The only way to end corruption at the IRS is to

Ishmael

Literotica Guru
Joined
Nov 24, 2001
Posts
84,005
fundamentally change the tax system. As it is currently constituted the IRS will always be susceptible to undo political influence. The system, as it exists today, is rife with inequities and capricious administration of the codes. It is so complex, confusing, and intrusive that even the IRS is unable to correctly administer the code in certain common situations. (This test has been performed annually by various groups with the same results, call 10 (variable number) 'help line' representatives with a tax question and get 10 different answers.) The current tax code is over 4 million words in length and consumes approx. 6 billion hours of taxpayers time, annually, to comply. Is it any wonder that even the IRS doesn't understand the code they are chartered to enforce?

Corporations, both large and small, get to determine what their tax liability is (profit) by various spending and bookkeeping techniques, whereas the individual taxpayer has their tax liability (profit) determined for them by arbitrary income thresholds.

The root of the problem is the 'individual income tax' paradigm under which the government collects the taxes to begin with. This type of system is necessarily intrusive and wide open to political abuse.

The purpose of taxation is to fund the legitimate operations of government. Obviously we can argue what 'legitimate operations' are until pigs fly, but that is determined by the federal budget which is determined by the elected representatives, all of whom are subject to the whims of the voters. The purpose of taxation is NOT to arbitrarily punish, or reward, any selected constituent group. As soon as you go down that road you necessarily create a political beast, a beast virtually impossible to control and openly subject to abuse.

Surely there's a better way to collect taxes while severely limiting the possibility of political abuse.

Ishmael
 
There are hundreds of wayt to simplify the tax code, people just don't agree on them. Let's put the capital gains tax rate back in line with income tax as it has been for most of American history - simple!

But then suddenly conservatives don't want simple anymore. See how that works?
 
That is why the Left will fight, literally, to the death to keep it.

For them taxation always was, is and will remain a political tool.

:eek:

FairTax.org

Now, we see also that the IRS has stolen millions of medical records.

This too, with the tacit approval of the Left, who knows better how to manage our affairs as a 'commune-ity?'
 
Historian Thomas Fleming observed that tax collectors and jails were the first order of business for the Congress after independence was achieved.
 
There are hundreds of wayt to simplify the tax code, people just don't agree on them. Let's put the capital gains tax rate back in line with income tax as it has been for most of American history - simple!

But then suddenly conservatives don't want simple anymore. See how that works?

All capital gains does is tax the inflation that government creates.
 
It also reduces the Investment Capital pool and it is a double-taxation, but as merc points out, this is where the Left takes out their frustrations with their lot in life, by attacking those they deem as more successful, because, it has to be a result of corruption, crime or birth and they must be brought down to size in the name of Social Justice and the concept of "fairness."

;) ;)

However, it is clear that the only way to treat everyone fairly is to blindfold the statue of the tax collector exactly as we blindfold the statue of Justice.

If you ask your government to treat someone "fairly," the only way it can ever accomplish that task is to treat someone "unfairly."
A_J, the Stupid
 
That is why the Left will fight, literally, to the death to keep it.

For them taxation always was, is and will remain a political tool.
'


The tax code is a political tool for both parties. And a social one for both parties.
 
It also reduces the Investment Capital pool and it is a double-taxation, but as merc points out, this is where the Left takes out their frustrations with their lot in life, by attacking those they deem as more successful, because, it has to be a result of corruption, crime or birth and they must be brought down to size in the name of Social Justice and the concept of "fairness."

;) ;)

However, it is clear that the only way to treat everyone fairly is to blindfold the statue of the tax collector exactly as we blindfold the statue of Justice.

If you ask your government to treat someone "fairly," the only way it can ever accomplish that task is to treat someone "unfairly."
A_J, the Stupid


Someone took me off iggy. :rolleyes:

If capital gains tax is double taxation then so is income tax. After all your paycheck is only what your employer gives you after multiple taxes and then you're taxed again upon receiving it.

Ish - see what I mean? Everyone has their own justification for having a mulitude of facets to the tax code which are more or less justifiable. How then do we do away with these facets when they're so strongly supported by people from all over the political spectrum? And is your intent to keep tax code revenue neutral and not to shift the burden from one class to another?

It's un-possible. :cool:
 
And with that admission don't you think it's time to change that paradigm?

Ishmael

They just tried! They attempted to make it the political purview of only one party. (For more on that topic, read Jeffrey Lord this morning over at The American Spectator.)



:nana:
__________________
A_J's corollary #9, “When a Republican does it, it is a high crime and misdemeanor, when a Democrat does it, then it is, *shrug*, they ALL do it...”
 
Someone took me off iggy. :rolleyes:

If capital gains tax is double taxation then so is income tax. After all your paycheck is only what your employer gives you after multiple taxes and then you're taxed again upon receiving it.

Ish - see what I mean? Everyone has their own justification for having a mulitude of facets to the tax code which are more or less justifiable. How then do we do away with these facets when they're so strongly supported by people from all over the political spectrum? And is your intent to keep tax code revenue neutral and not to shift the burden from one class to another?

It's un-possible. :cool:

The tax code is the product of the minds of men, not a force of nature. Changing the code is as easy as changing your mind. People are fixated on 'tweaking' the existing code, not thinking outside the box.

They just tried! They attempted to make it the political purview of only one party. (For more on that topic, read Jeffrey Lord this morning over at The American Spectator.)



:nana:
__________________
A_J's corollary #9, “When a Republican does it, it is a high crime and misdemeanor, when a Democrat does it, then it is, *shrug*, they ALL do it...”

Of course, and republican administrations have done the same in the past. As it gets more complicated, and it is, the worse it's going to get. Taxes have sparked more revolutions than any other single activity by an existing government. If such a revolution starts in the United States it will the the IRS that is the spark.

Ishmael
 
I did not take you off iggy dumbass, someone quoted you. What you said proved my point.

:rolleyes:

I am against Income and Capital Gains taxes for the reasons mentioned above.

We have the tools and the ability to tax smarter and better but the politics of power and control prevent it. You also prove another of my long-standing contentions, as I posted above, that if this were a Republican Scandal, you would be going even more bat-guano crazy than usual, but because it is a Democrat scandal, you have to drag Republicans into it to show why you are now not going to get outraged.

This is the diversity of the IRS:

In the 2012 election cycle, the IRS union gave its money this way:

For the U.S. Senate:
Total to Democrats: $156,750
Total to Republicans: $1,000

For the U.S. House:
Total to Democrats: $391,062
Total to Republicans: $23,000

And the candidates on the receiving end of those IRS employee dollars? Yes indeed. They were candidates who were running flat out against the Tea Party, depicting Tea Party-supported candidates as dangerous, extremists, and crazies. Exhibiting exactly the anti-Tea Party antipathy on the campaign trail that has been revealed to be permeating the IRS.


Jeffrey Lord, American Spectator
 
Oh NOES!


A_J has guns! :eek:

bang-bang.jpg
 
However, it is clear that the only way to treat everyone fairly is to blindfold the statue of the tax collector exactly as we blindfold the statue of Justice.

Fucking Hell!!! When did the taxpayers finance that??? :D

I think individuals should have the option of paying tax as they do now or paying tax like corporations on their net profit. More money going out than coming in so household has a net loss and if you have a net profit you pay a percentage of that as tax.
 
Nuthins gonna change till voters accept the idea that pols of both parties fuck them as often as possible.
 
Killing the IRS would mean firing government employees.

Ain't gonna happen.
 
Wait, who says there is any "corruption" in the IRS anyway? I've heard some news stories this week about a few ill-advised administrative decisions, but not about any agents being convicted for taking bribes, and the former is not a form of "corruption".
 
At least once a year Ish and AJ trot out the un-FairTax. It's supporters have been trying to get it passed for almost 2 decades. It's never going to happen. Not only are they playing games with the tax rate that would be required by calculating it differently than tax is normally to make it seem lower. The amount of black market avoidance that would occur would be obscene.
 
Back
Top