THe "N" word
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Oliver Clozoff
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Maybe because being labelled a racist is about the worst social stigma a person can have these days.
Think about it: in this age of tolerance the only people who the "tolerant" refuse to tolerate are the intolerant.
virtually all manner of vulgarities are spoken here, but people still have to refer to racial epithets obliquely rather than openly utter them.
Racism is the new vulgarity.
Think about it: in this age of tolerance the only people who the "tolerant" refuse to tolerate are the intolerant.
virtually all manner of vulgarities are spoken here, but people still have to refer to racial epithets obliquely rather than openly utter them.
Racism is the new vulgarity.
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*Sigh*
Sometimes, I think people just throw these questions out there to try to piss people off.
I don't agree with the use of the word from ANY ethnic group. However, the reason black people deem it okay to say it and not white people is (1) because of the demeaning, racist nature white people tend to have/mean when they use the word and (2) because as a black person, if I hear another black person use the word I know they can't mean it in the same way that a white person would mean it. I, personally, don't think that just because you're black that entitles you to use a word that has negative connotations regardless.
It is due to the long racist history of whites and blacks in America that it is automatically deemed to be racist in nature when a white person uses a word that was created to demean the same race of people that has had major racial injustices perpetrated against them. I think everyone here is intelligent enough to understand that.
And, Todd, I don't know what's going on with you but lately you have been acting like a complete asshole. What is the deal? Who are you hanging around with that has told you that all white people are racist? I now agree with what has been mentioned on this board before. You need to get some more friends.
Sometimes, I think people just throw these questions out there to try to piss people off.
I don't agree with the use of the word from ANY ethnic group. However, the reason black people deem it okay to say it and not white people is (1) because of the demeaning, racist nature white people tend to have/mean when they use the word and (2) because as a black person, if I hear another black person use the word I know they can't mean it in the same way that a white person would mean it. I, personally, don't think that just because you're black that entitles you to use a word that has negative connotations regardless.
It is due to the long racist history of whites and blacks in America that it is automatically deemed to be racist in nature when a white person uses a word that was created to demean the same race of people that has had major racial injustices perpetrated against them. I think everyone here is intelligent enough to understand that.
Originally posted by Todd
because whites are racists, no matter what we say do or think we are racist. Or so I am told
And, Todd, I don't know what's going on with you but lately you have been acting like a complete asshole. What is the deal? Who are you hanging around with that has told you that all white people are racist? I now agree with what has been mentioned on this board before. You need to get some more friends.
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Whites invented the word -
- to oppress black people. Whites who favor the word frequently are those very whites who still wish to oppress black people. When my Jewish pals use the word "kike," it's usually in a bitter, joking way that they are entitled to employ. I don't use these words. Interesting that the worst words applied to whites are words INVENTED by whites - honky, bohunk, WASP (invented by an old prof I knew)....
- to oppress black people. Whites who favor the word frequently are those very whites who still wish to oppress black people. When my Jewish pals use the word "kike," it's usually in a bitter, joking way that they are entitled to employ. I don't use these words. Interesting that the worst words applied to whites are words INVENTED by whites - honky, bohunk, WASP (invented by an old prof I knew)....
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maybe a kindly white person -
can explain why it's such a compelling word, why it's such a violation of our human rights that people disapprove of our saying this word. Any volunteers? Todd?
can explain why it's such a compelling word, why it's such a violation of our human rights that people disapprove of our saying this word. Any volunteers? Todd?
Oliver Clozoff
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Shadowsource,
your white guilt is sublime.
your white guilt is sublime.
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nasty said:
The truth to the matter is the "N" word, ending with "er", represents bigotry and racism.
Many hip hop artists uses the "N" word, ending with an "a" (EXAMPLE- Chris Rock's "Can A Nigga Get A Table Dance?")
Quite frankly, I don't condone the use of either word, considering that both are referring to an African-American individual.
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Re: Re: THe "N" word
As a traveler of the world and a self taught tolerant man i do aggree with JD becouse some black friends of mine have told me the same thing years ago. the social connitations come down with those 2 little letters. my self I dont consider the "N" word to be about race I use it to discribe a lifestyle of uneducated lazy crimonaly minded trashy people no matter what color they are. there are racist in every walk of life and race. I know in south central L.A. I was treated like the "N" before I met some real black men who stood up and said this crackers allright.
the places I've been and the people I've known yes I have used this word in both forms. as a child I was raised as a racist in my home but through the grace of god I was able to educate myself beyond that and accept people by how they were not their color.
I personally find it offensive for somone to put a pre-curser on american but thats not my chioce to make its yours so i choose to ignore it. either your an american or your not.
GuyJD said:
As a traveler of the world and a self taught tolerant man i do aggree with JD becouse some black friends of mine have told me the same thing years ago. the social connitations come down with those 2 little letters. my self I dont consider the "N" word to be about race I use it to discribe a lifestyle of uneducated lazy crimonaly minded trashy people no matter what color they are. there are racist in every walk of life and race. I know in south central L.A. I was treated like the "N" before I met some real black men who stood up and said this crackers allright.
the places I've been and the people I've known yes I have used this word in both forms. as a child I was raised as a racist in my home but through the grace of god I was able to educate myself beyond that and accept people by how they were not their color.
I personally find it offensive for somone to put a pre-curser on american but thats not my chioce to make its yours so i choose to ignore it. either your an american or your not.
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Well, thank YOU -
I didn't say I felt guilty. Are white people who don't use the N word or other racist language supposed to be wracked with some kind of disabling mental condition? Has it ever occurred to you that some of this has to do with taste? And yes, I do think it's tasteless for rappers to use the word; I just don't think it's racist for them to do so.Oliver Clozoff said:Shadowsource,
your white guilt is sublime.
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I've heard from a lot of blacks that they are opposed to the nigger or nigga word. C'mon, nigga is the same as nigger. Also from what I've read a lot of blacks would like the usage of the word to stop but admit that most blacks are to blame for using this word.
Richard Pryor, one of the funniest comedians, took a trip to Africa some years back and vowed he would never use the word nigger again. Personally, I just don't understand WHY it's so offensive for someone of another race outside of black, to use the word nigger. That in itself is racism. I'm not saying we CRACKERS should unite for freedom to use the word, we should all unite in banning this word from our vocabulary.
One of funniest episodes of the Jeffersons was when the white guy (can't remember his name!) got tired of George calling him honkey all the time and said "you're a dumb nigger!" I swear to God, that's what he said. What I found so funny is yes, whites are called honky, cracker, do we get that offended by it?
Sorry to be so long-winded, but in conclusion, the labeling needs to stop all around, nigger, nigga, jap, chink, cracker, whatever...
Richard Pryor, one of the funniest comedians, took a trip to Africa some years back and vowed he would never use the word nigger again. Personally, I just don't understand WHY it's so offensive for someone of another race outside of black, to use the word nigger. That in itself is racism. I'm not saying we CRACKERS should unite for freedom to use the word, we should all unite in banning this word from our vocabulary.
One of funniest episodes of the Jeffersons was when the white guy (can't remember his name!) got tired of George calling him honkey all the time and said "you're a dumb nigger!" I swear to God, that's what he said. What I found so funny is yes, whites are called honky, cracker, do we get that offended by it?
Sorry to be so long-winded, but in conclusion, the labeling needs to stop all around, nigger, nigga, jap, chink, cracker, whatever...
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The word is not the problem. The meaning and implication behind a word is what holds the power.
For example, if a stranger were to call me an "injun", I would assume and presume that this was his/her attempt to offend, belittle, and hurt me. In high school, my brother and I were affectionally called "injuns" by our athletic teammates. It started when a few friends asked about my background and I replied with the word, "injun". With whom I have a intimate interaction, I know there would be no attempt of injury.
Another example would be the word, "bitch". My girlfriends and I "own" the word and playfully call each other bitches. I adore these folks and know that there is no offensive power the word holds over me. If a stranger, especially male, would utter the word, I would be hurt. For one, there is no established relationship. There is no context other than a presumption of offense.
I can not speak for African-Americans, but I would think the situation with the "n" word may be similar.
For example, if a stranger were to call me an "injun", I would assume and presume that this was his/her attempt to offend, belittle, and hurt me. In high school, my brother and I were affectionally called "injuns" by our athletic teammates. It started when a few friends asked about my background and I replied with the word, "injun". With whom I have a intimate interaction, I know there would be no attempt of injury.
Another example would be the word, "bitch". My girlfriends and I "own" the word and playfully call each other bitches. I adore these folks and know that there is no offensive power the word holds over me. If a stranger, especially male, would utter the word, I would be hurt. For one, there is no established relationship. There is no context other than a presumption of offense.
I can not speak for African-Americans, but I would think the situation with the "n" word may be similar.
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CHRIS ROCK
I remember how Chris Rock explained it. He defines a "nigga" as an ignorant African-American man who thinks that the world owes him something for being responsible. His example is when a guy says something stupid like, "I takes care of my kids".
I remember how Chris Rock explained it. He defines a "nigga" as an ignorant African-American man who thinks that the world owes him something for being responsible. His example is when a guy says something stupid like, "I takes care of my kids".
