The New Nazism...........

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According to the President of Harvard. Do you think of the new elite running down Israel as having anti-semite hate? Different appearance, but the same attitudes as the Third Reich? I tend to think the excuses people give are just a mask to their true feelings towards Jews.

"I speak with you today not as President of the University but as a concerned member of our community about something that I never thought I would become seriously worried about -- the issue of anti-Semitism.

I am Jewish, identified but hardly devout. In my lifetime, anti-Semitism has been remote from my experience. My family all left Europe at the beginning of the 20th century. The Holocaust is for me a matter of history, not personal memory. To be sure, there were country clubs where I grew up that had few if any Jewish members, but not ones that included people I knew. My experience in college and graduate school, as a faculty member, as a government official -- all involved little notice of my religion.

Indeed, I was struck during my years in the Clinton administration that the existence of an economic leadership team with people like Robert Rubin, Alan Greenspan, Charlene Barshefsky and many others that was very heavily Jewish passed without comment or notice -- it was something that would have been inconceivable a generation or two ago, as indeed it would have been inconceivable a generation or two ago that Harvard could have a Jewish President.

Without thinking about it much, I attributed all of this to progress -- to an ascendancy of enlightenment and tolerance. A view that prejudice is increasingly put aside. A view that while the politics of the Middle East was enormously complex, and contentious, the question of the right of a Jewish state to exist had been settled in the affirmative by the world community.

But today, I am less complacent. Less complacent and comfortable because there is disturbing evidence of an upturn in anti-Semitism globally, and also because of some developments closer to home.

Consider some of the global events of the last year:

There have been synagogue burnings, physical assaults on Jews, or the painting of swastikas on Jewish memorials in every country in Europe. Observers in many countries have pointed to the worst outbreak of attacks against the Jews since the Second World War.

Candidates who denied the significance of the Holocaust reached the runoff stage of elections for the nation’s highest office in France and Denmark. State-sponsored television stations in many nations of the world spew anti-Zionist propaganda.

The United Nations-sponsored World Conference on Racism -- while failing to mention human rights abuses in China, Rwanda, or anyplace in the Arab world -- spoke of Israel’s policies prior to recent struggles under the Barak government as constituting ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity. The NGO declaration at the same conference was even more virulent.

I could go on. But I want to bring this closer to home. Of course academic communities should be and always will be places that allow any viewpoint to be expressed. And certainly there is much to be debated about the Middle East and much in Israel’s foreign and defense policy that can be and should be vigorously challenged.

But where anti-Semitism and views that are profoundly anti-Israeli have traditionally been the primary preserve of poorly educated right-wing populists, profoundly anti-Israel views are increasingly finding support in progressive intellectual communities. Serious and thoughtful people are advocating and taking actions that are anti-Semitic in their effect if not their intent.

For example:

Hundreds of European academics have called for an end to support for Israeli researchers, though not for an end to support for researchers from any other nation.

Israeli scholars this past spring were forced off the board of an international literature journal.

At the same rallies where protesters, many of them university students, condemn the IMF and global capitalism and raise questions about globalization, it is becoming increasingly common to also lash out at Israel. Indeed, at the anti-IMF rallies last spring, chants were heard equating Hitler and Sharon.

Events to raise funds for organizations of questionable political provenance that in some cases were later found to support terrorism have been held by student organizations on this and other campuses with at least modest success and very little criticism.

And some here at Harvard and some at universities across the country have called for the University to single out Israel among all nations as the lone country where it is inappropriate for any part of the university’s endowment to be invested. I hasten to say the University has categorically rejected this suggestion.

We should always respect the academic freedom of everyone to take any position. We should also recall that academic freedom does not include freedom from criticism. The only antidote to dangerous ideas is strong alternatives vigorously advocated.

I have always throughout my life been put off by those who heard the sound of breaking glass, in every insult or slight, and conjured up images of Hitler’s Kristallnacht at any disagreement with Israel."


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Jeez...your threads too long to read. As far as most people outside USA are concerned, the Israelis are the new Nazis of today. Their time will come...for retribution.
 
LordDarkness said:
Jeez...your threads too long to read. As far as most people outside USA are concerned, the Israelis are the new Nazis of today. Their time will come...for retribution.

Uhmmm how are the jews the new nazis of today? I don't see jews running into bus stops with bombs strapped to their asses screaming Insh"sAlah, Explain to me why its bad for Israel to protect their sovereignty from a palstinien people. who aren't technicaly a country, and who's stated goal is to kill every last jew on earth?
 
Aquila said:


Uhmmm how are the jews the new nazis of today? I don't see jews running into bus stops with bombs strapped to their asses screaming Insh"sAlah, Explain to me why its bad for Israel to protect their sovereignty from a palstinien people. who aren't technicaly a country, and who's stated goal is to kill every last jew on earth?

The Zionists are killing Arab women, old people and children. They take prisoners as and when they like and use torture and murder. They use war planes to bomb civilian targets. They demolish homes and buildings. They take Palestinian lands. "InshaAllah" is not a word used for screaming...wrong use. The Nazis also tried to protect their sovereignty as a master race. Personally, I feel the Israelis are just as bad as the Nazis. And America supports them.
 
At least suicide bombers sacrificed their lives, and are regarded as martyrs by many in the Arab world, like the Japanese Banzai pilots of WWII. The Israelis are cowards.
 
LordDarkness said:
At least suicide bombers sacrificed their lives, and are regarded as martyrs by many in the Arab world, like the Japanese Banzai pilots of WWII. The Israelis are cowards.

A more accurate statement is that suicide bombers are cowards....they will not stay around to take the consequences of their actions and leave their actions for others to interpret and use as propaganda

Do not defame an entire people b/c of the actions of a few.

I think that the pres at harvard made some good comments, but that overall his statement is just as much propganda as anything that the nazis put out during ww2

Yes, the US has supported Isreal...we've also supported bin laden against the USSR, puppet govt in south america. We have no room to start throwing stones.
 
I beg to disagree with you.
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Aquila said:


Uhmmm how are the jews the new nazis of today? I don't see jews running into bus stops with bombs strapped to their asses screaming Insh"sAlah, Explain to me why its bad for Israel to protect their sovereignty from a palstinien people. who aren't technicaly a country, and who's stated goal is to kill every last jew on earth?

Of course you don't.

You only see Israeli cutting edge military technology destroying the lives of thousands of Palestinians, the majority of whom are innocent of any terrorist attack, because a few Israelis are killed in retribution to those attacks.

Explain to me why it's bad for Palestine, and don't forget it's occupied by Israel, not a neighboring land, nor a conclave of dissidents, but occupied with all that means to the occuped people, to fight back with the only means available to them. After all they're only trying to gain what America holds nearest and dearest...

their freedom.

ppman
 
p_p_man said:


Of course you don't.

You only see Israeli cutting edge military technology destroying the lives of thousands of Palestinians, the majority of whom are innocent of any terrorist attack, because a few Israelis are killed in retribution to those attacks.

Explain to me why it's bad for Palestine, and don't forget it's occupied by Israel, not a neighboring land, nor a conclave of dissidents, but occupied with all that means to the occuped people, to fight back with the only means available to them. After all they're only trying to gain what America holds nearest and dearest...

their freedom.

ppman

Well said...
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It sounds like the President of Havard...

is being trotted out by the powerful jewish lobby of America to further their cause. After all the rest of the world has now woken up to what exactly Israel is doing. The slow death or expulsion of all Palestinians from their land.

"We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country .... expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." -- Theodore Herzl (from Rafael Patai, Ed. The Complete Diaries of Theodore Herzl, Vol I)"

What better than to publish works by a noted and respected academic couched in the terms of "I've never noticed anti-semitism before". Nicely done but so blatantly obvious it's laughable...

ppman
 
The REASON the palestinians dont have a homeland is because they where allies with hitler durring WWII, they lost their land (I.E.) it was annexed as a result of losing the war..

you know I dont see any rednecks running around like they do over here in the u.s. waving confederate flags.
 
A few quotes for you pro-Sharon crowd...

"... it is the duty of the [Israeli] leadership to explain to the public a number of truths. One truth is that there is no Zionism, no settlement, and no Jewish state without evacuating Arabs, and without expropriating lands and their fencing off." -- Yesha'ayahu Ben-Porat, (Yedi'ot Aharonot 07/14/1972) responding to public controversy regarding the Israeli evictions of Palestinians in Rafah, Gaza, in 1972. (Cited in Nur Masalha's "A Land Without A People" 1997, p.98)"

"The very point of Labor's Zionist program is to have as much land as possible and as few Arabs as possible!" --Yitzhak Navon ("moderate" ex-Israeli president and a leading labor party politician.) Cited on p.179 of Nur Masalha's A Land without a People who cites Bernard Avishai's The Tragedy of Zionism 1985 p.340."

"Zionism emerged in response to rising anti-Semitism as a politically secular movement declaring an incompatibility between Jews and other nations, and that anti-Semitism was unavoidable; it went further to categorizing Jews as a nation/race, therefore making Jews as people of their nation, Israel, instead of their respective countries. From this the need for a homeland arose. Most Jews and others were deceived by Zionism's stated overt purpose: to make a homeland for the persecuted Jews. Very few realized that this entailed making another people homeless since Palestine was inhabited. Therefore, to perpetuate the deception, it was necessary for the Zionists to make up myths, such as the land was empty and that the Palestinians "didn't exist", or that there were people there, but they left willfuly in 1948 at the suggestion of Arab leaders, or at best, that the Palestinians existed but were backward with stagnant culture and Zionism brought them progress and prosperity (similar arguments were made by all colonialists). To hide its colonialist nature, the Zionists employed sugar coating, most famous of which was that the Jews were returning home, and blurred the difference between Judaism the religion, and Zionism, the political movement defining Jews as a nation, and displacing the Palestinians."

"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel.... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours ... When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do will be to scurry around like drugged roaches in a bottle." -- Israeli Chief of Staff Rafael Eitan (Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 4/13/83, NYTimes 4/14/83)"

"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist." -- Golda Meir Statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969."

"How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." -- Golda Meir (quoted in Chapter 13 of The Zionist Connection II: What Price Peace by Alfred Lilienthal"


Just a few quotes to show we can all follow that particular route...

ppman
 
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