The Libertarian Party calls for an end to interventionist foreign policy.

[BoyNextDoor]

Dear Libertarian,

The Libertarian Party denounces last night's strikes on Syria.

Purportedly these strikes were a retaliation for the release of a chemical agent which wounded and killed many Syrians earlier this week.

The use of chemical agents against civilians is abhorrent but, according to news reports, the cause of that chemical release is uncertain. It is believable that the Assad regime could have purposefully caused it but when war and peace are at stake, as they are now, we must not jump to conclusions, no matter how natural they may seem.

The situation in Syria is very complex. There is no clear, straight-forward path to peace. Additional air strikes will just kill more people and further inflame an already highly volatile situation.

For decades, the United States has pursued a foreign policy based on the idea that we can play policeman for the world. Time and time again we have seen this fail. Sadly, our intervention into Syria will be no different.

Launching missiles into Syria risks pitting the US against Russia in a proxy war. There is no way in which a proxy war can be beneficial for humanity, the United States, or Syria. Such a war will only elevate Russia on the world stage, further destroy Syria and Syrian lives, and cost the US many American lives and resources.

If the President wants to help the Syrian people, he should facilitate more refugees entering the United States to find safety here rather than demonizing them and hampering their escape from the dictator that is slaughtering them.

Since World War II, American foreign policy has been highly interventionist. This has dragged our country into many wars and conflicts that were not in the best interest of the American people. These wars and conflicts have cost many thousands of lives and billions of dollars and have not made the American people any safer. Our military is very powerful but these issues are too complex to be solved by military might.

The Libertarian Party calls for an end to interventionist foreign policy.

Specifically, the Libertarian Party recommends ending American military aggression in Syria and the rest of the Middle East. Our actions there, while meant to reduce terrorism, instead often serve as a rallying cry for terrorists and facilitate terrorist recruitment.

Sincerely,

Nicholas Sarwark
Chair, Libertarian National Committee

 

[Hard_Rom]

Stop war mongering and aiding Gulf state dictatorships and allow Muslim refugees into the country. Good luck with that. Quite idealistic those libertarians.

Try take one of those quadrant tests for political leaning. Mention you smoke pot. Immediately puts you in the libertarian quadrant.

 

[Ms_Ann]

Perhaps someday the libertarian party will be relevant.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Stop war mongering and aiding Gulf state dictatorships and allow Muslim refugees into the country. Good luck with that. Quite idealistic those libertarians.

Try take one of those quadrant tests for political leaning. Mention you smoke pot. Immediately puts you in the libertarian quadrant.

Ya mon.

 

[Liar]

Perhaps someday the libertarian party will be relevant.

They are unfortunately dwarfed by the glibertarians.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

What?



This is breaking news to you? HOW???

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Stop war mongering and aiding Gulf state dictatorships and allow Muslim refugees into the country. Good luck with that. Quite idealistic those libertarians.

Try take one of those quadrant tests for political leaning. Mention you smoke pot. Immediately puts you in the libertarian quadrant.

What do you have against Middle East dictatorships?


Did not eight years of toppling them teach you nothing about the instability which ensues???

 

[RobDownSouth]

They are unfortunately dwarfed by the glibertarians.

Most Libertarians are shiny-eyed idealists in their early 20s, I suspect. Their ivory tower Randian utopia doesn't square well with the harsh realities of the real world. Plus, people in their early twenties are prime draft-age material.This is not to say that Libertarians are loathe to serve their country, but most of 'em would prefer to support the USA behind the safety of their internet keyboard. Less dangerous, y'know?

Many of those who cling to libertarian beliefs later in life generally morph into that toxic stew of ideology called "glibertarianism", aka American Thinker Libertarianism. Their credo is "rules for thee, but not for me!"....maximum control of #ThosePeople (undesirables such as non-white, non-males and especially those to whom English is not their first language), but maximum "freedom" for white males over 50.

What do you have against Middle East dictatorships?


Did not eight years of toppling them teach you nothing about the instability which ensues???

Glibertarian AJ always comes out foresquare in favor of dictators (see also: Qadaffi). Outside of the borders of the continental US, order is prized over freedom, to ensure maximum profitably of corporations.

Teh Spice Must Flow!

 

[about_average]

I consider myself a libertarian, but one who recognizes that the tragedy of the commons is an actual thing.
Most, it seems, deny it even though there is ample evidence to the contrary.

 

[Hard_Rom]

What do you have against Middle East dictatorships?


Did not eight years of toppling them teach you nothing about the instability which ensues???

You will have to ask GW the answer to that.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Outside of the borders of the continental US, order is prized over freedom, to ensure maximum profitably of corporations.

Teh Spice Must Flow!

Peace order and good government. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

You need peace, order and good government to achieve life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You folk have put the cart before the horse.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Peace order and good government. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

You need peace, order and good government to achieve life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You folk have put the cart before the horse.

So is dictatorship the preferred way to go? AJ has bellowed loud and long that it is....what say you?

 

[RobDownSouth]

I consider myself a libertarian, but one who recognizes that the tragedy of the commons is an actual thing.
Most, it seems, deny it even though there is ample evidence to the contrary.

I actually thought about you when I was making sweeping generalizations about libertarians before. I have respect for your beliefs, as they are consistent, unlike most "libertarians" here. I disagree with them, but I respect them.

The other libertarians, not so much.

 

[Hard_Rom]

So is dictatorship the preferred way to go? AJ has bellowed loud and long that it is....what say you?

Dictatorship is not good government. Theoretically you can have benevolent tyrannies though. Belgians had a constitutional crisis and did fine with a king and a bureaucracy for awhile.

 

[Christobal]

Is anyone that knows anything about Libertarians surprised they don't believe in international intervention.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Is anyone that knows anything about Libertarians surprised they don't believe in international intervention.

But what if it were done by a libertarian government to impose libertarian systems on other countries?

It's conceptually no different from neoconservatism.

 

[renard_ruse]

The situation in Syria is very complex. There is no clear, straight-forward path to peace...

No, its not. Its very simple. Stop funding the pretend "moderate" rebels and stop illegally trying to overthrow the Assad government which is the legal government of the country.

Syria was a stable, peaceful country before the US and Europe funded the Arab Spring garbage.

 

[renard_ruse]

Stop war mongering and aiding Gulf state dictatorships and allow Muslim refugees into the country. Good luck with that. Quite idealistic those libertarians.

Try take one of those quadrant tests for political leaning. Mention you smoke pot. Immediately puts you in the libertarian quadrant.

Lol. I got one of those little cards in high school. It rated me as "authoritarian" so I didn't join their party.

They are good on some things but dead wrong on others. National libertarianism might work, we must have a border and must put our own country and people first. Freedom should stop at our border. If other countries want freedom they have to choose it for themselves and fight for it themselves.

I listen to Ron Paul say brilliant things about foreign policy then he says the dumbest stuff about "free" trade. He seems completely oblivious to the fact that you can't ask Americans to compete with countries where workers make 50 cents a day. He never mentions that.

 

[renard_ruse]

So is dictatorship the preferred way to go? AJ has bellowed loud and long that it is....what say you?

Each society has to develop its own path based on its own culture, circumstances, history, traditions, and realities. One size might not fit all. I wish all countries would adopt democracy and freedom, but it might not work for all countries.

Stability is the first and foremost important thing before other luxuries like democracy. In the middle east, there have been very few democracies even in the modern era. Perhaps its just not a compatible system in that part of the world.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

You will have to ask GW the answer to that.

Care to explain to the class why Obama ran on the premise that Bush screwed up Iraq and then turned around and did the same thing three times?

 

[Christobal]

But what if it were done by a libertarian government to impose libertarian systems on other countries?

It's conceptually no different from neoconservatism.

That is inherently different from what libertarians believe. They are basically isolationists.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Most Libertarians are

Shut up and crawl back into your SALON echo chamber you commie shit bag, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Peace order and good government. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

You need peace, order and good government to achieve life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You folk have put the cart before the horse.

No, you don't.

You just need the government to maintain peace, then fuck off.

 

[BotanyBoy]

But what if it were done by a libertarian government to impose libertarian systems on other countries?

How do you impose a non-imposition KO?

It's conceptually no different from neoconservatism.

Other than the fact that it doesn't believe in nanny state nitpicking socialist control over a bunch of shit and interventionism into EVERYTHING.

 

[RobDownSouth]

No, its not. Its very simple. Stop funding the pretend "moderate" rebels and stop illegally trying to overthrow the Assad government which is the legal government of the country.

Syria was a stable, peaceful country before the US and Europe funded the Arab Spring garbage.

Yay dictatorship! Yay bumper sticker simple solutions to complex problems!

Care to explain to the class why Obama ran on the premise that Bush screwed up Iraq and then turned around and did the same thing three times?

Congressional intransigence at every step of the way for eight solid years.

Shut up and crawl back into your SALON echo chamber you commie shit bag, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

America would have been better off if you had died in the sandbox, you dog meat eating REMF.

 

[BotanyBoy]

America would have been better off if you had died in the sandbox, you dog meat eating REMF.

You're a POG, you don't get to call anyone REMF tubby.

Now shut up and sit down before you make yourself look stupid, yet again.