The Limeys Prefer Their Cons.

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ervice-hospital-patients-scientists-warn.html

Convicts eat better than hospital patients.

 

[scheherazade_79]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ervice-hospital-patients-scientists-warn.html

Convicts eat better than hospital patients.

*whispers quietly in your ear*

The Daily Mail is the 20th century British equivalent of Der Stürmer. If you want to retain whatever credibility you have left, you'd be a lot better off quoting from a more respectable source.

Just sayin'

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Sure. Starve the old guys.

 

[lesbiaphrodite]

In the U.S., most prisons and county jails feed the prisoners on less that .25 cents per day. PER DAY. I don't know what they do in the UK, but here, .25 doesn't buy a lot of food.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

In the U.S., most prisons and county jails feed the prisoners on less that .25 cents per day. PER DAY. I don't know what they do in the UK, but here, .25 doesn't buy a lot of food.

Nope. In America the average cost for food per prisoner is about $2.50, but even this figure is misleading. In my county the jail operates green houses and a farm to provide prisoners with fresh vegetables.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/legislature/story/906108.html

 

[R. Richard]

In a lot of prisons in the western USA, they serve convicts 'nutriloaf' [aka 'nutraloaf.']

Recipe [from the 'Net:]
2 oz Cooked Ground Beef
4 oz Canned, Chopped Spinach
4 oz Canned Carrots, Diced
4 oz Vegetarian Beans
4 oz Applesauce
1 oz Tomato Paste
1/2 cup Potato Flakes
1 cup Bread Crumbs
2 oz Dry Milk Powder
1 tsp Garlic Powder or Flakes

Preparation: mash the fuck outta everything and slap it into a loaf pan. Cook until a solid loaf forms. The loaf can be served on a paper plate, with no utensils needed.

Nutriloaf may be the greatest advance ever in the fight against recidivism.

 

[lesbiaphrodite]

The reality is that local sheriffs and state prison wardens are routinely told that if they can feed inmates at a lower cost than that provided for by the state, then they can take whatever money they have left over above what they spend and consider it a cash bonus for themselves. This happens constantly, and though the state may "report" that they spend $2.50 per inmate per day for food, the reality is that if they can spend less, they do it so they can pocket the difference. Below are links to one flagrant example of what I'm talking about.

http://floridainnocence.org/content/?p=435

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,477785,00.html

 

[Boxlicker101]

In a lot of prisons in the western USA, they serve convicts 'nutriloaf' [aka 'nutraloaf.']

Recipe [from the 'Net:]
2 oz Cooked Ground Beef
4 oz Canned, Chopped Spinach
4 oz Canned Carrots, Diced
4 oz Vegetarian Beans
4 oz Applesauce
1 oz Tomato Paste
1/2 cup Potato Flakes
1 cup Bread Crumbs
2 oz Dry Milk Powder
1 tsp Garlic Powder or Flakes

Preparation: mash the fuck outta everything and slap it into a loaf pan. Cook until a solid loaf forms. The loaf can be served on a paper plate, with no utensils needed.

Nutriloaf may be the greatest advance ever in the fight against recidivism.

That recipe seems nutritious enough, but it also looks strange. That's almost two pounds of food, which would be a lot for a single serving, but the individual amounts of food seem too small to be prepared in a mixing ketttle for a whole crowd of people.

 

[Boxlicker101]

*whispers quietly in your ear*

The Daily Mail is the 20th century British equivalent of Der Stürmer. If you want to retain whatever credibility you have left, you'd be a lot better off quoting from a more respectable source.

Just sayin'

The fact that a scandal sheet prints a lot of untruths doesn't mean everything is a lie. There are similar rags in the US too, and sometimes they print things that the mainstream media ignore, and sometimes they break news stories. The infidelities of Sen. John Edwards is a good example.

Are you saying that they are lying when they say over 200 people died of malnutrition in NHS hospitals in 2007? I don't know if this is true or not but, let's face it, neither do you.

 

[lesbiaphrodite]

No one should feel envious of what inmates get for "food." It's worse than pig slop.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The reality is that local sheriffs and state prison wardens are routinely told that if they can feed inmates at a lower cost than that provided for by the state, then they can take whatever money they have left over above what they spend and consider it a cash bonus for themselves. This happens constantly, and though the state may "report" that they spend $2.50 per inmate per day for food, the reality is that if they can spend less, they do it so they can pocket the difference. Below are links to one flagrant example of what I'm talking about.

http://floridainnocence.org/content/?p=435

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,477785,00.html

Youve changed your assertion. You backed off the 25 cents per diem and now assert that prisons dont allocate the entire per diem thats about 10x more than your original claim. Whats next?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

No one should feel envious of what inmates get for "food." It's worse than pig slop.

You dont know that for every prison and jail, everyplace. You dont help your cause when you shoot from the hip with claims that can be refuted.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Youve changed your assertion. You backed off the 25 cents per diem and now assert that prisons dont allocate the entire per diem thats about 10x more than your original claim. Whats next?

Actually, it was a lot less than that. Originally, she said .25 cents. That would be one fourth of one penny, which seems unbelievable.

 

[Boxlicker101]

No one should feel envious of what inmates get for "food." It's worse than pig slop.

It's been a long time, but I have eaten many meals in the Alameda County Jail. It was hardly gourmet dining, but it wasn't as bad as you describe it either. I've had worse, in the hot lunch program at high school and at Boy Scout Camp.

 

[sr71plt]

Interesting that JBJ has taken a sudden interest in prison food.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

BOX

You can actually eat well for a couple of bucks a day if you arent eating crap.
I do it all the time. Like I make breakfast sandwiches with an egg, some kind of meat on it, maybe some sauteed oniions, plus a hash brown, coffee, and a sliced tomato or prunes or whatever. Sometimes I just want two slices of toast and coffee.

Lunch is usually a tuna sandwich or grilled cheese.

Dinner is usually rice/mashed potato, with brocoli, sliced tomato, and some kind of meat and iced tea.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Interesting that JBJ has taken a sudden interest in prison food.

Thats becuz I have plans for you and your friends when I run the country. It'll be like bootcamp for some of you.

 

[sr71plt]

"would be," not will be. It's all in your dreams. You can't even get Mildred to deliver a Bud to your Laz-Y-Boy.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Bud? Please. I'd rather drink petrified pig piss.

 

[sr71plt]

I'd rather you drank that too.

 

[water_side]

You dont know that for every prison and jail, everyplace. You dont help your cause when you shoot from the hip with claims that can be refuted.

And that's the problem with using that "Limey" newspaper The Daily Mail as a supposed source of factual information, because everything they print is eminently refutable. (In fact the 'Heartless murderers treated better than poor cancer patients' headline itself is meaningless. Such simple minded, completely unrelated and frankly misleading comparisons have no actual bearing on how successful [or not] a particular government department has been). Yours sincerely, an easily conned, "Limey" idiot.

P.S. How much does the US government currently spend on free meals for its law-abiding, hospitalized citizens? Is it more or less than the amount it spends on free meals for it's law-breaking prisoners?

 

[Bianca_Sommerland]

And that's the problem with using that "Limey" newspaper The Daily Mail as a supposed source of factual information, because everything they print is eminently refutable. (In fact the 'Heartless murderers treated better than poor cancer patients' headline itself is meaningless. Such simple minded, completely unrelated and frankly misleading comparisons have no actual bearing on how successful [or not] a particular government department has been). Yours sincerely, an easily conned, "Limey" idiot.

P.S. How much does the US government currently spend on free meals for its law-abiding, hospitalized citizens? Is it more or less than the amount it spends on free meals for it's law-breaking prisoners?

I'm got some food for thought. You ever see what they feed their troups? Another question. Who deserves the good food more...the father of three who robbed a bank because his familly was starving, or the coke addict in bed 5.

Just sayin'

 

[sr71plt]

I'm got some food for thought. You ever see what they feed their troups? Another question. Who deserves the good food more...the father of three who robbed a bank because his familly was starving, or the coke addict in bed 5.

Just sayin'

That, of course, is only relevant if you know what is spent in comparison--as water_side says concerning hospital patients. You can, of course, rush off to judgment (that seems the popular thing to do), but water_side's question is as relevant for your posting as for JBJ's.

 

[Bianca_Sommerland]

That, of course, is only relevant if you know what is spent in comparison--as water_side says concerning hospital patients. You can, of course, rush off to judgment (that seems the popular thing to do), but water_side's question is as relevant for your posting as for JBJ's.

It has nothing to do with rushing to judgement. Even if it was a fact that the same amount was spent on both, be it 25 cents or 25 dollars, the point is unless you assume all in jail are scum that deserve pitiful rations, and all ill people are outstanding citizins, they are all simply people. Which means they should be treated in the same manner any human being deserves to be treated.

If one could seperate the good from the bad, with no chance of err, then by all means, give the scum shit and the good people roast. What bother's me is the idea of one of the earlier post, stating that the authorities can make profit off of trimming down what is spent on actual food. It would be just as horrific to learn hospital management could do the same. Only it is easier to sympathise with the ill then with criminals because generalization can be laid so simply in either case.

 

[R. Richard]

And that's the problem with using that "Limey" newspaper The Daily Mail as a supposed source of factual information, because everything they print is eminently refutable. (In fact the 'Heartless murderers treated better than poor cancer patients' headline itself is meaningless. Such simple minded, completely unrelated and frankly misleading comparisons have no actual bearing on how successful [or not] a particular government department has been). Yours sincerely, an easily conned, "Limey" idiot.

P.S. How much does the US government currently spend on free meals for its law-abiding, hospitalized citizens? Is it more or less than the amount it spends on free meals for it's law-breaking prisoners?

AFAIK, the US government normally doesn't provide hospitalization for its citizens. However, if a US citizen is a mamber of the armed forces, the following rates apply: A standard meal allowance of $52 a day ($58 for travel outside the continental United States) from January 1, 2008, through December 31, 2008. The meal allowance would normally be proivided only if there is no base mess hall. A simple example would be a US soldier who traveled, on orders, to a non-military hospital for some specialized treatment.

The normal maximum for the cost of a prisoner meal is the final meal for a condemned prisoner and the normal amount for that is $20.