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Just thought I'd post this so people that don't already know will understand what kind of regime the Taliban is.

Some of the restrictions imposed by Taliban on women in Afghanistan


The following list offers only an abbreviated glimpse of the hellish lives Afghan women are forced to lead under the Taliban, and can not begin to reflect the depth of female deprivations and sufferings. Taliban treat women worse than they treat animals. In fact, even as Taliban declare the keeping of caged birds and animals illegal, they imprison Afghan women within the four walls of their own houses. Women have no importance in Taliban eyes unless they are occupied producing children, satisfying male sexual needs or attending to the drudgery of daily housework. Jehadi fundamentalists such as Gulbaddin, Rabbani, Masood, Sayyaf, Khalili, Akbari, Mazari and their co-criminal Dostum have committed the most treacherous and filthy crimes against Afghan women. And as more areas come under Taliban control, even if the number of rapes and murders perpetrated against women falls, Taliban restrictions --comparable to those from the middle ages-- will continue to kill the spirit of our people while depriving them of a humane existence. We consider Taliban more treacherous and ignorant than Jehadis. According to our people, "Jehadis were killing us with guns and swords but Taliban are killing us with cotton."



Taliban restrictions and mistreatment of women include the:

1- Complete ban on women's work outside the home, which also applies to female teachers, engineers and most professionals. Only a few female doctors and nurses are allowed to work in some hospitals in Kabul.

2- Complete ban on women's activity outside the home unless accompanied by a mahram (close male relative such as a father, brother or husband).

3- Ban on women dealing with male shopkeepers.

4- Ban on women being treated by male doctors.

5- Ban on women studying at schools, universities or any other educational institution. (Taliban have converted girls' schools into religious seminaries.)

6- Requirement that women wear a long veil (Burqa), which covers them from head to toe.

7- Whipping, beating and verbal abuse of women not clothed in accordance with Taliban rules, or of women unaccompanied by a mahram.

8- Whipping of women in public for having non-covered ankles.

9- Public stoning of women accused of having sex outside marriage. (A number of lovers are stoned to death under this rule).

10- Ban on the use of cosmetics. (Many women with painted nails have had fingers cut off).

11- Ban on women talking or shaking hands with non-mahram males.

12- Ban on women laughing loudly. (No stranger should hear a woman's voice).

13- Ban on women wearing high heel shoes, which would produce sound while walking. (A man must not hear a woman's footsteps.)

14- Ban on women riding in a taxi without a mahram.

15- Ban on women's presence in radio, television or public gatherings of any kind.

16- Ban on women playing sports or entering a sport center or club.

17- Ban on women riding bicycles or motorcycles, even with their mahrams.

18- Ban on women's wearing brightly colored clothes. In Taliban terms, these are "sexually attracting colors."

19- Ban on women gathering for festive occasions such as the Eids, or for any recreational purpose.

20- Ban on women washing clothes next to rivers or in a public place.

21- Modification of all place names including the word "women." For example, "women's garden" has been renamed "spring garden".

22- Ban on women appearing on the balconies of their apartments or houses.

23- Compulsory painting of all windows, so women can not be seen from outside their homes.

24- Ban on male tailors taking women's measurements or sewing women's clothes.

25- Ban on female public baths.

26- Ban on males and females traveling on the same bus. Public buses have now been designated "males only" (or "females only").

27- Ban on flared (wide) pant-legs, even under a burqa.

28- Ban on the photographing or filming of women.

29- Ban on women's pictures printed in newspapers and books, or hung on the walls of houses and shops.


Apart from the above restrictions on women, the Taliban has:

- Banned listening to music, not only for women but men as well.

- Banned the watching of movies, television and videos, for everyone.

- Banned celebrating the traditional new year (Nowroz) on March 21. The Taliban has proclaimed the holiday un-Islamic.

- Disavowed Labor Day (May 1st), because it is deemed a "communist" holiday.

- Ordered that all people with non-Islamic names change them to Islamic ones.

- Forced haircuts upon Afghan youth.

- Ordered that men wear Islamic clothes and a cap.

- Ordered that men not shave or trim their beards, which should grow long enough to protrude from a fist clasped at the point of the chin.

- Ordered that all people attend prayers in mosques five times daily.

- Banned the keeping of pigeons and playing with the birds, describing it as un-Islamic. The violators will be imprisoned and the birds shall be killed. The kite flying has also been stopped.

- Ordered all onlookers, while encouraging the sportsmen, to chant Allah-o-Akbar (God is great) and refrain from clapping.

- Ban on certain games including kite flying which is "un-Islamic" according to Taliban.

- Anyone who carries objectionable literature will be executed.

- Anyone who converts from Islam to any other religion will be executed.

- All boy students must wear turbans. They say "No turban, no education".

- Non-Muslim minorities must distinct badge or stitch a yellow cloth onto their dress to be differentiated from the majority Muslim population. Just like what did Nazis with Jews.

And so on...

Thanks to Kimberly for the link.

http://www.rawa.org/rules.htm
 
Do they allow nipple tassels?...I kinda like the way they spin different directions
 
The place is pure hell, and unfortunately our benign neglect helped put those Neanderthals in power.

To all those who say bomb Afghanistan: there is nothing there to bomb.
 
Is it the U.S.'s job to police the world? We're about to spend billions of dollars on a 'war' at a time when our budget is stretched precious thin. Before the war there was talk of recession and budget deficits, Now congress is signing away billions of dollars to the hunt for Bin Laden. I abhor what he did, but I think this will destroy our economy. If the U.S. goes broke Bin Laden wins.
 
Holy Shit

I cannot even comprehend all of that. I think it's silly that the gym I belong to won't let you wear a shirt that exposes your midriff... *shaking my head* un-fucking-believable
 
Unregistered said:
Is it the U.S.'s job to police the world? We're about to spend billions of dollars on a 'war' at a time when our budget is stretched precious thin. Before the war there was talk of recession and budget deficits, Now congress is signing away billions of dollars to the hunt for Bin Laden. I abhor what he did, but I think this will destroy our economy. If the U.S. goes broke Bin Laden wins.

And if the US stays 'prosperous' by ignoring the shit that's goin on over there, isn't that just blood money?

Perhaps someone better versed in History (ie: someone who's actually seen a war) could correct me if I'm wrong, but historically speaking don't wars generally improve the economy?
 
Follow the link to the pictures of Afghanistan. They're not for the weak of heart.
 
I knew most of that stuff but did not know all of that. A friend of mine at work who is from India was telling me about Afganistan some. He of course having lived 90 percent of his life very close to the place knows alot more about it. He knows many people who came from that hell hole. He told me a story about a Football(soccer) field that had been turned into an execution zone. At midfield women would be executed by a single shot for violating some stupid law. Sometimes rows up people would be lined up and shot. The goals on either end of the field had been turned into gallows.


I am all for using the air force/navy/marines(yes they have jets too) to eliminate every air to air threat in the country and then start droping food and supplys into the population centers. Once we have done that for a while then send in some troops.
 
Unregistered said:
Is it the U.S.'s job to police the world? We're about to spend billions of dollars on a 'war' at a time when our budget is stretched precious thin. Before the war there was talk of recession and budget deficits, Now congress is signing away billions of dollars to the hunt for Bin Laden. I abhor what he did, but I think this will destroy our economy. If the U.S. goes broke Bin Laden wins.

moron.
 
I'm not responding to Unregistered posters anymore. They're lower than whale shit.
 
miles said:
Follow the link to the pictures of Afghanistan. They're not for the weak of heart.

No they are not.

*it's hard to type, I'm shaking so badly*

My god, the women and children, the cruelty they endure. I'm not even sure what I am feeling right now. Bin Laden and the Taliban without question must be stopped, but how do we do that without causing these victims more suffering?
 
Anyone remember Apocalypse Now when Brando's character told a story about the VC cutting off the vaccinated arms of all the children in a village? It explains "the horror."

I'm sure someone can remember it verbatim.
 
I went through those pictures and the one of the little deformed boy, lying naked on the floor made me so sad and angry that there is no means for him to be mobile there. It is so sad.

I didn't see one pic that even slightly made me smile.... not one... not even this one, and they don't look sad.
 
Re: Re: If I lived there...

Desert Amazon said:



The rules or traditions need not necessarily apply to you as an American (or Canadian or any other) citizen but it's their way and it's been like that for centuries.

I could be misinformed, but it was my understanding that prior to the Taliban regime, most women were able to attain some sort of education, work, had more freedom of dress, and didn't have to have their windows painted black. Like I said, I could be wrong, but I do believe I have read that.
 
miles said:
Anyone remember Apocalypse Now when Brando's character told a story about the VC cutting off the vaccinated arms of all the children in a village? It explains "the horror."

I'm sure someone can remember it verbatim.

I think this was originally reported during the war by Michael Herr. It demonstrated to many in America that an enemy with this much resolve to extirpate the American prescence could not be overcome by any ordinary means.
Hence Kurtz's surprised realisation in the film that they (the VC) were stronger than him.
 
It was creative license -

Lancaster said:
I think this was originally reported during the war by Michael Herr. It demonstrated to many in America that an enemy with this much resolve to extirpate the American prescence could not be overcome by any ordinary means.
Hence Kurtz's surprised realisation in the film that they (the VC) were stronger than him.
It NEVER happened. The VC never did that. It was as creative as DEER HUNTER's depiction of the VC making captured GIs play Russian Roulette.

As for the Taliban's treatment of women, that was well and consistently reported for many years. A chain petition about Afghani women circulated for years on the web, reaching me at least 10 times. My web site had a link to a very good report on this problem 5 years ago. This is just another case of being SHOCKED, SHOCKED at something that was happening in our faces. If the Taliban were circumcising women (I don't know if they are, or not, but the Saudis and Egyptians sure do that), we'd all suddenly care more about that, too.

This is merely one of the many reasons that informed people view the Afghani population as victims of the Taliban, who truly don't give a rat's ass for their welfare. Fortunately, the Adminstration seems to have figured out that bombing Afghanistan big-time is 1) a waste 2) an atrocity. So they're operating on a higher level of plannng, which is good.
 
Re: It was creative license -

shadowsource said:
If the Taliban were circumcising women (I don't know if they are, or not, but the Saudis and Egyptians sure do that), we'd all suddenly care more about that, too.

I'm the one that posted about the cicumcision in a different thread. I don't KNOW that the Taliban cicumcises women. I am guilty of making a sweeping statement. I wouldn't doubt if it was true though, and it pisses me off.

I find it infinitely interesting that so many people are just now recognizing and reacting to the atrocity that is the way women and children are treated around the world. What a fucking wake up call.
 
Problem Child said:

Thanks to Kimberly for the link.

http://www.rawa.org/rules.htm


You're Welcome.

I actually heard the web site creater on talk radio about a week before the attacks. It was about 2am, was so odd that of all the BS I hear on AM radio with links thrown in during the show that I happen to remember hers.

After reading your other thread, just thought I would offer more to it.


Sighs.
 
Re: Re: Re: If I lived there...

SoftPeaches said:


I could be misinformed, but it was my understanding that prior to the Taliban regime, most women were able to attain some sort of education, work, had more freedom of dress, and didn't have to have their windows painted black. Like I said, I could be wrong, but I do believe I have read that.

No you are right. The women had to work and have real jobs because of the war. All the men were off fighting and dieing so the women had to fill the gap. Thats one of the reasons the country is so screwed now. The Taliban won't let women work and they are the only ones who know many specialized skills. The two most important of these being teaching and healing.
 
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