetitious. The conversations never are.
 
Jack Prelutsky

Its pretty common, its really human nature, it breaks up boredom. That type of shift is almost a must in comedy. BTW, four posts in I'm already off topic. Thank You. For the Jack Prelutsky post.
In 2006 The Poetry Foundation honored him as its first Children's Poet Laureate "
I see you already visited greenmountaineer's poem, :rose: if I had only known what he was talking about, I might have picked up on the time "shift", there he tries to match the word choice with the age. He does his homework. I just wasn't up on it. Well that's just another problem poets have to deal with - off page referential material.

In our home we have two of Jack Prelutsky's books. We love to take them with us when we camp in the Rockies..**** to read around the campfire! Although my kids aren't "little" anymore, they still love his silly rhymes. So do I! :)

Greenmountaineer is a fantastic poet! I hope to stretch my writing wings here a bit, as I believe I can learn much from those around me. I have greatly appreciated your feedback. Thank you!
 
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